The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Buffarukus]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Ok, first if all do you really think quoting a Russian media site on the voting machines buttresses your argument?  Seriously?  The audits I am aware of all confirmed there were no abnormalities with the Dominion voting machines.  And now that they’re suing those who slandered them discovery will show what occurred.  Assuming the idiots claiming that are also too stupid to settle out of court.

 

several sites to choose from that reported that so i could choose another site if you like. if its false claims against the software that's fine with me. I'm providing evidence to the contrary that these machines were perfectly safe with no issues. that statement was made by a independent..non Russian investigation team. sorry it was presented on RT. im not seeing anything on this from the mainstream but there are other sites that have the exact same story if it makes you more comfortable. strange how your not a democrat but you seem to be pushing the russian collusion propagada that the last "election fraud" debate was propagated from....... and lasted in the media for 3 years! a impeachment trial, and is now universally understood to be baseless. 

 

i guess ill go back and get the other research i found just to show this isn't a singular story based on russian propaganda.

 

https://leohohmann.com/2020/11/13/software-engineers-report-dominion-flipped-minimum-of-138000-votes-from-trump-to-biden-in-michigan/

anyways back to the topic.

 

your original claim was the election was absolutely not stolen and people need to stop saying it was. in which i basically said democrats have had issues in their own election and are telling others they must agree on absolutes? do you absolutely know if Bernie gets a fair shot he loses to hillary and trump never becomes president? they should be screaming about their own issues before they tell others they are insane. the democrats are fighting to make some of those concerns permanent laws now. yes i know your not a democrat..i was! so i think its important. i am also an american who wants to not ever have this happen to our country again.

 

you then wanted evidence on the democrats and i provided it. i wrote a very long post that should be at the very least be eye opening for those on that side who are hypocritically condemning.. showing striking similarities. 

 

 after i provide it your stance is

33 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Now, as far as how the parties choose their nominees, the parties have their mechanisms and I don’t really care about that as I don’t have a constitutional right to vote in primaries.

 

so I'm not sure why you wanted evidence in the first place. 

 

yes i know candidates sling mud at each other. i also know when the establishment aligns all of its power against a candidate that is corrupt and wrong. i stated "why even run candidates you will destroy if they get to far?" you seem to absolve these things because you don't care and selections were done in secret in smokey rooms in the past. thats fine and basically confirms my original statement minus putting you in the democrat side. for those that are interested in selecting the person who represents their party its important that they receive a fair unbiased chance. its the only way we see someone not in line with the establishment ever actually obtain power. that's pretty important to me no matter which party wins but according to some, only the general election is important so we can choose which establishment backed candidate we think is less evil from now on. not a good outlook for the future with this ideology.

 

when it comes to fools declaring election fraud.

 

 

 

somehow ive been put in the strange position of defending trumps allegations and having to scour the internet for factual proof that he himself has not. that's not what I'm saying and never was my stance. my stance is that there is validity to peoples idea that we have alot of troubling problems in our election system and yes i believe corruption was involved. the overwhelming evidence seems to say that joe biden was elected as presidents but that in no way means that there were not very troubling ways in which that happened. that also does not mean if they were corrected he would not have been. this isn't as simple as the answer is 4 and everyone else who does not agree is flat out wrong. 

 

if your independent as you claim to be then you see the issues i brought up. only a partisan would fight against measures that degrade the confidence all americans should have in our elections, primary and all. trump may have lost and you may be right that covid forced changes. odd that Fauci and the cdc said voting in person was perfectly safe. odd that the mail in ballots were made in the way they seem hard to retrace after discarded. now that vaccines are going to be out will those laws that were changed last minute, you say justifiably,  be changed back? hmmm

 

so ill restate some of my issues.

3 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

how about the democrats address why voter ID is so difficult to obtain for democratic voters, even though its not, and address THAT, instead of eliminating it from elections..which invites SUSPICION. people are fighting AGAINST HAVING A ID!!? i think we know the real reason why! address signature verification issues conservatives have. why are they trying to pass unsolicited voter enrollment...which is SUSPICIOUS. why are they trying to allow people to collect ballots on others behalf regardless of reason...which will make the system open to more voter harvesting!

 

and yes i fully support you grabbing your bootstraps, get a job and buy some water not on the taxpayers dime if you want to vote in a line!!! georgians! always with the water gimme gimme gimme 🙄

 

just kidding. of coarse i support that measure.

 

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

several sites to choose from that reported that so i could choose another site if you like. if its false claims against the software that's fine with me. I'm providing evidence to the contrary that these machines were perfectly safe with no issues. that statement was made by a independent..non Russian investigation team. sorry it was presented on RT. im not seeing anything on this from the mainstream but there are other sites that have the exact same story if it makes you more comfortable. strange how your not a democrat but you seem to be pushing the russian collusion propagada that the last "election fraud" debate was propagated from....... and lasted in the media for 3 years! a impeachment trial, and is now universally understood to be baseless. 

 

i guess ill go back and get the other research i found just to show this isn't a singular story based on russian propaganda.

 

https://leohohmann.com/2020/11/13/software-engineers-report-dominion-flipped-minimum-of-138000-votes-from-trump-to-biden-in-michigan/

anyways back to the topic.

 

your original claim was the election was absolutely not stolen and people need to stop saying it was. in which i basically said democrats have had issues in their own election and are telling others they must agree on absolutes? do you absolutely know if Bernie gets a fair shot he loses to hillary and trump never becomes president? they should be screaming about their own issues before they tell others they are insane. the democrats are fighting to make some of those concerns permanent laws now. yes i know your not a democrat..i was! so i think its important. i am also an american who wants to not ever have this happen to our country again.

 

you then wanted evidence on the democrats and i provided it. i wrote a very long post that should be at the very least be eye opening for those on that side who are hypocritically condemning.. showing striking similarities. 

 

 after i provide it your stance is

 

so I'm not sure why you wanted evidence in the first place. 

 

yes i know candidates sling mud at each other. i also know when the establishment aligns all of its power against a candidate that is corrupt and wrong. i stated "why even run candidates you will destroy if they get to far?" you seem to absolve these things because you don't care and selections were done in secret in smokey rooms in the past. thats fine and basically confirms my original statement minus putting you in the democrat side. for those that are interested in selecting the person who represents their party its important that they receive a fair unbiased chance. its the only way we see someone not in line with the establishment ever actually obtain power. that's pretty important to me no matter which party wins but according to some, only the general election is important so we can choose which establishment backed candidate we think is less evil from now on. not a good outlook for the future with this ideology.

 

when it comes to fools declaring election fraud.

 

 

 

somehow ive been put in the strange position of defending trumps allegations and having to scour the internet for factual proof that he himself has not. that's not what I'm saying and never was my stance. my stance is that there is validity to peoples idea that we have alot of troubling problems in our election system and yes i believe corruption was involved. the overwhelming evidence seems to say that joe biden was elected as presidents but that in no way means that there were not very troubling ways in which that happened. that also does not mean if they were corrected he would not have been. this isn't as simple as the answer is 4 and everyone else who does not agree is flat out wrong. 

 

if your independent as you claim to be then you see the issues i brought up. only a partisan would fight against measures that degrade the confidence all americans should have in our elections, primary and all. trump may have lost and you may be right that covid forced changes. odd that Fauci and the cdc said voting in person was perfectly safe. odd that the mail in ballots were made in the way they seem hard to retrace after discarded. now that vaccines are going to be out will those laws that were changed last minute, you say justifiably,  be changed back? hmmm

 

so ill restate some of my issues.

 

and yes i fully support you grabbing your bootstraps, get a job and buy some water not on the taxpayers dime if you want to vote in a line!!! georgians! always with the water gimme gimme gimme 🙄

 

just kidding. of coarse i support that measure.

 

You have repeated there is validity in people’s feelings that there are problems with our electoral system, when there is no evidence to support that.  Again, the Trump insisted on a special investigation into the 2016 election; it ended with nothing to support such a claim.  The DOJ found nothing to support fraud in 2020 that could have caused a problem.  Georgia relooked at votes 3 times and found nothing.  Other states such as Arizona found no problems when they reviewed results.  There simply is nothing there.  When accusations are made there have to be some factual basis for them.  And yes the primary system may- may - be different but that to me pales in comparison to the ultimate office holder.

 

Plus you have to think of this logically.  If there was a problem, say, with the machines why would they only affect the presidential election?  And only in certain states?  Again, the only reason- the only reason- that we are talking about this is because Trump got it into the heads of his supporters weeks before the election that if he lost it was rigged.  
 

One last thing.  You say something about me believing Russian affected the 2016 election.  I have not opined on that at all.

[Buffarukus]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You have repeated there is validity in people’s feelings that there are problems with our electoral system, when there is no evidence to support that.  Again, the Trump insisted on a special investigation into the 2016 election; it ended with nothing to support such a claim.  The DOJ found nothing to support fraud in 2020 that could have caused a problem.  Georgia relooked at votes 3 times and found nothing.  Other states such as Arizona found no problems when they reviewed results.  There simply is nothing there.  When accusations are made there have to be some factual basis for them.  And yes the primary system may- may - be different but that to me pales in comparison to the ultimate office holder.

 

Plus you have to think of this logically.  If there was a problem, say, with the machines why would they only affect the presidential election?  And only in certain states?  Again, the only reason- the only reason- that we are talking about this is because Trump got it into the heads of his supporters weeks before the election that if he lost it was rigged.  
 

One last thing.  You say something about me believing Russian affected the 2016 election.  I have not opined on that at all.

 

you keep moving the goalposts. you wanted evidence of democrat manipulation. i gave it. you said my source was bad for voter software issues i gave you another source for a entirely different story. i made my stance very clear. i think if its not clear proof for widespread or election changing then it will be discounted as nothing significant as it has been thus far. i even stated how recounts DID find something as well.. VOTES! some places "found" thousands! some hundreds. a problem existed that otherwise would not have counted those voices. hopefully it is being looked at and rectified as well as the other issues i raised.

 

if you believe the election was flawless and democrats are well intentioned group of leaders that will implement positive voting changes for all americans by strengthening voter integrity then im glad you have that level of optimism. i see some very dangerous thinking on it. opening boarders mixed with no voter identification nessasary for instance has been on a bill I've seen. the breath act contained those things clear as dau on the website until it was removed recently. of coarse im a bigot for my opposition to that ideology by some. the fact they eliminated the green candidate shows they care nothing about disenfranchising people, integrity and I'm just learning about this HR1 that looks to have loads of corruption, especially against 3rd parties. 

 

as for the russian propaganda thing i accused you of believing. that was a tounge in cheek remark hoping you would draw similarities to 4 years ago. when a huge amount of people and elected officials demanded that our election was infiltrated by outside enemies of the website you said i shouldn't use, seeing the comparison? ahhh maybe poorly executed, anyways, large amounts of calls to reform our susceptible voting machines and their software as well as our system in general. so it is never infiltrated again. i supported those reforms, without a lick of evidence provided. i produced alot more proof in this thread then they ever did. but it did not matter either way, why would I fight against demands to secure our electoral process and  continue to make half the country feel disenfrachised? not alot of upside to that stance...either🤔 

 

i read your edit on your first reply. no man. no hard feelings. hopefully none your way either. just internet jabber. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You have repeated there is validity in people’s feelings that there are problems with our electoral system, when there is no evidence to support that.  Again, the Trump insisted on a special investigation into the 2016 election; it ended with nothing to support such a claim.  The DOJ found nothing to support fraud in 2020 that could have caused a problem.  Georgia relooked at votes 3 times and found nothing.  Other states such as Arizona found no problems when they reviewed results.  There simply is nothing there.  When accusations are made there have to be some factual basis for them.  And yes the primary system may- may - be different but that to me pales in comparison to the ultimate office holder.

 

Plus you have to think of this logically.  If there was a problem, say, with the machines why would they only affect the presidential election?  And only in certain states?  Again, the only reason- the only reason- that we are talking about this is because Trump got it into the heads of his supporters weeks before the election that if he lost it was rigged.  
 

One last thing.  You say something about me believing Russian affected the 2016 election.  I have not opined on that at all.

Just block these people out.  It's a fruitless battle.  The election was stolen from Trump and nothing you say will convince them otherwise.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Nice comparison of Trump's tax cuts vs. Biden's relief bill 

 

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/steve-rattner-how-biden-s-bill-differs-from-trump-s-tax-cut-102347333932 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Nice comparison of Trump's tax cuts vs. Biden's relief bill 

 

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/steve-rattner-how-biden-s-bill-differs-from-trump-s-tax-cut-102347333932 

 

 

What? These aren’t the same thing or meant to do the same thing 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What? These aren’t the same thing or meant to do the same thing 

 

No, Joey's are totally different and SOOOOO much better.

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, Joey's are totally different and SOOOOO much better.

Well I’m sure that’s true if the MSM tells me so. 

[TH3]

On 3/7/2021 at 8:32 AM, SoCal Deek said:

Hey Tibs 

The 2017 tax cut didn’t add to the deficit but the runaway out of control spending sure as heck did. 

Nope...the Trump tax cuts did not pay for themselves....no.

 

DT was such an economic wizard and deal maker....he raised the GDP from BO 2.3 to......2.4 percent while doubling the yearly debt.....and guys like you think he was something special.

 

DT was the epitome of the CEO who stumbled in to a small window of perfect circumstance where even he couldn’t eff it up. Low interest rates plus 9 years of pent up demand = good economy. FFS BO inherited economic  devastation and handed off an economy with 2.3 percent growth and saw unemployment go from over 10 to below 5. Trump took 2.3 to 2.4 and unemployment from 4.8 to 3.5.

 

He got the ball first and goal at the 2......and then butchered everything with his cv response.

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Nope...the Trump tax cuts did not pay for themselves....no.

 

DT was such an economic wizard and deal maker....he raised the GDP from BO 2.3 to......2.4 percent while doubling the yearly debt.....and guys like you think he was something special.

 

DT was the epitome of the CEO who stumbled in to a small window of perfect circumstance where even he couldn’t eff it up. Low interest rates plus 9 years of pent up demand = good economy. FFS BO inherited economic  devastation and handed off an economy with 2.3 percent growth and saw unemployment go from over 10 to below 5. Trump took 2.3 to 2.4 and unemployment from 4.8 to 3.5.

 

He got the ball first and goal at the 2......and then butchered everything with his cv response.

And you’re a hack! That vaccine you’re wetting yourself over was developed under Trump. Suck on it!

[Big Blitz]

1 year anniversary!

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

As EVERYONE knew...............

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                         

This is the difference in outcomes between NM and TX after one year of vastly different policies.

 

What we have done to children in blue states has been needless, performative sacrifice.

 

We’ve convinced ourselves it was necessary, but it did nothing to “keep us safe.”

[SoCal Deek]

A little statistical analysis this morning as we near the one year anniversary of the Great Shut Down. So where did we end up? How did each State fair after a year’s laboratory experiment of varying regulatory policies and executive orders?

 

1. Virtually every State is within 10% of  national average for deaths per million, which currently sits at 1,600 per million. 
2. The outliers significantly ABOVE the average are those States surrounding the NYC Metro area. They were high in the beginning and remain so after a year.

3. The outliers significantly BELOW the average appear to be those in the remotest corners of the country. Hawaii and Alaska as you’d expect, but also Washington and Oregon in the NW; and Maine and Vermont in the far NE.

 

So what do these numbers show? What do they tell us? They show what we knew but fought desperately to control with well intentioned policy mandates: Covid 19 spreads from person to person. Those in remote regions naturally contact less outside people. And....The intermittent regulations we imposed on ourselves had virtually no impact on the mortality rate from this virus.

[ALF]

4 or 5 weeks from now we will know how Texas is doing to compare with restrictions 

[716er]

7 minutes ago, ALF said:

4 or 5 weeks from now we will know how Texas is doing to compare with restrictions 

 

They will blame higher covid numbers on border crossings just like they planned.

[ALF]

13 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

They will blame higher covid numbers on border crossings just like they planned.

 

Millions being vaccinated should  compensate for border crossers I would think.

[RiotAct]

11 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

As EVERYONE knew...............

 

 

 

rewarding bad behavior, pretty much.

[Doc]

11 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

As EVERYONE knew...............

 

 

 

 

Well isn't that special?

 

36 minutes ago, 716er said:

They will blame higher covid numbers on border crossings just like they planned.

 

Yeah, that can't be the reason.  Just like the riots weren't super-spreader events.

[US Egg]

Got my 1st covid shot yesterday, ache, slightly, ankles to shoulders today.

 

I will survive.