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Did the lack of production from Jones/Foster/Kroft hamper Daboll & the offense?

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While the offense underperformed this season, was it mainly due to the surprisingly lack of production from Zay Jones/Robert Foster/Tyler Kroft who were expected to have big roles in the offense, Daboll's play calling or a combination of the two? I'm sure the coaches were expecting Zay to be their #2 WR, Foster to be their deep threat and Kroft to be that underneath guy that could move the chains.

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did i have a stroke, or is there two different sized fonts on there?

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2 minutes ago, teef said:

did i have a stroke, or is there two different sized fonts on there?

 

definitely the stroke

 

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Who? Who? Who?

 

When you’re not on the field, can you produce?

When a man is alone in the woods, is he still wrong?

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2 minutes ago, teef said:

did i have a stroke, or is there two different sized fonts on there?

Not sure what happened, lol! I fixed it!

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

definitely the stroke

 

i'm seeing angels.  

Just now, Jerry Jabber said:

Not sure what happened, lol! I fixed it!

thank you for looking out for my well being.

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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

go to the light

 

i fought and now i'm back with us.  i couldn't stomach the idea of my wife getting everything. 

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Just now, teef said:

i fought and now i'm back with us.  i couldn't stomach the idea of my wife getting everything. 

 

well played, state farm

 

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1 minute ago, teef said:

i fought and now i'm back with us.  i couldn't stomach the idea of my wife getting everything. 

Glad you're back! And thanks for the laugh!!

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19 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

While the offense underperformed this season, was it mainly due to the surprisingly lack of production from Zay Jones/Robert Foster/Tyler Kroft who were expected to have big roles in the offense, Daboll's play calling or a combination of the two? I'm sure the coaches were expecting Zay to be their #2 WR, Foster to be their deep threat and Kroft to be that underneath guy that could move the chains.


I was under the impression that the lack of offensive production hampered Jones/Foster/Kroft and Daboll.

 

but this works too. 

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21 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Who? Who? Who?

 

When you’re not on the field, can you produce?

When a man is alone in the woods, is he still wrong?


Is it farther to NY or by train?

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It was because of the lack of Duke Williams through most of the season, obviously. 

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48 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

While the offense underperformed this season, was it mainly due to the surprisingly lack of production from Zay Jones/Robert Foster/Tyler Kroft who were expected to have big roles in the offense, Daboll's play calling or a combination of the two? I'm sure the coaches were expecting Zay to be their #2 WR, Foster to be their deep threat and Kroft to be that underneath guy that could move the chains.

Sure. Dump on these guys to cover up for an inaccurate QB. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The Robert Foster thing I will never understand...that guy looked like a breakout player the 2nd half of the year before

I agree. I don't know if he was disgruntled with the Bills bringing in John Brown and Cole Beasley in the offseason or something else? But how did Foster go from 27 catches for 541 yards and 3 TD's in 2018 to 3 catches for 64 yards and 0 TDs in 2019? 

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41 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

go to the light

 

Stay away from the light. The way this team is progressing the SB isn't out of the question next year. If Rex was still here I'd be sprint to the light 😂

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It's hard to box with one hand tied behind your back...

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2 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

I agree. I don't know if he was disgruntled with the Bills bringing in John Brown and Cole Beasley in the offseason or something else? But how did Foster go from 27 catches for 541 yards and 3 TD's in 2018 to 3 catches for 64 yards and 0 TDs? 

 

Yeah, super confusing. I recall that he had a few nagging injuries in camp and early in the season, but then after that I have no idea what they were seeing from him that kept him on the bench. I heard he had issues running the correct route, or learning how/when/where he needed to adjust his routes based on what the defense was showing. I think last season they maybe gave him a bit of the sandlot kind of game plan, "Just run fly patterns and Josh will toss it up." IIRC, Cover1 singled out some instances where Foster was shown to be running really good routes so... who knows. Several players have said Daboll's system is complicated to begin with, and then he likes to adjust/adapt it each week based on the opponent, so maybe he was having trouble keeping up? 

 

I had high hopes for Zay Jones. I think I was just excited that they finally spent an early round pick on a receiver. Doesn't seem like the change of scenery has helped him much. I'm sure he works his tail off, just doesn't seem to translate on Sundays. 

 

And then Kroft had the bum foot, so...

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2 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

I agree. I don't know if he was disgruntled with the Bills bringing in John Brown and Cole Beasley in the offseason or something else? But how did Foster go from 27 catches for 541 yards and 3 TD's in 2018 to 3 catches for 64 yards and 0 TDs? 

Targets. He was the #1 WR for most of the 2nd half of last season. I was hoping he'd be a top 2-3 WR for us because that was the easiest route to finding one. He is 6'2 and runs 4.4. It is what it is though, he was a long shot. 

 

We lack offensive playmakers. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

While the offense underperformed this season, was it mainly due to the surprisingly lack of production from Zay Jones/Robert Foster/Tyler Kroft who were expected to have big roles in the offense, Daboll's play calling or a combination of the two? I'm sure the coaches were expecting Zay to be their #2 WR, Foster to be their deep threat and Kroft to be that underneath guy that could move the chains.

 

I think there's no question.  They felt they were bringing in a vet TE who could block and produce in the passing game, and they were expecting Zay Jones in his 3rd year (2nd in the offense) to take a big step.  Duke Williams was the "almost as good as a draft pick" dark horse.

 

When Zay didn't work out, they were hoping Duke Williams could step in but after 3 games decided he needed to go back to the PS and marinate some more.

 

This is one of my big frustrations with Beane and McDermott.  It's not that they aren't trying to improve the offense, it's just that their judgement on who to choose to achieve this seem repeatedly poor.  I know Beane didn't draft Jones, but he certainly was in on the decision to "count him in" and not make more moves after his poor rookie year and NFI from the off-season glass breaking incident.

 

This is what I can recall of our WR and TE additions:
 

2017

Zay Jones (2nd round, traded up for him)

Anquan Boldin (<2 weeks)
Kelvin Benjamin (traded 3rd round pick for him)
Jordan Matthews (traded Darby for him + 3rd round pick)

Andre Holmes (2 yr of 3 yr, $6.5M contract)

Deonte Thompson (had career year, but not brought back)
2018
Ray-ray McCloud (6th round pick - still on PS)
Austin Proehl (7th round pick)
Corey Coleman (traded 2020 7th round pick for him and assumed $3.5M guaranteed salary for <1 month)
Jeremy Kerley (cut before 2nd game)

Terrelle Pryor (lasted 2 weeks)

Deonte Thompson (re-signed after cut by Boys)
Jason Croom (UDFA on PS in 2017, IR in 2019)
Logan Thomas (resigned as ERFA from 2016)
2019

John Brown (FA, 3 yr $27M contract, $10.1M guaranteed)
Cole Beasley (FA, 4 yr $29M contract, $10.7M guaranteed
Tyler Kroft (FA, 3 yr, $18.57M contract with $8.3 guaranteed)
Lee Smith (FA, 3 yr, $9M contract with $4.9M guaranteed)
Dawson Knox (3rd round pick)
Tommy Sweeney (7th round pick)
Duke Williams (FA, from CFL)

 

Glass half full:  ALL of the 2019 acquisitions look much much better than the previous 2 years

 

Glass half empty: I "get it" that they were shopping on a strict budget in 2017 and 2018, but you'd like to get a bit more production and quality out of a high 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, a trade of a former 2nd round DB who can play, two late round picks, acquiring a $3.5M guaranteed salary, and a vet signing (Boldin).  Not to mention some UDFA.  The much maligned Buddy Nix and Doug Whaley managed to scrape up more talent from a bunch of no-namer late round/UDFA guys in Stevie Johnson, David Nelson, Donald Jones etc.   In hindsight, Deonte Thompson was probably the best add of a bad lot in 2018, and that's pretty sad.  It's like they just weren't putting the hosses into scouting and evaluation, it was like "I've heard of him, he was drafted high, Bring Him In!"

 

I am hoping to be shown that we truly can evaluate offensive talent this off-season.

 

 

55 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Who? Who? Who?

 

When you’re not on the field, can you produce?

When a man is alone in the woods, is he still wrong?

 

If he says something, yes

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