Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[Seven-N-Nine]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So you know McD isn’t getting fired yet post after post you demand it.  That makes a ton of sense.

I was not demanding anything... Do you have your reading glasses on Oldman? Since when do fans get to demand anything of an NFL team anyways?

Edited November 11, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine

[Urdad]

Just now, london_bills said:

I'm sure you have an opinion! 

 

I'm not a fan, his accuracy is poor, hangs onto the ball too long, he ranks near the bottom of a bunch of advanced QB stats and that's with playing a bunch of the worst teams. He has 11 fumbles this season already. If you had a good QB and one more receiving threat you'd be very good

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Avisan said:

Welcome to 2019, buttercup.  QBs have to do more than be tall, tough, and strong-armed these days.

and he is doing it.....not at the level we want yet but he was raw coming in.......CHIEF

[Success]

The expectations are way too big for Allen right now.

 

He’s a 2nd year who missed a lot of his 1st year.  And he led what could have been game winning and game tying drives at the end.

 

He could have been better, but he was solid. Writing him off at this point is silly.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Seven-N-Nine said:

I was not demanding anything... Do you have your reading glasses on Oldman? Since when do fans get to demand anything of an NFL team?

Again pick your verb.  You keep talking about how McD should be gone yet admit he won’t be.  Other than letting you blow off steam what sense does that make?

[vincec]

8 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yeah. Feels like he's slow with his progressions 

There was no way he was getting to Beasley on a progression on that play. The pressure was on him too quick. He needed to recognize the blitz and associated coverage and either look for Beasley right away or adjust the blocking to account for the free pass rusher.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

11 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Keep telling yourself that.  

 

If this team drops another game or two in a row, and Allen plays like he did today, he'll be benched by week 13.

That's a clown post bro!

[row_33]

See how much more passionate it is over here after a gut punch loss?

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Urdad said:

 

I'm not a fan, his accuracy is poor, hangs onto the ball too long, he ranks near the bottom of a bunch of advanced QB stats and that's with playing a bunch of the worst teams. He has 11 fumbles this season already. If you had a good QB and one more receiving threat you'd be very good

The fumbles are concerning

His accuracy is NOT poor.....he is over 60 percent for the season and has really improved his short game and become more consistant in the intermediate areas.....Long ball needs work

 

One of the things that people dont like to talk about.....Josh Allen is transforming his game.....in games where he would have just ran with the ball he is sitting in the pocket and making his reads....transforming his game really AND he was raw coming in to begin with.   People need to be patient because he has ALL the tools and for the most part plays his best ball when the game is on the line (a very important trait that most QBs do not have)

 

Josh is a gamer......he needs work....you dont throw that away

Just now, row_33 said:

See how much more passionate it is over here after a gut punch loss?

 

Passionate....that is a interesting obv

 

 

[Sundancer]

Angry snowflake fans. Gets a little warm and they start crying for their blankets! 

 

The Wahmbulance is coming fellas.

[Seven-N-Nine]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Again pick your verb.  You keep talking about how McD should be gone yet admit he won’t be.  Other than letting you blow off steam what sense does that make?

I would like to see McDermott fired yes, am I calling the Bills tomorrow and demanding they do so? No I am not... Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him and his inept coaching style for a while longer.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Seven-N-Nine said:

I would like to see McDermott fired yes, am I calling the Bills tomorrow and demanding they do so? No I am not... Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him and his inept coaching style for a while longer.

So blowing off steam, I guess.  That’s nice.

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Last year we saw constant progress this year is more puzzling. But while he didn't play great, Josh has only thrown ONE interception in the last 5 games! ONE. So for such an inaccurate, horrible decision QB, he is doing quite fine! All without the support of a running game... O just wish he'd hit the deep balls since with his cannon arm it would be amazing. This year he's missed them all! Crazy. Even his worse critics didn't expect that! But chill out with him being so horrible!

 

 

I playfully ask people what would Marrone have done with this quarterback. His mantra with Manuel was dont mess up. NO TURNOVERS. Allen is so free with the ball I cant help but think the OC and McDermott just dont trust him. He misses open players so it almost seems as if they give him the reads and tell him not to improvise. I think the dull nature of the offense and Allen's dramatic decrease in turning the ball over are too coincidental to give allen credit for.

[Seven-N-Nine]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

So blowing off steam, I guess.  That’s nice.

So if a discussion is not from a homer point of view it's just blowing off steam? Look at McDermott's career so far and tell me you think he's a good coach.

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I would like to see McDermott fired yes, 

 

Firing the coach and turning over the team culture every 3 years has worked so well that you would like to repeat it? 

 

How long, exactly, did you think the rebuild of the Whaley/Ryan disaster would take? 2 years to become a playoff powerhouse? 3 to the SB? 

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

The expectations are way too big for Allen right now.

 

He’s a 2nd year who missed a lot of his 1st year.  And he led what could have been game winning and game tying drives at the end.

 

He could have been better, but he was solid. Writing him off at this point is silly.

I agree. I don't think Allen has been bad, but he certainly hasn't been good either

 

The real question I guess comes down to is he progressing? Is on schedule or behind scheduling of development?

 

I would say he is slightly behind schedule in his development. Just too many plays left on the field right now especially in the first 3 quarters of the game. But he is becoming automatic in 4th quarters which is a great sign

Edited November 11, 2019 by Cheektowaga Chad

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I would like to see McDermott fired yes, am I calling the Bills tomorrow and demanding they do so? No I am not... Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him and his inept coaching style for a while longer.

Because continuing to recycle coaches has worked so well for us in the past.....just like trying to use retread quarterbacks.

 

There is no way McD is getting fired....especially not this season

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I would like to see McDermott fired yes, am I calling the Bills tomorrow and demanding they do so? No I am not... Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with him and his inept coaching style for a while longer.

Now that this established , you will of course give him a chance to make changes, and be patient.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

300 yards, multiple TDs, and a loss that shows GROWTH.  Apparently, reading comprehension is not your strong point. 

 

I cry about barely breaking 50% completion against a terrible defense.

I read very well.  You’d rather have a loss.

 

Mahomes threw for over 400 today.  They lost.  Sounds like maybe you should consider rooting for them.

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, london_bills said:

Sure. I just don't think he's elite which is what you would want for a 7th pick. 

That you traded up 2 times for. I wanted Rudolph if Jackson was gone but Allen was fine if we got him lower without trading 

[Seven-N-Nine]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Because continuing to recycle coaches has worked so well for us in the past.....just like trying to use retread quarterbacks.

 

There is no way McD is getting fired....especially not this season

I get the recycle repeat problem, but do you really want to stick with a HC that has a dinasaur coaching mentality? This franchise will just spin its wheels some more while other rebuilding teams pass them.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine

[row_33]

Just now, Seven-N-Nine said:

I get the recycle repeat problem, but do you really want to stick with a HC that has a dinasaur coaching mentality? This franchise will just spin it's wheel some more while other rebuilding teams pass them.

But but but....  

 

 
Brady will retire and that will mean the Bills go 14-2 automatically because no other teams will be ready to kill to take the top spot...

 

[vincec]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The fumbles are concerning

His accuracy is NOT poor.....he is over 60 percent for the season and has really improved his short game and become more consistant in the intermediate areas.....Long ball needs work

 

One of the things that people dont like to talk about.....Josh Allen is transforming his game.....in games where he would have just ran with the ball he is sitting in the pocket and making his reads....transforming his game really AND he was raw coming in to begin with.   People need to be patient because he has ALL the tools and for the most part plays his best ball when the game is on the line (a very important trait that most QBs do not have)

 

Josh is a gamer......he needs work....you dont throw that away

Passionate....that is a interesting obv

 

 

59.9% now for the season and dropping, right?

[row_33]

Just now, vincec said:

59.9% now for the season and dropping, right?

eff that stupid stat

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I get the recycle repeat problem, but do you really want to stick with a HC that has a dinasaur coaching mentality? This franchise will just spin it's wheel some more while other rebuilding teams pass them.

Yes because it works

 

McD has a winning record as a HC for the buffalo bills.....and the majority of those losses came in a complete rebiulding year (last year) the team is SIX AND THREE

 

We are really talking about firing a HC witha  SIX and THREE record

[Seven-N-Nine]

2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Now that this established , you will of course give him a chance to make changes, and be patient.

Me personally? No, because I'm looking at how he has evaluated talent, drafted, and coached since he got the job. I don't at all like what I see.

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, DRA3196 said:

I know the offense is a work in progress. But right now it has no identity. Not sure why Allen threw 41 times. I thought the Browns had a porous run defense? The last drive was maddening. I don't see the same QB on the field this year that I saw last year. Singletary only had 8 carries. Our Run defense is a pathetic. Edmunds is NOT a middle LB. Wallace looked bad,  Bad game all around. I had hope for the game early when the defense stopped CLE 9 times. 9 TIMES inside the 1. Maddening game. I know this team is growing but we have been regressing since the first qtr of the season. We have looked bad since the NE game. Need to get this straightened out.

Edmund's can have Alexander's spot. Every team has run to the gap he is assigned to... and he is being blocked clean out of the play. He cant diagnose cant block shed and cant stand strong in a gap. He is being wasted there. I think he would be stellar outside

[london_bills]

8 minutes ago, vincec said:

There was no way he was getting to Beasley on a progression on that play. The pressure was on him too quick. He needed to recognize the blitz and associated coverage and either look for Beasley right away or adjust the blocking to account for the free pass rusher.

I've thought that on other plays. Same thing they said about EJ/tyrod. Doesn't get through his progressions. Locks on to one side, maybe doesnt have great periferal vision. I noticed today he was looking one way then throwing another which I hadn't seem him do before so that was progression of sorts.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

A loss that show GROWTH.  Are you really this asinine?

 

Mahomes isn't the problem on his team.

Really.....what growth do you speak of....certanly not from their defense.

 

Oh wait...this is all about hte QB

1 minute ago, vincec said:

59.9% now for the season and dropping, right?

Excuse me.....his rating did drop a percentage point in a loss......

 

Miami coming up?

[london_bills]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Yes because it works

 

McD has a winning record as a HC for the buffalo bills.....and the majority of those losses came in a complete rebiulding year (last year) the team is SIX AND THREE

 

We are really talking about firing a HC witha  SIX and THREE record

Won't happen. mcds record is a good one. IF They start to lose and the record is not good then there will be noise if they continue to play averagely. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

A loss that show GROWTH.  Are you really this asinine?

 

Mahomes isn't the problem on his team.

One game of 300 yards would not show growth.  Roberts holds onto the one pass today Allen throws for 300.  Would that have changed your posts?  No.  And if he did then it would be well, it’s only one game, he has to do it consistently.  You really think folks here haven’t figured out your act?

 

You want the team to lose.  You try and hide it with this growth stuff, but you have said you’re OK with them losing.  Own it.

[Seven-N-Nine]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes because it works

 

McD has a winning record as a HC for the buffalo bills.....and the majority of those losses came in a complete rebiulding year (last year) the team is SIX AND THREE

 

We are really talking about firing a HC witha  SIX and THREE record

I am, I think more Bills fans will be by seasons end.

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Really.....what growth do you speak of....certanly not from their defense.

 

Oh wait...this is all about hte QB

Excuse me.....his rating did drop a percentage point in a loss......

 

Miami coming up?

If you're implying that it will go up after the Miami game, then we'll see. Unfortunately, Miami is no joke anymore, although Allen does seem to play well against them.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Seven-N-Nine said:

I am, I think more Bills fans will be by seasons end.

Well....your idea is assinine right now.....but in the future who knows?

1 minute ago, vincec said:

If you're implying that it will go up after the Miami game, then we'll see. Unfortunately, Miami is no joke anymore, although Allen does seem to play well against them.

Yeah Josh has been good against Miami

[BuffaloBaumer]

34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

3 weeks ago people were calling him a coach if the year candidate.  The one thing he should do is tell Daboll to get the ball in Singletary’s hands.

 

You can yell all you want; this team is 6-3.  Losing a close game isn’t cause to set the barn on fire.

It's not just losing, it's how terrible they look when they lose....and how awful the offense is when they win too. At this point, every team in the nfl knows how to stop Allen...make him play qb

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Food for thought. The Chiefs are leading their division so unless they drop out of first place their record has no bearing on the Bills. 

Also food for thought. Good teams dont look around the league trying to figure out how they are still in the hunt. Good teams beat the teams they play a lot more often than not. 

 

The fact that the Chiefs put up 32 and lost doesnt make out rousing 19-16 slugfest easier to watch. 

 

I wasnt gonna comment on the OP but I had to. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

still bugs the hell outta me 

[london_bills]

8 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I get the recycle repeat problem, but do you really want to stick with a HC that has a dinasaur coaching mentality? This franchise will just spin its wheels some more while other rebuilding teams pass them.

Whilst I agree with the reservations about McDermott's defensiveness the wins have to be factored in. I'm not sure I want to can a coach who has a winning record! 

[Seven-N-Nine]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Well....your idea is assinine right now.....but in the future who knows?

I think pointing at 6-3 as asinine justification is the willful ignorance part of the equation. The Bills can't beat good teams, not just this season, but all seasons McDermott has been HC. That's about as big a red flag as a coach could have.

[london_bills]

I dont get the impression we are getting better as the season goes on though.