Motorin' Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: Not if you're using records that are not updated and refuse to verify the voter's identity. Even with faulty records, with the intent to hide ensure privacy, they still found voter fraud being committed. It indicates that it's just the tip of the iceberg. Also, you're using the same EXCUSE that it doesn't happen enough to matter, after your initial assumption that it doesn't happen at all was easily proven false. Answer honestly, how much FRAUD is an acceptable amount... to allow something as simple as asking for ID's? I never said it never happens. I asked for examples. That's you putting words into my mouth to make your case. There are, and should be processes put in place for deceased people to A. Have their state issued ID canceled and B. Removed from the voter register. You've provided no evidence of any concerted effort to fraudulently register dead people to vote. At best you've given examples of deceased people who fell through the cracks and were not removed from the voter roles. At the same time, I don't get the sense that a thorough vetting of these findings have taken place to ensure they are not examples of false positives. More than one person can have the same name after all, and in a state of 40 million people it would not surprise me if 100-200 people have the same name as a dead person. Your assertion the the democratic party has orchestrated anything is as yet 100% unfounded by a single shred of evidence beyond your imaginative conjecture. If evidence of voter fraud by state or party officials does exist, they should absolutely be prosecuted with the maximum force of law. You supply none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: With the vote by mail requirement, in order to vote for a dead person you'd have to have their driver's licenser, register them to vote at the address on the license, go online, request a ballot, input the correct social security number and driver license #, have the ballot sent to the previous address and then steal it from the mailbox. I thought ID for voting was racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Absentee ballots for those who qualify ......................yes. Mail in ballots for all...........................disaster Voter Fraud Map Page | The Heritage Foundation More Proof That Voter Fraud Is Real, and Bipartisan | The ... 10 Oregon voters plead guilty to voter fraud in 2016 presidential Why Do Democrats Pretend Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist ... Texas Ballot-Fraud Convictions Outpace Past Five Years ... Democratic chairman in NC voter fraud case steps down to ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, KRC said: I thought ID for voting was racist. So you don't really care how voting by mail actually works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: So you don't really care how voting by mail actually works? Of course they don't 29-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Of course they don't 29-9 @peaceout Amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: So you don't really care how voting by mail actually works? If it includes the ability of someone other than you to pick up your ballot at your house and fill it in for you on the way to the "post office"...like they do in CA? Not on your ridiculously obtuse life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: If it includes the ability of someone other than you to pick up your ballot at your house and fill it in for you on the way to the "post office"...like they do in CA? Not on your ridiculously obtuse life. Governor Little is urging voters to vote by mail next week. Are you going to the polls? Whoa - shocker! He is forcing voters to vote by mail. You should move to an even Trumpier state Edited May 13, 2020 by Warren Zevon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: If it includes the ability of someone other than you to pick up your ballot at your house and fill it in for you on the way to the "post office"...like they do in CA? Not on your ridiculously obtuse life. I have an obtuse life? Cool story. In Illinois, we have to go online each election and request a mail in ballot. We have to provide our social security #, drivers id #, and address. The we get an email saying that the ballot has been mailed to us and what day we should expect to receive it. After filling the ballot out, we sign it. Our signature can be checked against our signature on our license. Then we mail it back in the envelope provided. As soon as it's received, we get an email from the board of elections saying they received the ballot... If we never received it, we alert the board of elections. If we never received it, and they email us to say they received it from us, we alert the board of elections. I'm trying really hard to imagine a concerted effort to send tens of thousands of people out to stalk the mailman, (or are the mailmen in on it to?) and steal the ballot before I get home and get the mail... Are you also terrified when the dmv mails you your driver's license? In any event, it would be way more efficient to stuff the ballot at the poll where one or two cheaters could add hundreds or thousands of ballots to the mix rather than needing to procure thousands of ballots from thousands of touch points simultaneously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Motorin' said: I'm trying really hard to imagine a concerted effort to send tens of thousands of people out to stalk the mailman, (or are the mailmen in on it to?) and steal the ballot before I get home and get the mail... You can't imagine someone putting in the effort to steal ballots, when crazies are setting fires, and rioting whenever a conservative speaker is invited to a university. Not to mention the democrats are already trying to legalize ballot harvesting... because no one would dare change anyone's vote after it's been handed over to a party official to be delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, unbillievable said: You can't imagine someone putting in the effort to steal ballots, when crazies are setting fires, and rioting whenever a conservative speaker is invited to a university. Not to mention the democrats are already trying to legalize ballot harvesting... because no one would dare change anyone's vote after it's been handed over to a party official to be delivered. I'm much more concerned with the potential for electronic manipulation than ballot stealing. Also the idea of spastic antifa ravers engaging in a coordinating ballot stealing effort is kind of hilarious. Something tells me that wouldn't work out so well for them. But you didn't address the actual built in security measures. You get an email that the ballot has been sent. If it doesn't arrive, you are responsible for alerting the board of elections. If the elections board receives your ballot you get a second email that it has been received. That's when you get on the phone and tell them you didn't send in that ballot. The stolen ballot gets thrown out and they send you a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 11 hours ago, Motorin' said: So you don't really care how voting by mail actually works? You don't care about what I said, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, KRC said: You don't care about what I said, do you? Where did I say requiring ID's is racist? And was that a serious comment, or snark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Motorin' said: I'm trying really hard to imagine a concerted effort to send tens of thousands of people out to stalk the mailman, (or are the mailmen in on it to?) and steal the ballot before I get home and get the mail... This just tells me you have no understanding of how ballot harvesting works. It doesn't make you wrong so much as opinionated on something you don't understand. Here is a nice story from the San Francisco Chronicle, which you will agree is no right wing nutbag publication. Quote Few people noticed when Gov. Jerry Brown signed the changes in AB1921 into law two years ago. In the past, California allowed only relatives or people living in the same household to drop off mail ballots for another voter. The new law allowed anyone, even a paid political campaign worker, to collect and return ballots — “harvesting” them, in political slang. <snip> They felt the hit on Nov. 6 — and in the days after, as late-arriving Democratic votes were tabulated and one Republican candidate after another saw leads shrink and then evaporate. This week, a seventh GOP-held congressional seat flipped to the Democrats, leaving Republicans controlling a mere seven of California’s 53 House districts. Educate, then opine. It happens in CA and if it happened country-wide, it would be the end of responsible voting as we know it because both sides would do it to a fault. Edited May 13, 2020 by IDBillzFan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: This just tells me you have no understanding of how ballot harvesting works. It doesn't make you wrong so much as opinionated on something you don't understand. Here is a nice story from the San Francisco Chronicle, which you will agree is no right wing nutbag publication. Educate, then opine. It happens in CA and if it happened country-wide, it would be the end of responsible voting as we know it because both sides would do it to a fault. It would be like fan All Star voting: https://abc7ny.com/419345/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: It would be like fan All Star voting: https://abc7ny.com/419345/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Motorin' said: If the elections board receives your ballot you get a second email that it has been received. That's when you get on the phone and tell them you didn't send in that ballot. Oh, I get it... Wondering how many dead people will get on the phone to complain it wasn't them that sent in the ballot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, Cinga said: Oh, I get it... Wondering how many dead people will get on the phone to complain it wasn't them that sent in the ballot? Phantom Menace 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "California routinely counts large numbers of votes after election day, and mail ballots can arrive as late as Friday and still be counted as long as they were postmarked by Tuesday." Therefore it must be fraud. No other possible explanation, other than you guys are all bark and no bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Therefore it must be fraud. No other possible explanation, other than you guys are all bark and no bite. I live in CA. Do you? Were you here in 2018? If not, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I live in CA. Do you? Were you here in 2018? If not, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. But I thought @Motorin' was a Coronavirus/UFO/Climate Change/Election Process expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: This just tells me you have no understanding of how ballot harvesting works. It doesn't make you wrong so much as opinionated on something you don't understand. Here is a nice story from the San Francisco Chronicle, which you will agree is no right wing nutbag publication. Educate, then opine. It happens in CA and if it happened country-wide, it would be the end of responsible voting as we know it because both sides would do it to a fault. Nice article. Did you read it? I see no where in the definition of "harvesting" anything necessarily fraudulent. There is no charge of stealing ballots, changing ballots or inserting dead people's ballots. It sounds like a super aggressive way to turn out the vote. If you're going to claim that anyone took the signed and sealed ballots and altered them, you need this thing called evidence. 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I live in CA. Do you? Were you here in 2018? If not, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'd love to see if evidence that any votes were altered, stolen or otherwise fraudulent. And if they were, those people should absolutely go to jail. 2 minutes ago, Cinga said: But I thought @Motorin' was a Coronavirus/UFO/Climate Change/Election Process expert? Sick burn bro. Too bad I'm not an expert on satanic sex cults and the governments they control, you guys would totally accept me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I'd love to see if evidence that any votes were altered, stolen or otherwise fraudulent. And if they were, those people should absolutely go to jail. There was TONS of videos in 2018 of people going door to door harvesting ballots only to toss them or change them. The internet is forever. Take a spin on the wayback machine and take a gander. Ballot Harvesting (which is legal in CA) is legalized cheating in its implementation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: There was TONS of videos in 2018 of people going door to door harvesting ballots only to toss them or change them. The internet is forever. Take a spin on the wayback machine and take a gander. Ballot Harvesting (which is legal in CA) is legalized cheating in its implementation. Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Nice article. Did you read it? I see no where in the definition of "harvesting" anything necessarily fraudulent. There is no charge of stealing ballots, changing ballots or inserting dead people's ballots. I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 11:48 AM, B-Man said: JOHN FUND: Mail-In Ballots are a Recipe for Confusion, Coercion and Fraud. FTA “ballot harvesting,” whereby political operatives go door-to-door collecting ballots that they then deliver to election officials. All of these would dramatically reduce safeguards protecting election integrity. California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, signed an executive order requiring that every registered voter — including those listed as “inactive” — be mailed a ballot this November. This could be a disaster waiting to happen. Los Angeles County (population 10 million) has a registration rate of 112 percent of its adult citizen population. More than one out of every five L.A. County registrations probably belongs to a voter who has moved, or who is deceased or otherwise ineligible. Just last January, the public-interest law firm Judicial Watch reached a settlement agreement with the State of California and L.A. County officials to begin removing as many as 1.5 million inactive voters whose registrations may be invalid. Neither state nor county officials in California have been removing inactive voters from the rolls for 20 years, even though the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed last year, in Husted v. Randolph Institute, a case about Ohio’s voter-registration laws, that federal law “makes this removal mandatory.” Experts have long cautioned against wholesale use of mail ballots, which are cast outside the scrutiny of election officials. “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud,” was the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of state James Baker. That remains true today. In 2012, a Miami–Dade County Grand Jury issued a public report recommending that Florida change its law to prohibit “ballot harvesting” unless the ballots are “those of the voter and members of the voter’s immediate family.” “Once that ballot is out of the hands of the elector, we have no idea what happens to it,” they pointed out. “The possibilities are numerous and scary.” Indeed. In 2018, a political consultant named Leslie McCrae Dowless and seven others were indicted on charges of “scheming to illegally collect, fill in, forge and submit mail-in ballots” to benefit Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris, the Washington Post reported. The fraud was extensive enough that Harris’s 900-vote victory was invalidated by the courts and the race was rerun. (neither side can be trusted with this loose balloting) Texas has a long history of intimidation and coercion involving absentee ballots. The abuse of elderly voters is so pervasive that Omar Escobar, the Democratic district attorney of Starr County, Texas, says, “The time has come to consider an alternative to mail-in voting.” Escobar says it needs to be replaced with “something that can’t be hijacked.” But, hey, what do those folks know............... . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? Nope. 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones. Here is some ballot fraud going on right now in NJ. About 6 percent of the ballots have been set aside so far. That's enough to tilt almost any election under normal circumstances. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/hundreds-of-mail-in-votes-already-set-aside-due-to-paterson-voter-fraud-claims/2414171/ Quote More than 800 mail-in votes in one of New Jersey's largest cities have already been set aside, according to a county spokesperson, as an election is marred by allegations of voter fraud. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: You going to opt out of voting next week because you are anti-mail in ballot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. Is that actually true? Or an assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nope. They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue. Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 You. And if you learn the history of TSW, you'll understand the reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Is that actually true? Or an assumption? It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe Miner said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. When I've voted by mail, the signature on the envelope required me to affirm that I was the only person to mark and seal the ballot. It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Does federal election law stipulate whether or not it is legal to allow others to vote for you? Have the courts ruled on this? If it does exist in federal law, and I suspect that it does, that would superviene on California's election process, making it a crime to vote for someone else. I'm having a hard time tracking down in California's election law where it specifically allows for another to vote for you. If it doesn't exist, I would support federal legislation making it illegal to vote for someone else. If only the Republicans and Democrats could have worked on a bill that stipulated that it was illegal to mark someone else's ballot as vote by mail expands during coronavirus! Edited May 13, 2020 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, Taro T said: If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? And drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: And drugs. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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