Lurker Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, K-9 said: I was referring specifically to not seeing him appear alongside the other members of the Covid-19 task force. Lol! Well, you're right about Redfield and the CDC (Thanks, Obama!)... https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/cdc-top-us-public-health-agency-is-sidelined-during-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mike-pences-office-abruptly-cancels-cdc-officials-interview-with-yahoo-finance-201712184.html EDIT: And after thinking about it some more, I think you're right about Fauci as well. He upstaged Trump at the daily rally (Opps! I mean press conference) last week and he hasn't been seen there since. Edited March 20, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Zero warning. People will not be able to pick up checks. Terrible for cashflow. Especially for shared office workers. The news headline says 8pm tonight. It's midnight tomorrow. Same difference though. List of life sustaining businesses. 20200319 Life Sustaining Business | Transport | Agriculturehttps://www.scribd.com/document/452416026/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business Looks like I'm still grinding. Gotta keep Teef supplied with equipment. Edited March 19, 2020 by RaoulDuke79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1240651109108199424 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Heck, my refi is scheduled to close on Monday, so i have to go to the closing attorney's office to sign papers. I'm bringing my own pen tho! WTF? Even before this happened i am shocked this is still done in person... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburt2625 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) These for profit companies like I work for dont care at all. We were told to ignore this and we are open as usual. I work in manufacturing. I'm damned if I do and damned if I dont. Edited March 19, 2020 by jburt2625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Steptide said: I don't know what to think. Part of me thinks two weeks from now everything will be back to normal, and another part of me thinks 2 weeks from now nobody will be allowed to leave their house The latter. It's the epidemic curve. We haven't even started to level out yet, and I don't see that we're doing enough to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The latter. It's the epidemic curve. We haven't even started to level out yet, and I don't see that we're doing enough to get there. In 2 weeks, we will still be climbing the curve nationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sundancer said: In 2 weeks, we will still be climbing the curve nationally. If we shut down more fiercely right now, there is a chance that the real cases will stop climbing, and in two weeks we will level off or start to decline in new positive test results. Chart is from this article, which I recommend. In this chart, the blue bars represent actual cases (first appearance of symptoms in cases that may have been diagnosed later) The yellow bars represent diagnosed cases. Click to embiggen. What you can see is that two weeks after a hard shutdown, the true new cases had plummeted AND the positive test results were trending down. But then, before things could be opened up again, procedures for testing, contact tracing, and supervised quarantine had to be put in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundancer Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If we shut down more fiercely right now, there is a chance that the real cases will stop climbing, and in two weeks we will level off or start to decline in new positive test results. In this chart, the blue bars represent actual cases (first appearance of symptoms in cases that may have been diagnosed later) The yellow bars represent diagnosed cases. Click to embiggen. What you can see is that two weeks after a hard shutdown, the true new cases had plummeted AND the positive test results were trending down. But then, before things could be opened up again, procedures for testing, contact tracing, and supervised quarantine had to be put in place. Fantastic chart. This makes sense in view of Bill Gates's suggestion that the shutdown has to last 10 weeks and be widespread to get the caseload down to near 0. And then you re-open with massive testing and (of course by then) awareness because it's easy to just fall back into the exponential growth trap. 10 weeks only works if people abide by it. And even with this, we will likely see more waves as is predicted in the Imperial College report. God knows when we will allow people back from other countries. A looooooooooooooong time thereafter. Edited March 19, 2020 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If we shut down more fiercely right now, there is a chance that the real cases will stop climbing, and in two weeks we will level off or start to decline in new positive test results. Chart is from this article, which I recommend. In this chart, the blue bars represent actual cases (first appearance of symptoms in cases that may have been diagnosed later) The yellow bars represent diagnosed cases. Click to embiggen. What you can see is that two weeks after a hard shutdown, the true new cases had plummeted AND the positive test results were trending down. But then, before things could be opened up again, procedures for testing, contact tracing, and supervised quarantine had to be put in place. quick question here... do you feel that numbers out of China are accurate? Edited March 19, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Fantastic chart. This makes sense in view of Bill Gates's suggestion that the shutdown has to last 10 weeks and be widespread to get the caseload down to near 0. And then you re-open with massive testing and (of course by then) awareness because it's easy to just fall back into the exponential growth trap. 10 weeks only works if people abide by it. And even with this, we will likely see more waves as is predicted in the Imperial College report. God knows when we will allow people back from other countries. A looooooooooooooong time thereafter. I don't think it needs to be quite 10 weeks, but to shorten it requires what China is doing - they are testing EVERYONE with fever, and they have devoted huge resources to contact tracing in a very boots-on-the-ground way combined with "Big Data" - they are harvesting everyone's cell phone tracking data to determine who might have been in contact with a diagnosed covid-19 case. Can read about the contact tracing here, I only have indirect sources on the "big data" harvest though it's referenced here (which is a cool article in its own right). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Healthcare workers today are like the firefighter and police heroes of 9/11. They put themselves at risk and push themselves to their limits to save others. The least we can do is play by the rules and hunker down. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Foxx said: quick question here... do you feel that numbers out of China are accurate? Plus/minus, yes I do - at least as of a few weeks ago. They let a big international commission into the country and let them spend two weeks digging into what they'd done. I don't know if I trust "no new cases". The key point is that it's not that China just suddenly announced the case counts diminished. They have been invading everyone's privacy BIG TIME, and putting huge resources into contact tracing and aggressive testing. They are now quarantining all incoming foreigners for 14 days - they stick you in a hotel room and bring you a meal 2x a day and there you stay!!! I also think there is enough contact with people who have family in China and work in US that if something were massively discordant it would come out. I know a physician working Shenzen, for example, she communicates to relatives and friends in US regularly. I don't like it that China is throwing out some US journalists, though, even if it's retaliatory. Another key point is that Democratic countries like Taiwan and Singapore that instituted similar measures never saw an epidemic flare from the cases they got, and S. Korea (also similar meaures) seems to have it under control. So there is reason to believe if China is doing similar, they will see similar results. 5 minutes ago, jburt2625 said: Not at all. All those videos from months ago with body bags everywhere are evidence enough for me at least. Just my 2 pennies Please do not make unsourced or unsubstantiated statements. And the videos you post must be from legit sources. If they reak of conspiracy take 'em to PPP. But I mean, they had 3,130 deaths in Hubei province, it must have overwhelmed the usual mortuary services so the bodies must have gone somewhere. You will probably see that in Italy and maybe here too, in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: That's how I feel. One one hand I need to keep some type of normalcy sonthe kids dont freakout, on the other hand I rather just fall asleep for a month. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst is what I've been doing. We all just need to stay home and take a dose of this.... Hibernol Edited March 20, 2020 by The Avenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Wheres Fauci been last two days? Huh??? Every single day this week that the task force has held their daily presser at the White House, he has been there, and has stepped to the podium to say a few words.. I've seen it and/or heard it in my vehicle on my Sirius feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Huh??? Every single day this week that the task force has held their daily presser at the White House, he has been there, and has stepped to the podium to say a few words.. I've seen it and/or heard it in my vehicle on my Sirius feed. Not the last two you aint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Seems like we're getting slightly worse compared to the crowd, including the UK where they have (until very recently) taken the stance of '***** social distancing'. Considering we're also still way behind on testing, I assume this graph is only going to get much worse. Also concerning that no western country has yet hit the 'flattening'. btw, how is this not rampant in places with huge, poor, densely populated cities like India and Mexico? Or are those people just getting it in droves and no one cares enough to track it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, KD in CA said: btw, how is this not rampant in places with huge, poor, densely populated cities like India and Mexico? Or LA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Seems like we're getting slightly worse compared to the crowd, including the UK where they have (until very recently) taken the stance of '***** social distancing'. Considering we're also still way behind on testing, I assume this graph is only going to get much worse. Also concerning that no western country has yet hit the 'flattening'. btw, how is this not rampant in places with huge, poor, densely populated cities like India and Mexico? Or are those people just getting it in droves and no one cares enough to track it? Testing I guarantee Africa is lousy w/ coronavirus what with massive Chinese investment and influence but healthcare isn’t up to testing so confirmed numbers are low 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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