The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

Agree with this about better treatments and that’s why we have much better outcomes but Remdesivir is not that widely available to call it normal. Also Trump hit medical care  earlier than you and me would have. 

 

 

My Uncle was given Remdesivir for I think over 5 days during his hospital stay in Florida.  

 

Was in hospital about a week plus.  Recovered and released.  He is 60 and has real bad hypertension.  Had a minor stroke about 5 years ago.

 

 

We should be full open.  

[TBBills]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

From the comments:
 

 

Wow you need to be stopped b.c you are out of control.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED. BELIVE IN SCIENCE. 

 

CDC reverses again, now says Covid-19 is ‘sometimes’ airborne. 

 

“For the third time in less than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has altered its guidance on how Covid-19 spreads. The agency said Monday that airborne transmission is possible, but that it’s not the most common way the virus travels from person to person — a position that was published and then removed from its website in September.”

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED. BELIVE IN SCIENCE. 

 

CDC reverses again, now says Covid-19 is ‘sometimes’ airborne. 

 

“For the third time in less than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has altered its guidance on how Covid-19 spreads. The agency said Monday that airborne transmission is possible, but that it’s not the most common way the virus travels from person to person — a position that was published and then removed from its website in September.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casedemic is over.  Been over for months.  

 

Deaths declining is a sign of improving treatments and very possibly a virus that has mutated into something weaker then it was.  

 

100K dead (allegedly by May 24).  2 months.

 

100K dead since then.  4 months.  

 

Nothing to see here tho.  Just a virus that has become on par with 1957 and 1969.  

[Big Blitz]

 

[SoCal Deek]

I’m looking forward to seeing the numbers tomorrow. As of today Florida reported about 1/10th the new cases that they were at back when the media were losing their minds. The media clown car has packed up the tent and moved on in search of more doomsday click bait. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

MORE LIKE THIS, PLEASE: 

 

DOJ Blasts D.C. Mayor for ‘Silencing’ Churches: ‘There Is No Pandemic Exception to the Constitution.’

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Actual scientists following actual science. Imagine that.

 

Focused Protection.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

 

 

Authors credentials (you know real scientists who follow real science):

 

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

 

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

 

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Half the freaking deaths April thru May.  Deaths have plummeted.  

 

Hospitalizations stable and down 20K from its peak in May.  

 

 

This is not a pandemic.  Is there a virus out there that could possibly kill a 87 year old male with hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes?  Yes.  That man would be in trouble.  

 

And now the CDC is saying "yea it's not really airborne kinda sorta."  Joke.  

 

Time to move on.  

[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Half the freaking deaths April thru May.  Deaths have plummeted.  

 

Hospitalizations stable and down 20K from its peak in May.  

 

 

This is not a pandemic.  Is there a virus out there that could possibly kill a 87 year old male with hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes?  Yes.  That man would be in trouble.  

 

And now the CDC is saying "yea it's not really airborne kinda sorta."  Joke.  

 

Time to move on.  

 

This absolutely IS a pandemic. There is no debate about that. Whether the measures we are currently employing to combat the pandemic are proper or not is certainly debatable.

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Half the freaking deaths April thru May.  Deaths have plummeted.  

 

Hospitalizations stable and down 20K from its peak in May.  

 

 

This is not a pandemic.  Is there a virus out there that could possibly kill a 87 year old male with hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes?  Yes.  That man would be in trouble.  

 

And now the CDC is saying "yea it's not really airborne kinda sorta."  Joke.  

 

Time to move on.  

  

 

The most recent weeks always lag so they are higher than this shows, but we are still at pandemic levels. It's a math thing. 

 

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by shoshin

[BillsFanNC]

The 2020 data on cardiovascular disease deaths will be interesting.  A disease that lays waste to 600k Americans year after year like clockwork could be significantly higher in 2020.

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, shoshin said:

  

 

The most recent weeks always lag so they are higher than this shows, but we are still at pandemic levels. It's a math thing. 

 

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

 

 

Yep.

 

Since May just a bit above the June-Sept #s from 2019.  And Georgia and the Ozarks have been open since April.  

 

And why is that "threshold" number lower in Sept 2020 vs Sept 2019

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yep.

 

Since May just a bit above the June-Sept #s from 2019.  And Georgia and the Ozarks have been open since April.  

 

And why is that "threshold" number lower in Sept 2020 vs Sept 2019

 

Sept 7 2019 expected: 52,296

Sep 5, 2020 expected 51,992

 

Difference: ~300

 

Not sure why it changes but it does (weather, behavior?). 300 wouldn't make this a non-pandemic since we've been over the excess limit by 7-10K+ most weeks since the spring. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[TBBills]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/06/trump-kills-stimulus-talks/

 

This isn't good, on top of him lying about the economy being good when it isn't he doesn't want any stimulus passed. Now he is squeezing the American people to try and force them to vote for him. It is disgusting he lies about the economy even when his own republicans say the economy is struggling. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Big Blitz]

7 hours ago, TBBills said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/06/trump-kills-stimulus-talks/

 

This isn't good, on top of him lying about the economy being good when it isn't he doesn't want any stimulus passed. Now he is squeezing the American people to try and force them to vote for him. It is disgusting he lies about the economy even when his own republicans say the economy is struggling. 

 

 

Then if they pass it "he's bribing the voters."

 

J-O-K-E

 

Trump did the right thing here that showed courage lesser people would cave and would have bribed.....I mean stimulated you.  

[shoshin]

Deaths way down. Really Good for a Tuesday. 
 

Hospitalizations up 11 days in a row. Hospitalizations up 20% in PA off their low a month ago. Still manageable but I’d like that trend to stop. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

Deaths way down. Really Good for a Tuesday. 
 

Hospitalizations up 11 days in a row. Hospitalizations up 20% in PA off their low a month ago. Still manageable but I’d like that trend to stop. 

How long are you going to keep this up? Forever? The pandemic has stabilized for months since the original breakout in the NY metro area. Our mask wearing, shut down warning approach simply isn’t working! All it’s doing is perpetuating the infection rate and elongating the curve.

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

How long are you going to keep this up? Forever? The pandemic has stabilized for months since the original breakout in the NY metro area. Our mask wearing, shut down warning approach simply isn’t working! All it’s doing is perpetuating the infection rate and elongating the curve.

Keep what up?

 

There’s a good downwards trend mostly and we have tons of hospital capacity but it’s noteworthy that there is a trend shift after so long in the right direction. 
 

There isn’t one thing that should have been closed since April 1 (and at that only in a few metro areas like NYC) and only older folks and larger gatherings should be careful and avoided, but not at all regulated. We should be wide open everywhere. 
 

So what do you want me to not “keep up?”

Edited October 7, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

Keep what up?

 

There’s a good downwards trend mostly and we have tons of hospital capacity. 
 

There isn’t one thing that should have been closed since April 1 (and at that only in a few metro areas like NYC) and only older folks and larger gatherings should be careful and avoided, but not at all regulated. 
 

So what do you want me to not “keep up?”

Thanks....you and I agree then that our national approach has been all wrong. Unless we change our strategy, and open things up (while protecting the elderly) the daily score keeping is like watching a leaky row boat slowly fill up with water. Eventually you’re all gonna get wet! 

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks....you and I agree then that our national approach has been all wrong. Unless we change our strategy, and open things up (while protecting the elderly) the daily score keeping is like watching a leaky row boat slowly fill up with water. Eventually you’re all gonna get wet! 

Yep I’ve been saying let’s be open since late March, though admittedly back then I was more concerned about the trajectory of this thing. The crap we are doing now with mandatory and voluntary closures is terrible. That doesn’t mean I’m back to the rave scene but I’m meeting clients who are willing, eating out where possible, and living life while following and respecting all the rules and requests of others. 
 

I’m a season ticket holder. How pissed am I to be watching this year from the couch?!?
 

Edited October 7, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Yep I’ve been saying let’s be open since late March, though admittedly back then I was more concerned about the trajectory of this thing. The crap we are doing now with mandatory and voluntary closures is terrible. That doesn’t mean I’m back to the rave scene but I’m meeting clients who are willing, eating out where possible, and living life while following and respecting all the rules and requests of others. 

Once again we agree. There are people out everywhere in Southern California. Restaurants are all open, albeit outside. Stores are busy. If this is a pandemic, it’s a really odd one! Let’s open up and deal with it. We know how to do it now.

[Kemp]

 

[Chef Jim]

16 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Between bites.  I take it he’s never seen me eat. 

[B-Man]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good God..........the madness grows!

 

 

[Gary M]

only 53 million more cases of kung flu to equal the number of cases of H1N1

Edited October 7, 2020 by Gary M

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[B-Man]

 

 

Over 4,000 Doctors, Public Health Professionals Sign “Great Barrington Declaration,” Urging End to COVID-Restrictions

by Leslie Eastman

 

Original Article

 

Over 40,000 people, including over 4,000 epidemiologists, doctors, and public health professionals from around the world, have signed the “Great Barrington Declaration” that urges nations to return to normal life as the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic continues. “Called the Great Barrington Declaration, the group issued a letter saying “as infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection. Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing

 

 

 

 

 

The prolonged lockdown imposes devastating short and long-term public health problems and waiting until a vaccine becomes available “will cause irreparable damage,” particularly for the underprivileged. The goal is to reach herd immunity through efforts to minimize mortality and social harm—balancing risks and benefits--and is being called “Focused Protection.”

 

 

 

 

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