BuffaloBill963 Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 10:50 PM, stosh64 said: I think you missed this post by the snarky way you replied. Although snark seems to be the preferred method of communication by many here, so who knows. I am open to all possibilities, one thing I do know is it's obvious this goes way beyond being a 'human error' issue. Expand There was zero snark in my reply. Everything I said was spot on and sincere.
Tesla03 Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 Hopefully that energy transfers to sunday night McD for the most part has been doing his job this season, he has the defense prepared every week (except eagles game) his OC and QB have been letting him down a lot.
KOKBILLS Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 10:22 PM, The Frankish Reich said: On not throwing the challenge flag: someday some analytics guy will do a chart on “when to challenge/when not to challenge a PI mom-call.” But even if the chances are slim (maybe 10% chance of getting an obvious PI non-call overturned?), my gut tells me you gotta challenge when you’re talking about a possible 30 yard gain. Losing the timeout just isn’t that big a deal; just run the offense a little faster and you’ll save that time. Losing the right to challenge a future call may be a bigger deal, but I don’t recall ever seeing that matter until the Pats-Chiefs game yesterday. The risk-return is so heavily in favor of challenging when it’s a big yardage play. Expand Agreed, The criteria we've heard all year is that it has to be blatant...Well...I have no idea if clearly making early contact, including contact with the back of the receivers head making it impossible for the receiver to make a play on the ball, is blatant...But I'm guessing it's pretty close... Should have challenged...?
Bills Survivor Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 Love to see it. Sean is generally a respectful guy but he has high standards of performance and those refs were not calling the game as it was being played in the first half. I;m glad Sean accosted them, it is his job to say something and he did. No excuse for botching the twelve men in the huddle call. Its one thing to miss a call during live action when it is a matter of a judgement. But you're a team of professionals and that demonstrated an unjustifiable lack of attention for every official to miss that call. A kindergartner can tell the difference between eleven and twelve, do you're ***** jobs. .
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 Not sure I have ever seen anyone get that mad over a missed 12 guys in the huddle. They didn’t have 12 when they ran the play, did they?
MJS Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 7:54 PM, Agent 91 said: Thank you!!! They were gifting us yards in the second half. First downs tooo Expand But there were justifiable reasons for those calls.
Pokebball Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 11:34 PM, JR in Pittsburgh said: Not sure I have ever seen anyone get that mad over a missed 12 guys in the huddle. They didn’t have 12 when they ran the play, did they? Expand Both are penalties
LSHMEAB Posted December 9, 2019 Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 7:18 PM, dneveu said: I just felt like - its too risky with them never overturning it. Id rather keep the Timeout which we'll need later Expand I think it was worth a shot and at that moment, the Bills offense NEEDED momentum. Tough call considering they rarely overturn them, but it was pretty blatant. They ended up having a shot at the end and TO's didn't come into play, but that's impossible to predict. Who knows. Emotionally, I definitely wanted to see that red flag because it felt like the game was slipping away.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 11:49 PM, Pokebball said: Both are penalties Expand yeah— but one is just a technical violation really. It would be another matter if they ran the play with 12 guys.
BillnutinHouston Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 11:34 PM, JR in Pittsburgh said: Not sure I have ever seen anyone get that mad over a missed 12 guys in the huddle. They didn’t have 12 when they ran the play, did they? Expand No, the 12th man ran off the field before the play, but it was right in front of the ref. 1
Pokebball Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 12:01 AM, JR in Pittsburgh said: yeah— but one is just a technical violation really. It would be another matter if they ran the play with 12 guys. Expand No, it's more than a technical violation. It would allow a team to change their personnel and scheme, depending who comes off the field. 1
CLTbills Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 9:12 PM, BuffaloSol said: I was livid at this! Seriously how do you not get fired at the highest level of your profession when you do something like this? Expand I saw that too. Ball was downed at the eight, and there was a "half the distance" penalty that moved the ball to the 6 instead of the 4. Huh? 1 1
Saxum Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 5:40 PM, SectionC3 said: we should have blown them up on their victory kneels at the end of the game. This was bush league. Expand Something like this?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 12:59 AM, Limeaid said: Something like this? Expand Since they all occured before whistle would u only mark off 15 yards?
Saxum Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:19 AM, dneveu said: Since they all occured before whistle would u only mark off 15 yards? Expand Hopefully offsetting penalties.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:21 AM, Limeaid said: Hopefully offsetting penalties. Expand Probably several ejections though. Who knows
Rocket94 Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 4:37 PM, CaptnCoke11 said: Had to be the 12 men in the huddle no call. He was fuming on the sidelines. The vein in his forehead was in serious jeopardy of popping. Expand Yeah...he has that one milky vein...you can see it!
Jauronimo Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 10:05 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Ok, so you are in the camp that the DLine should go 100% in every victory formation? Ok, fair enough, see how far that gets them. Expand The Schiano School for How to Alienate Your Peers and Piss Off Everyone.
TigerJ Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 4:35 PM, RyanC883 said: terrible officiating at the end of the 1st half is my guess. Ravens had 12 men on the field and there was no call. Then there was the blatent PI at the end of the half, but he can't be too upset about that since he did not challenge it. I could see challenging it, getting screwed, and then being upset. Interested to hear if there is anything more. Glad to see him fired up. The officiating in the 1st half was terrible, much better in the 2nd. Expand The league is made it abundantly clear that just being a blatant pass interference is not going to get a non-call overturned 95% of the time. The DB actually has to commit assault. Challenging PI is a good way to lose time outs.
RyanC883 Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 8:31 PM, BuffaloBud said: Officials (not the crew, but each official on the crew) are graded on every play by the ref mgmt and NFL. That's how they determine the playoff and Super Bowl officiating crews. Reward the best. Expand yeah, but that is not much of a grading scale. The worst thing that happens is you get 16 reg season games. Overall officiating is poor, and there are likely better refs in college. Time to weed out the bottom 20 percent.
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