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47 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I was going to mention in my first reply that I might lean towards Jennings in the 6th over Hodgins as well. Like Hodgins, he struggles big time to separate; he's an absolute load to tackle after the catch though which might give him a better chance at surviving in the NFL than Hodgins.

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

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10 hours ago, NewEra said:

You wouldn’t want Claypool in rd 3?

Of course you would.  Players like Easley, Ray Ray, Foster and Duke are hardly guaranteed a spot. It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class by not grabbing a quality wr who might fall a little. 

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8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Of course you would.  Players like Easley, Ray Ray, Foster and Duke are hardly guaranteed a spot. It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class by not grabbing a quality wr who might fall a little. 

I was just asking RyanC if he would. I don’t think he makes it to our 3rd rd pick, let alone our 4th.  

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12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

 

That seems like an extremely optimistic projection to me. Aside from PFF, I haven't personally seen anyone that's particularly high on him. I know Lance Zierlein, Todd McShay, and Matt Miller for example expect him to go undrafted. PFF has him as a 2nd round prospect though.

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13 hours ago, NewEra said:

You wouldn’t want Claypool in rd 3?

 

oh I'd take him in the 3rd.  I'd love him in the 4th, but if he's there in the 3rd, yeah, I'm grabbing him then.  

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13 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

One of the things Beane has accomplished in FA is to set us up to go BPA throughout the draft. I would not be at all surprised if we didn't take a WR at all. With Diggs as a solid #1, this team is fairly stacked at #2 WRs. As I observed in another thread, last season our first through third picks in the draft (Oliver, Ford, and Singletary) started week one, and our fourth (Knox) started week five. This year, we are likely going to be drafting for depth, only. It is unlikely that, barring injury, a single draft pick will start early in the season, unless we get really lucky at pick #54. If Hodgins is available to us in later rounds and is BPA, then sure, we grab him. But, at the moment, WR is less of a need than RB, LB, OT, Edge, or CB.

I disagree and agree.  Some people go overboard with the idea of "BPA".  If we have an all-pro starting center and a good backup,,, they say "the BPA is a center.  DRAFT HIM (and have him sit on the bench for 8 years).  It also implies that you just sit there passively, keep all your draft picks and ignore holes in your roster.  And if you ever draft for need, when then you HAVE VIOLATED THE DIGNITY OF SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME.   ..... Instead, he has used a combination of building the team with free agents and draft picks.  I think he looks at both how the draft is going to unfold AND what FA's are available, (and has the ones he wanted signed before the draft) AND THEN goes into the draft looking for specific players that he has targeted.  Yes, those player are at a specific position.  The draft is also used to CHEAPLY get the impact players who can be of all-pro calibre.  He traded up to get Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Knox, and Dawkins and took Milanio about 60 picks above where most draft publications thought he should go. ...  ... I guess I see him integrating the use of draft and FA's to improve the roster with FA and try to get difference makers rather than incremental improvements in the draft.

 

We to wide receivers, I expect a feeding frenzy on them and there will be teams that overdraft lower round WR because they get greedy and want to look smart. I expect Beane to use the lower picks for trade bait and to look for the damaged toys, who might be a diamond in the rough.  Vosen Joseph?  Some guy who got hurt his junior and senior year or was playing behind an established golden boy starter of the same graduating class.  (Remember that TT guy?) I really don't see  any rookie that we get in the 4th or 5th round as an improvement over our present 2rd string players. Rather than improving the 2nd and 3rd string backups, I think they will take moon shots in the 5th 6th and 7th round.

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5 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 still might take one in the 2nd or 3rd round as insurance against Brown leaving after next year...always got to be looking a year or two down the line...hopefully get a young guy now and let him develop so he is ready when Brown leaves or declines

Jauan Jennings might be nice add if we can get him in the mid rounds...

 

Absolutely.  Brown and Beasley both likely have two years left in Buffalo based on current contract and age.   The time to draft a starting WR for 2022 is now.

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If we're going rd 2

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On topic though, Devin Duvernay, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Tyrie Cleveland

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1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I disagree and agree.  Some people go overboard with the idea of "BPA".  If we have an all-pro starting center and a good backup,,, they say "the BPA is a center.  DRAFT HIM (and have him sit on the bench for 8 years).  It also implies that you just sit there passively, keep all your draft picks and ignore holes in your roster.  And if you ever draft for need, when then you HAVE VIOLATED THE DIGNITY OF SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME.   ..... Instead, he has used a combination of building the team with free agents and draft picks.  I think he looks at both how the draft is going to unfold AND what FA's are available, (and has the ones he wanted signed before the draft) AND THEN goes into the draft looking for specific players that he has targeted.  Yes, those player are at a specific position.  The draft is also used to CHEAPLY get the impact players who can be of all-pro calibre.  He traded up to get Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Knox, and Dawkins and took Milanio about 60 picks above where most draft publications thought he should go. ...  ... I guess I see him integrating the use of draft and FA's to improve the roster with FA and try to get difference makers rather than incremental improvements in the draft.

 

We to wide receivers, I expect a feeding frenzy on them and there will be teams that overdraft lower round WR because they get greedy and want to look smart. I expect Beane to use the lower picks for trade bait and to look for the damaged toys, who might be a diamond in the rough.  Vosen Joseph?  Some guy who got hurt his junior and senior year or was playing behind an established golden boy starter of the same graduating class.  (Remember that TT guy?) I really don't see  any rookie that we get in the 4th or 5th round as an improvement over our present 2rd string players. Rather than improving the 2nd and 3rd string backups, I think they will take moon shots in the 5th 6th and 7th round.

I'm not sure which part of my post you disagree with? Certainly (and Deane has said this, himself), the goal is to draft BPA within a position of need. My point really is that a) WR is no longer a pressing need (really, #2WR was never a pressing need), and b) likely all of our draft picks this season will be drafted as potential backups-- which if you think about, really opens up the scope of what would be considered "a position of need." 

 

All that being said, I stand by my assertion that if Hodgins is available in later rounds, he will not supplant another player who ranks higher on their board, likely even if that player is a center.

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Quez Watkins is my late round guy. He plays almost just like Stefon Diggsmaybe a tad bit faster but not as good a route runner. He is going to be a steal

 

James Proche is a late round stud as well. 

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8 hours ago, njbuff said:

Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon State 6'4" 210, 2020 playing age: 22

 

Watch the catch at 5:01.

 

 

 

 

He is so under the radar and I think he is going to be a very valuable player for the team that chooses him

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2 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Absolutely.  Brown and Beasley both likely have two years left in Buffalo based on current contract and age.   The time to draft a starting WR for 2022 is now.

Agree 100% !!  I still think we go RB and WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and possibly another WR in later rounds 

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On 3/26/2020 at 11:47 AM, matter2003 said:

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

He's also an outstanding blocker.

 

Watch "Matt Waldman's RSP Film Room No.195 WR Jauan Jennings (Tennessee)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/bJCj-p53lNY

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On 3/25/2020 at 10:51 PM, ExWNYer said:

 

They got their 'gadget guy' when they re-signed Isaiah McKenzie.

my thought as well.
but if he is BPA , sure !

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On 3/26/2020 at 12:09 PM, DCOrange said:

I'd be interested in picking Hodgins up in like the 6th round or something like that. Hands/ball skills are obviously very good, but he didn't test very well and that shows up big time in his tape. He has a really hard time getting any separation. I'm not really convinced he can stick on an NFL roster. If we want a WR in the 4th-5th round I think the value is in getting another guy that's kinda similar to the guys we already have (which may or may not be a bad thing). Bryan Edwards would be a more unique fit for us and he might be available in that range. Beyond him though, I'd be looking at Devin Duverney, John Hightower, James Proche, and Kalija Lipscomb. Hightower is a deep threat while the other 3 are underneath guys (Duverney winning with speed and the other two just winning with precision).

 

Edit: Adding this video of Hodgins. Even with his push-offs he isn't generating much separation, and look at the second play for an example of how hard of a time he can have. I'm just not really sure where he wins in the NFL; doesn't separate very well underneath, struggles to beat press coverage, and struggles to beat guys deep. Seems like the best way he might be able to contribute is purely backshoulder fade type passes? I don't know, not sure I see him as a potential upgrade over Duke and I'm not sure Duke is even good enough to make the team this year.

 

 

I am with you. Like him but he is a 6th / 7th / priority UDFA guy. 

 

The guy I am looking at in rounds 4 and 5 is Bryan Edwards out of South Carolina. He has had horrible luck with injuries this offseason missing the Senior Bowl and then the Combine so now with the virus it is likely he doesn't get to work out for teams. I think he is a late day 2 sort of talent but because of the injuries and a strong receiver class I can see him slipping to to round 4 or even 5. I think he is a steal at that point. 

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On 3/26/2020 at 7:14 PM, Putin said:

Agree 100% !!  I still think we go RB and WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and possibly another WR in later rounds 

i not sure this is how they lay down their cards. But it would be to my liking. if the are getting a WR than can a spot from what we currently have. and one who is " moonshot " later perhaps.

 But RB has to be in play. One who gets on the field with Singletary this year and again end of rounds for PS to develop.
If they can develop Hodgins and he is there he might be a fine pick up as role player.

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This is a good year to draft a WR. Have to take advantage of that. Good ones will be in the 2nd or 3rd. After that i don't know. Dont forget John Brown and Beasley are 30 years old. Plus no edge rusher worth it in the 2nd. Weak group

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15 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

WGR was saying we like Hodgins a couple months ago. Kid looks a little stiff but the hands are niiiiiice. 

I can’t remember for sure but I feel like someone around here mentioned Matt Miller saying we liked him awhile back. Might be where WGR was getting that from.

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