The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[GG]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

 

Bottom line is that one is acting for the good, the other is not.  

 

Tens of millions of Germans thought they were acting for the good as well, because the government told them they were acting for the social good of ridding their society of disease riddled parasites.

[daz28]

Just now, GG said:

 

Tens of millions of Germans thought they were acting for the good as well, because the government told them they were acting for the social good of ridding their society of disease riddled parasites.

Isn't the government literally trying to get rid of disease carrying parasites?  How can that be a bad thing?

[GG]

Just now, daz28 said:

Isn't the government literally trying to get rid of disease carrying parasites?  How can that be a bad thing?

 

Yes, that's how the Jews were described as well.

[3rdnlng]

13 hours ago, Party Before Country said:

It's just the name of a good song.  Don't read into it so much.

Reading through the last couple of pages or so it seems apparent that everyone, including the bleeding heart SJW's, have taken Trump's virus team's advice and are embracing it. It's good to see you all praising Trump's leadership and direction against this scourge. It's really nice and heartwarming to see everyone getting behind our president to the extent that I'm almost believing that even the Lefties who previously have bashed Trump over everything, have now realized who our real leader is and that his competence has appeared to save the day for our country. Thank you libs for insisting that everyone follows the path that Trump has set forth. 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Reading through the last couple of pages or so it seems apparent that everyone, including the bleeding heart SJW's, have taken Trump's virus team's advice and are embracing it. It's good to see you all praising Trump's leadership and direction against this scourge. It's really nice and heartwarming to see everyone getting behind our president to the extent that I'm almost believing that even the Lefties who previously have bashed Trump over everything, have now realized who our real leader is and that his competence has appeared to save the day for our country. Thank you libs for insisting that everyone follows the path that Trump has set forth. 

 

Yes

 

Reagan was my hero and Trump is his clone. Praise be the the father, the son, and the holy Trump. Amen.

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Isn't the government literally trying to get rid of disease carrying parasites?  How can that be a bad thing?

You forgot to mention their control of all money and their exploitation of anyone that is blonde haired and blue eyed.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

 

Dude.  Read what you just wrote.  Not what you think you wrote, but what you wrote.  (And this being the follow up to your saying you would report the Gestapo (government run) to the media (government run) and expect that would have be effective in stopping the extermination of Jews.)

 

Now might be a good time to step away from the keyboard for a bit.

It didn't happen by a flick of the switch.  They started the Jew hate long before they had complete power.  Unfortunately, enough people believed/followed the supreme leader no matter what he said or did.  

[The Poojer]

thank you for saying this...people are looking at the percentages and claiming that Trump was wrong....you nailed it.  That and a study of 365 is hardly a "statistically viable" study

 

14 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

One would think that only the more seriously ill are being given HCQ. The people that are not seriously ill or have no symptoms to be included in this equation is ludicrous. 

[meazza]

13 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yes, that's how the Jews were described as well.

 

Too easy.

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Yes

 

Reagan was my hero and Trump is almost his clone. Praise be the the father, the son, and the holy Trump. Amen.

Trump is nothing like the Son of God. He goes around swearing and grabs female clams at will. He's nothing like I would encourage my son to be like. On the other hand, he gets shitdone like no other president. 

[GG]

Just now, meazza said:

 

Too easy.

 

Obviously not for some people.

[daz28]

7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You forgot to mention their control of all money and their exploitation of anyone that is blonde haired and blue eyed.

Again, these people were blindly following their supreme leader right down the craphole.  Exploited is a bad word, many of them wanted to hate, and not enough of the good people spoke up.  Kinda like the way some people want anyone who speaks up now to be a liberty hating liberal(Jew).

Edited April 22, 2020 by daz28

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

He goes around swearing and grabs female clams at will.

 

Not surprised you support someone you admit to be a sexual predator. You know what they say..

[Foxx]

NY issues do-not-resuscitate guideline for cardiac patients amid coronavirus

New York state just issued a drastic new guideline urging emergency-services workers not to bother trying to revive anyone without a pulse when they get to a scene, amid an overload of coronavirus patients.

 

While paramedics were previously told to spend up to 20 minutes trying to revive people found in cardiac arrest, the change is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a state Health Department memo issued last week.

 

First-responders were outraged over the move.

 

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, head of the city union whose members include uniformed EMTs and paramedics, fumed of state officials.

 

“Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us,” he said. ...

Edited April 22, 2020 by Foxx

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Again, these people were blindly following their supreme leader right down the craphole.  Exploited is a bad word, many of them wanted to hate, and not enough of the good people spoke up.  Kinda like the way some people want anyone who speaks up now to be a liberty hating liberal.

So, those Germans were a hate-filled people? 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, those Germans were a hate-filled people? 

Led by a hate filled man, who often called, and got his followers to believe many of their countrymen were "scum", etc.

Edited April 22, 2020 by daz28

[Foxx]

Guest Commentary: The day South Florida agriculture died

 

IMMOKALEE — “Up to the end of February our growers were having a banner year, and it looked like this season would be one of those home runs that come around every 5-6 years.”

 

Here is a report that I prepared on the state of South Florida agriculture and shared with officials. This may shed some light on how COVID-19 is impacting agriculture in our area.

 

Markets
On Tuesday, March 24, a local broker says, everything changed. From brokers, orders stopped and everything got quiet. On Wednesday, March 25, it got super quiet.

 

Since then, tomato volumes are down 85%, green beans are like 50% and cabbage is like 50%.

 

R.C. Hatton has plowed under 100 acres of green beans, around 2 million pounds, and 60 acres of cabbage, or 5 million pounds.

 

Florida’s tomato growers target 80% of their production to restaurants and other food service companies, rather than to supermarkets. In this sector, growers are walking away from big portions of their crop.

 

Tony DiMare estimates that by the end of the growing season, about 10 million pounds of his tomatoes will go unpicked.

 

Some crops like potatoes and oranges are faring well, while other produce isn’t selling like it used to.

 

“With a lot of people staying home and buying mostly comfort foods, products like peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers have actually slowed down incrementally,” said Chuck Weisinger, president of Weis-Buy Farms Inc.

“The biggest challenge we have right now is getting the stores to start buying,” said John Stanford, farm manager at Frey Farms.

 

As you know, produce is highly perishable, and three weeks into this, many companies around Immokalee have already had to empty their coolers and dump produce. One dumped 20,000 pounds a day two weeks ago. Let that sink in … 20,000 pounds of tomatoes a day. They dumped a total of 100,000 pounds so far. This is from one farm. ...

[Joe Miner]

20 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Isn't the government literally trying to get rid of disease carrying parasites?  How can that be a bad thing?

Ok, this is a pretty impressive troll job.  I admit, you had me going for a bit.

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

NY issues do-not-resuscitate guideline for cardiac patients amid coronavirus

New York state just issued a drastic new guideline urging emergency-services workers not to bother trying to revive anyone without a pulse when they get to a scene, amid an overload of coronavirus patients.

 

While paramedics were previously told to spend up to 20 minutes trying to revive people found in cardiac arrest, the change is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a state Health Department memo issued last week.

 

First-responders were outraged over the move.

 

“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, head of the city union whose members include uniformed EMTs and paramedics, fumed of state officials.

 

“Our job is to bring patients back to life. This guideline takes that away from us,” he said. ...

Looks like the State has redefined things and came up with their own Hypocritical Oath. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Led by a hate filled man, who often called, and got his followers to believe many of their countrymen were "scum", etc.

Alternatively, that they were deplorable. 

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Not surprised you support someone you admit to be a sexual predator. You know what they say..

I like people who get things done vs. the Obamas of this world who like to color red lines in the sand and man previously unmanned monuments in order to keep them closed during a government shutdown. Viva La our Git Er Done president!

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Guest Commentary: The day South Florida agriculture died

 

IMMOKALEE — “Up to the end of February our growers were having a banner year, and it looked like this season would be one of those home runs that come around every 5-6 years.”

 

Here is a report that I prepared on the state of South Florida agriculture and shared with officials. This may shed some light on how COVID-19 is impacting agriculture in our area.

 

Markets
On Tuesday, March 24, a local broker says, everything changed. From brokers, orders stopped and everything got quiet. On Wednesday, March 25, it got super quiet.

 

Since then, tomato volumes are down 85%, green beans are like 50% and cabbage is like 50%.

 

R.C. Hatton has plowed under 100 acres of green beans, around 2 million pounds, and 60 acres of cabbage, or 5 million pounds.

 

Florida’s tomato growers target 80% of their production to restaurants and other food service companies, rather than to supermarkets. In this sector, growers are walking away from big portions of their crop.

 

Tony DiMare estimates that by the end of the growing season, about 10 million pounds of his tomatoes will go unpicked.

 

Some crops like potatoes and oranges are faring well, while other produce isn’t selling like it used to.

 

“With a lot of people staying home and buying mostly comfort foods, products like peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers have actually slowed down incrementally,” said Chuck Weisinger, president of Weis-Buy Farms Inc.

“The biggest challenge we have right now is getting the stores to start buying,” said John Stanford, farm manager at Frey Farms.

 

As you know, produce is highly perishable, and three weeks into this, many companies around Immokalee have already had to empty their coolers and dump produce. One dumped 20,000 pounds a day two weeks ago. Let that sink in … 20,000 pounds of tomatoes a day. They dumped a total of 100,000 pounds so far. This is from one farm. ...

I haven't gone to the supermarket much, but has produce/fruits gone down in price?  Is it really better to just plow over the product than it is to try to lower prices to move it? 

[shoshin]

45 minutes ago, Magox said:

Sweden appears to be heading towards herd immunity.

 

 

 

They aren't there yet and there would still need to be lots more infections for that to happen but as of right now their medical systems have not been overrun so that each patient can't get the care they need, at least from the reports I have read.     

 

The new cases are beginning to flatten but the deaths are beginning to go up, as the deaths are a lagging indicator.  So I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to tighten up even more if the pressure mounts.

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

Talk about a pretty serious "oh *****" moment for a researcher on a critical study. Hopefully they can replicate it once it's cleaned up. Wash State has, I believe, the definitively biggest test ongoing on this topic. Germany has a big one happening too. Those will be the bigger data sets to look for. 

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

Edited April 22, 2020 by shoshin

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

 

Here was their conclusion:

 

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- We also do not know if there is any error in the estimate, but we also can not guarantee that it is not so, so it is important to tell about it, says Jan Alberts. 

 

I read they will be doing more of these antibody tests, we should be finding out more soon but based off of all the other antibody studies that have recently come out and that their relatively loose social-safety measures.  11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

[Westside]

17 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Dont really care Rump uses the term anytime he doesnt like or have an answer to a question... whatever.

Rump? What are you? Two years old? Grow the ***** up!

[Kemp]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Magox]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

What information did the WHO US scientists transmit back to the CDC?   

 

Why did CDC scientists insist that everything was fine through February 2020?

[Kemp]

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

[Gary M]

35 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I haven't gone to the supermarket much, but has produce/fruits gone down in price?  Is it really better to just plow over the product than it is to try to lower prices to move it? 

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

17 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

That is a horrible article, Links to links to links

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

[shoshin]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

[GG]

23 minutes ago, Kemp said:

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

 

Hi drive by idiot.  How about answering a single question of the dribble you like to post here?

[meazza]

2 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

“And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

 

Looks like he hit the nail on the head with you.

It’s obvious what he means but by fall, we should hopefully have some therapeutics in place to reduce the impact.  
 

Hopefully people will get their flu vaccine.

[Foxx]

24 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

[IDBillzFan]

I really wish the drive-bys would take some time to read this thread from the beginning so they'd stop repeating the same stupid questions and observations that were debunked eighteen times already over the last month alone.

 

 

[daz28]

Just now, Foxx said:

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

 

We'll disagree on what the studies are telling us.  My assumption all along was that we were around a .25% - .5% Mortality rate and Scott Gottlieb seems to believe we are underreporting by a factor of X 10 to X 20, which would put us on the lower end of my assumptions.

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

well... just an observation here but, after being at the grocery store yesterday, it seems pretty evident that the quality of the produce in the stores is significantly degrading. it is like the stuff is older than it normally would be and therefore prone to spoilage much sooner. if i am having to dig deep into a display to find something firm, you know others are having to do the same and how many hands exactly have touched the produce i am bringing home? not sure if 'rona survives on produce or for how long but you can be sure others are afraid of this as well.