Should absentee ballots be illegal?

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

its 2020

 

the fact we can't vote online is an absolute joke. America will never allow it because then they can't commit voter fraud and voter suppression. 

 

just another reason why this countries government is stuck decades into the past 

Voting online at this point in time is an idiotic idea. It needs to be segmented and not subject to hacking. 

[Cinga]

5 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

its 2020

 

the fact we can't vote online is an absolute joke. America will never allow it because then they can't commit voter fraud and voter suppression. 

 

just another reason why this countries government is stuck decades into the past 

Why? Are you to lazy to get off your ass and go to a polling place? 

 

There are unprivileged countries that people are required to vote, many walking miles to do it and they have less problems or complaints than we do.  

[Penfield45]

5 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Why? Are you to lazy to get off your ass and go to a polling place? 

 

There are unprivileged countries that people are required to vote, many walking miles to do it and they have less problems or complaints than we do.  

 

those unprivileged countries don't have the biggest GDP in human history. 

 

electronic voting eliminates a lot of trouble, like republicans closing down polling locations in the south committing voter suppression for years, it has nothing to do with being lazy    

Edited June 29, 2020 by Penfield45

[Cinga]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

those unprivileged countries don't have the biggest GDP in human history. 

 

WTF does that have to do with it? 

[Penfield45]

1 minute ago, Cinga said:

 

WTF does that have to do with it? 

 

we have the capability to modernize our voting system...

 

why the hell do people have to stand in line for 6 hours to cast their vote in this day in age. makes zero sense. 

[Cinga]

1 minute ago, Penfield45 said:

 

we have the capability to modernize our voting system...

 

why the hell do people have to stand in line for 6 hours to cast their vote in this day in age. makes zero sense. 

I have voted in every election available to me since 1976 and have never, even before early voting, stood in line for more than about 45 minutes. And that includes polling places in NY, FL, PA, NC, CA, GA, and MD. If there are problems like that, I haven't seen them, and if so, probably an issue with that particular precinct so it's not "systemic".

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

we have the capability to modernize our voting system...

 

why the hell do people have to stand in line for 6 hours to cast their vote in this day in age. makes zero sense. 

Only way the PIGS can win, duh

[Cinga]

Just now, BillStime said:

Only way the PIGS can win, duh

 

Racist aren't you?

[BillStime]

Just now, Cinga said:

 

Racist aren't you?

nope.

[Hedge]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

CLOSE ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT WORK:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[B-Man]

With Debate Over Vote-By-Mail Heating Up the Postal Workers Union Makes a Bothersome Announcement

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

As States Consider Vote by Mail, Does Oregon’s System Stand Up to Scrutiny?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Supreme Court says Alabama does not have to loosen ballot restrictions because of virus
 

The Supreme Court on Thursday night said Alabama does not have to abide for now with lower-court decisions that made it easier to cast a mail-in ballot in a state that has seen a spike in coronavirus outbreaks.
 

The vote was 5 to 4, with the court’s conservatives in the majority. Neither the majority nor the four justices who noted their dissent — Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — supplied the reasoning for their votes in the short emergency order.
 

</snip>

[ALF]

Doctors: For all of our patients, we prescribe vote at home

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/opinions/doctors-covid-vote-at-home-martin-meese/index.html

 

I'll follow doctor's orders. The Nov election results will likely be delayed to count all the mail ins 

[B-Man]

 

 

Yeah.

 

Going to the polling place in a mask, and having the machine cleaned in between voters,  in 4 months from now, is almost suicide.

 

 

I was just on my way out to the store, but now I'm petrified.

 

 

 

Over the top, I know..................but so is this CNN piece....................so that's how I responded.

 

 

 

 

[ALF]

44 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Yeah.

 

Going to the polling place in a mask, and having the machine cleaned in between voters,  in 4 months from now, is almost suicide.

 

 

I was just on my way out to the store, but now I'm petrified.

 

 

 

Over the top, I know..................but so is this CNN piece....................so that's how I responded.

 

 

 

 

 

I just don't like long lines . The polling place I've gone to for over 35 years was closed for the June 23 primary , elderly poll workers called in not to show up due to covid. This is the first year me and family  are voting mail in just to avoid long line if it hits the fan in Nov.

[B-Man]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

I just don't like long lines . The polling place I've gone to for over 35 years was closed for the June 23 primary , elderly poll workers called in not to show up due to covid. This is the first year me and family  are voting mail in just to avoid long line if it hits the fan in Nov.

 

 

Yes, I remember your post from then, and I can appreciate your concern.

 

 However I put the sanctity of the election, making sure each person's vote is legally cast as more important than the inconvenience of a long wait in line, no different essentially than at a busy retail store.

 

Now, if the situation got a lot worse, which I don't believe it will, then I would reconsider.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

[Reality Check]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I just don't like long lines . The polling place I've gone to for over 35 years was closed for the June 23 primary , elderly poll workers called in not to show up due to covid. This is the first year me and family  are voting mail in just to avoid long line if it hits the fan in Nov.

 

 

Perhaps we should turn Burger Kings, Taco Bells, and Pizza Huts into polling stations for everyone's convenience?

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Imagine you won the PowerBall. Would you mail your ticket to collect your prize or take it in person? Now, ask yourself the same question about mail-in ballots...

[ALF]

13 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Imagine you won the PowerBall. Would you mail your ticket to collect your prize or take it in person? Now, ask yourself the same question about mail-in ballots...

 

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever , you mail in a ballot during a global pandemic.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever , you mail in a ballot during a global pandemic.

What if you won the Powerball during a global pandemic?

 

Are you saying that you are incapable of keeping yourself safe while casting your vote in person?

 

On the one hand people must wear masks and gloves while keeping their distance and washing their hands often to keep themselves and others safe. On the other hand those precautions are not good enough if it's for casting your vote. 

 

Mail-in ballots provide the easiest way to cook the system from the time they are mailed out to the time and method they are returned. 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever , you mail in a ballot during a global pandemic.

 

 

A "global pandemic" TEN months in..............

 

Precautions are standard now for everywhere.................including polling places.

 

 

 

[ALF]

 

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

A "global pandemic" TEN months in..............

 

Precautions are standard now for everywhere.................including polling places.

 

Why are people still going to ICU and dying " Ten months in"  if  "Precautions are standard now for everywhere."  

 

High risk people that include blacks , give them a break to vote by mail 

[Reality Check]

9 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

 

Why are people still going to ICU and dying " Ten months in"  if  "Precautions are standard now for everywhere."  

 

High risk people that include blacks , give them a break to vote by mail 

 

 

Black people are not high risk people...

 

...it's a bit racist to assume that...

 

...and why is it important that they believe that voting in person would be dangerous to them?

 

...why do you want black people living in fear?

 

 

[ALF]

8 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

 

 

Black people are not high risk people...

 

...it's a bit racist to assume that...

 

...and why is it important that they believe that voting in person would be dangerous to them?

 

...why do you want black people living in fear?

 

 

 

Overall, American death rates from COVID-19 data (aggregated across all states with available data and the District of Columbia) have reached new highs for all race groups:

 

1 in 1,500 Black Americans has died (or 65.8 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 2,300 Indigenous Americans has died (or 43.2 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,100 Pacific Islander Americans has died (or 32.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,200 Latino Americans has died (or 31.1 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,600 White Americans has died (or 28.5 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,700 Asian Americans has died (or 27.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

Black Americans continue to experience the highest overall mortality rates and the most widespread occurrence of disproportionate deaths. Since we began reporting these data, the Black mortality rate across the U.S. has never fallen below twice that of all other groups (excepting Indigenous Americans), revealing a durable pattern of disproportionality. 

 

The latest overall COVID-19 mortality rate for Black Americans is about 2.3 times as high as the rate for Whites and Asians, about twice as high as the Latino and Pacific Islander rate, and 1.5 times as high as the Indigenous rate.

 

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

Overall, American death rates from COVID-19 data (aggregated across all states with available data and the District of Columbia) have reached new highs for all race groups:

 

1 in 1,500 Black Americans has died (or 65.8 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 2,300 Indigenous Americans has died (or 43.2 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,100 Pacific Islander Americans has died (or 32.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,200 Latino Americans has died (or 31.1 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,600 White Americans has died (or 28.5 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,700 Asian Americans has died (or 27.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

Black Americans continue to experience the highest overall mortality rates and the most widespread occurrence of disproportionate deaths. Since we began reporting these data, the Black mortality rate across the U.S. has never fallen below twice that of all other groups (excepting Indigenous Americans), revealing a durable pattern of disproportionality. 

 

The latest overall COVID-19 mortality rate for Black Americans is about 2.3 times as high as the rate for Whites and Asians, about twice as high as the Latino and Pacific Islander rate, and 1.5 times as high as the Indigenous rate.

 

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

 

 

Are you saying that the Communist Chinese were racist enough to send a racist virus into our country?

 

Can the Communist Chinese be racist?

 

What are the comparative statistics of those people based on pre-existing conditions like heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and kidney disease based on the ethnic breakdown you just used?

 

You will see a direct relationship to these pre-existing conditions and morbidity...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dont-let-them-vaccinate-you-farrakhan-warns-africans-dr-fauci-trying-kill-them

 

What are your thoughts on what St. Farrakhan has to say?

 

 

 

[ALF]

41 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

 

Death rates are plummeting, to the point of not qualifying as a pandemic anymore. And we just saw five weeks of black people protesting largely without masks or protections without any jump in deaths. 

 

Might want to find a new narrative to cling to, this one disappears when exposed to sunlight/facts. 

 

This is true due to shutdowns  and masks protecting high risk especially nursing homes   that are necessary but are killing the economy. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by ALF

[3rdnlng]

46 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Overall, American death rates from COVID-19 data (aggregated across all states with available data and the District of Columbia) have reached new highs for all race groups:

 

1 in 1,500 Black Americans has died (or 65.8 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 2,300 Indigenous Americans has died (or 43.2 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,100 Pacific Islander Americans has died (or 32.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,200 Latino Americans has died (or 31.1 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,600 White Americans has died (or 28.5 deaths per 100,000)

 

1 in 3,700 Asian Americans has died (or 27.7 deaths per 100,000)

 

Black Americans continue to experience the highest overall mortality rates and the most widespread occurrence of disproportionate deaths. Since we began reporting these data, the Black mortality rate across the U.S. has never fallen below twice that of all other groups (excepting Indigenous Americans), revealing a durable pattern of disproportionality. 

 

The latest overall COVID-19 mortality rate for Black Americans is about 2.3 times as high as the rate for Whites and Asians, about twice as high as the Latino and Pacific Islander rate, and 1.5 times as high as the Indigenous rate.

 

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

Seriously? Have you taken into account the willingness or inability to distance themselves and follow other covid safety guidelines?

[ALF]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Seriously? Have you taken into account the willingness or inability to distance themselves and follow other covid safety guidelines?

 

Do you mean all the black essential workers ?

[ALF]

1 hour ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

 

You're ignoring the part where massive amounts of people (including a lot of black people) disregarded the shut down for weeks of protests. The death rate dropped, it did not rise. If people can gather en-mass to protest, they can gather to vote in person. 

 

Are you saying it's ok to have mass gatherings and the death rate will drop ?  Trump rallies are safe ?  Republicans should vote in person ?

 

End the shutdown ??

[ALF]

45 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

 

I go by facts and evidence. The death rate has remained low and steady despite five weeks of people blowing off the order (with no push back from the same "experts" who now are saying it's deadly to go out in public). We're still over 100 days out from the election, the numbers will drop even more by then. There's zero argument to be made that voting cannot be done in public. None. 

 

Not after the last month. 

 

What if the elderly poll workers don't show up because they are high risk and won't take the chance plus the flu season  ?

[Buffalo_Gal]

11 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

What if the elderly poll workers don't show up because they are high risk and won't take the chance plus the flu season  ?

Get younger poll workers.

 

 

[ALF]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Get younger poll workers.

 

 

 

Young people have jobs election day , most poll workers are retired so can be there.

[BillStime]

8 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

What if you won the Powerball during a global pandemic?

 

Are you saying that you are incapable of keeping yourself safe while casting your vote in person?

 

On the one hand people must wear masks and gloves while keeping their distance and washing their hands often to keep themselves and others safe. On the other hand those precautions are not good enough if it's for casting your vote. 

 

Mail-in ballots provide the easiest way to cook the system from the time they are mailed out to the time and method they are returned. 

Why is it ok for just about everyone in the White House to vote by mail?

[B-Man]

49 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

What if the elderly poll workers don't show up because they are high risk and won't take the chance plus the flu season  ?

 

 

You have posted this 5 - 10 times already.

 

There is no evidence that this will occur in November.

 

 

 

 

[Cinga]

Ruh-Roh.... Looks like the pneumonia/influenza/covid death rate has fallen to what would be considered "normal" according to the CDC.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

[3rdnlng]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Why is it ok for just about everyone in the White House to vote by mail?

Link?

[Melon]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Link?

 

My husband and I both vote by mail. He even filled out my ballot for me in 2016.