The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Reality Check]

36 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

 

Didn't realize you really thought Bill Gates was engineering the pandemic. I knew some Trumpsters believed it, though.

Now you are projecting. Why are you afraid to take the vaccines? At the very least make sure your children get vaccinated. Don't let your own bad decisions hurt your children's future. I personally guarantee that nothing will go wrong.? You lack faith. I will pray for you.

[plenzmd1]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

China did themselves no favors. They could have come out and said "we bad" blamed it on a bat (while the whole world knew they were lying) but taken ownership with a "mistakes happen." Instead of saving face, they look worse than a five year old boy blaming his older sister for breaking the window while a pile of rocks sits at his feet.

They may be able to pay the "msm" to lie for them and blame the Wuhan Virus on Canada or the United States, but the whole world knows it was China, and most importantly, the leadership of the countries that were most impacted know it was China.

Does that mean China pays a price? We will see. It may just mean they have to pay more payola to world leaders and "msm." Or, it means they really will pay an economic price. Certainly no one in their right mind could ever believe another word that comes out of Beijing (if they ever did to being with).

 

We talking Trump or China?

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

For some of those (heart attacks and strokes), they are brought on by activity and stress. Other things too. Those are the deaths that have been decreasing. 

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

We talking Trump or China?

Huh?

[Hedge]

35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So we've moved from the virus started in:

 

Bats

to

Wet markets

to

Europe...

 

Don’t forget the pangolins. They would never forget you.

So sad ? 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Huh?

Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. 

Don't make me hate you.

 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Don't make me hate you.

 

Just read that post of yours, substitute Trump for China... tell me where I am wrong?

[shoshin]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

 

Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack.  

 

Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. 

[Kemp]

15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

[plenzmd1]

32 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No. Hospitals are seeing much fewer deaths from heart disease complications and strokes while people sit at home. 

 

I have not seen the same evidence from cancer deaths decreasing. 

 

Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months

[Nanker]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months

I believe we need clinical trials to study that. 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

 

The irony in this statement is so high it broke the internet. 

[billsfan1959]

17 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack.  

 

Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. 

 

I have read plenty of articles and I have listened to experts. If you want to believe that the absence of a decrease in all other deaths because of a lockdown means Covid deaths are being underreported, be my guest. The overwhelming majority of information does not support that conclusion.

 

16 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Boatdrinks]

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

[Nanker]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

We're all gonna die from the Wuhan Virus. Trust me. It may take eighty or ninety years, but the cause of death will be Wuhan Virus, or Wuhan Virus-related. 

[shoshin]

18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

[3rdnlng]

The hospitals are hurting for money due to the shutdown of elective surgeries. After all, that is their money tree that supports the normal Medicare/Medicaid patients that they don't make a profit on. With the feds giving out a standard $13,000 for each Covid-19 death and a cool $39,000 if they were on a ventilator I can see where the cause of death is fudged. As it stands, every possible death that can be attributed to the virus is going to be done so. Therefore the death totals for Covid-19 are going to be magnified. 

[Kemp]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

 

That's logic.

 

Logic is frowned upon.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

I am in complete agreement that the virus will continue to be present and would expect case counts to go up. 

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

That's logic.

 

Logic is frowned upon.

It actually what many of us have been saying all along.... you must’ve missed it. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

Because how dare you ! We must all be terrified, shut into our homes and zooming. At least until the November election, before which experts will agree nothing is safe.

[3rdnlng]

56 minutes ago, Nanker said:

I believe we need clinical trials to study that. 

I believe he should be in the control group.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

It is, and always has been, about control. That is the ultimate goal of the left, absolute control over every aspect of our lives.

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

It is, and always has been, about control. That is the ultimate goal of the left, absolute control over every aspect of our lives.

Well it used to be far more veiled and nuanced. Covid 19 brought it all out in the open on full display. Frightening stuff for sure! Hard to fathom how we got here with so many people so willing to give away EVERY bit of their freedom so quickly, so blindly, and without questioning the messengers. Just like the fall of the Soviet Union...all of this happened with firing a single shot. 

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well it used to be far more veiled and nuanced. Covid 19 brought it all out in the open on full display. Frightening stuff for sure! Hard to fathom how we got here with so many people so willing to give away EVERY bit of their freedom so quickly, so blindly, and without questioning the messengers. Just like the fall of the Soviet Union...all of this happened with firing a single shot. 

 

One minor quibble: Trump winning brought it all out on the open and on full display. The corona virus only gave them better PR: "do this or people die."

 

Fear is always the biggest stick.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

One minor quibble: Trump winning brought it all out on the open and on full display. The corona virus only gave them better PR: "do this or people die."

 

Fear is always the biggest stick.

I’ll quibble back. Hillary was NOT a big government overlord candidate. She was ‘what’s in it for me Democrat’s. This latest chapter is new. We have mounted police facing down US citizens with bathing suits and lawn chairs just trying to get to a beach on a sunny afternoon in Orange County California. What’s going on here? This is gonna get ugly when the first person gets hurt. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

I’ll quibble back. Hillary was NOT a big government overlord candidate. She was ‘what’s in it for me Democrat’s. This latest chapter is new. We have mounted police facing down US citizens with bathing suits and lawn chairs just trying to get to a beach on a sunny afternoon in Orange County California. What’s going on here? This is gonna get ugly when the first person gets hurt. 

 

Hillary was the big government overlord candidate though. Every policy she pushed in 2016 was designed around that central theme. From expanding the powers of the IC over the people, to expanding our military footprint in several additional theaters, to supporting prog-fascism in all its glory -- this was always where she wanted to go. 

 

Because she's not the puppet master. She's another puppet.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Hillary was the big government overlord candidate though. Every policy she pushed in 2016 was designed around that central theme. From expanding the powers of the IC over the people, to expanding our military footprint in several additional theaters, to supporting prog-fascism in all its glory -- this was always where she wanted to go. 

 

Because she's not the puppet master. She's another puppet.

There we agree....Hillary was and still is a barely awake TOOL.  Her only agenda is the one that starts and ends with her. Just like her husband. Biden isn’t even that awake.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There we agree....Hillary was and still is a barely awake TOOL.  Her only agenda is the one that starts and ends with her. Just like her husband. Biden isn’t even that awake.

I think she is more awake than you think. Her cognitive abilities have never been in question, but her physical state is a different matter. Her lucidity,  combined with her tyrannical tendencies and her understanding of and unbelievable ability to get away with murder makes her one of the most dangerous individuals on planet earth.

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There we agree....Hillary was and still is a barely awake TOOL.  Her only agenda is the one that starts and ends with her. Just like her husband. Biden isn’t even that awake.

Horseshit. Biden is every bit as woke as his record player. 

[Justice]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Even this twit gets it. 
 

 

Big words coming from his backyard. Now say that ***** surrounded by a ton of people. Then I’ll be impressed. 

[Nanker]

21 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Horseshit. Biden is every bit as woke as his record player.  

Yes. Every bit. 
 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Just read that post of yours, substitute Trump for China... tell me where I am wrong?

You are wrong. ?

[plenzmd1]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You are wrong. ?

well, you have cooties..so I win!

[BillStime]

Trump’s Lethal Injections

 

 

[meazza]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

Big words coming from his backyard. Now say that ***** surrounded by a ton of people. Then I’ll be impressed. 

Pretty sure that bill is still ordering hookers by the truckload to help him get through this:

[Kemp]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

[Reality Check]

7 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

 

[Uncle Joe]

4 hours ago, meazza said:

I thought he was a she.

LolaZtime?