BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Is that another 4th quarter comeback? Imagine needing a comeback against a historically bad 0-5 time. I swear, some of you would praise Allen for a comeback if the Bills beat Texas Tech by a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Imagine needing a comeback against a historically bad 0-5 time. I swear, some of you would praise Allen for a comeback if the Bills beat Texas Tech by a point. Was completely Allen's fault they were down. U are right. Not really. We are in the situation we are in and he mans up and gets it done. Why is that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 There are people in this thread that are either trolling or have no idea what they're watching. That is all. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 D its 2019 and it was a below average performance for a qb against a historically bad defense. he should be dominating these types of teams. But he doesnt. Takes bad sacks. Airmails wide open players and isnt seeing the whole field well. i think some of you are just soo accustomed to watching bad qb play that mediocre play is like a breath of fresh air. A-excellent B- above average C- average d-below average F-fail what about todays game is above average? Its 2019 and our qb can barely get 200 against a historically bad defense at home! its ok to be critical guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Think people had very unrealistic expectations today based on just looking at the Dolphins 0-5 record. Lot of frustration from the first half drives stalling out into fg attempts. Wasnt thrilled with some of the play calls in the first half and as a team the Bills made a ton if mistakes. I give Josh a B+. On the plus side no turnovers and had some nice sustained drives Being nitpicky I would have loved for him to land one of those killshots downfield. Next week much tougher game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I actually thought today they came pretty close to taking over the game. We had 3 straight good looking drives to start the game off. They all stalled in field goal range thanks to a couple untimely penalties and drops. Our first drive of the 2nd half was 98 yards for a TD and a 2 point conversion. They only punted once in the 2nd half when the game was still in question. We pretty much had our way with the Dolphins defense and moved the ball at will more often than not. What killed us was we only scored FGs on the first 3 drives. And the defense kept allowing long drives that kept the offense off the field. If the defense played the way we expected this would have been a blowout. The offense to me looked as good as it has all year, as it should have. This was the first game where we couldn't just expect the defense to win it for us, and the offense delivered right when it needed to. We played the 0-5 DOLPHINS and mustered 3 FG’s in the first half and that’s almost taking over the game??? They have the worst defense in points allowed, yards allowed, passing TD’s allowed. Am I taking crazy pills? 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: There are people in this thread that are either trolling or have no idea what they're watching. That is all. I watched a wide open John Brown waving his arms BEGGING for the ball past the sticks and Allen stared down Knox and checked it down short of a first down right in front of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We played the 0-5 DOLPHINS and mustered 3 FG’s in the first half and that’s almost taking over the game??? They have the worst defense in points allowed, yards allowed, passing TD’s allowed. Am I taking crazy pills? I watched a wide open John Brown waving his arms BEGGING for the ball past the sticks and Allen stared down Knox and checked it down short of a first down right in front of him. Scoreboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Was completely Allen's fault they were down. U are right. Not really. We are in the situation we are in and he mans up and gets it done. Why is that bad? Getting out played by Ryan Fitzpatrick while playing against the worst defense in the NFL IS Allen’s fault. Just now, thebandit27 said: Scoreboard Tebow defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, 808 said: D its 2019 and it was a below average performance for a qb against a historically bad defense. he should be dominating these types of teams. But he doesnt. Takes bad sacks. Airmails wide open players and isnt seeing the whole field well. i think some of you are just soo accustomed to watching bad qb play that mediocre play is like a breath of fresh air. A-excellent B- above average C- average d-below average F-fail what about todays game is above average? Its 2019 and our qb can barely get 200 against a historically bad defense at home! its ok to be critical guys. Two Tds and no turnovers is above average. 32 TDs and 0 INT over a season would be by far the best season in the history of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Getting out played by Ryan Fitzpatrick while playing against the worst defense in the NFL IS Allen’s fault. Tebow defense Nice D today huh? Looked great allowing Fitz to put up 21 points. Good thing we have the best 4th quarter QB in the NFL. The guy that went 10/11 in the 2nd half and lead the offense to 2 4th quarter TDs Like I said: scoreboard. Now cry about it some more Edited October 21, 2019 by thebandit27 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Getting out played by Ryan Fitzpatrick while playing against the worst defense in the NFL IS Allen’s fault. No offense but if you think he was outplayed by Fitzpatrick you might not understand what you’re watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Nice D today huh? Looked great allowing Fitz to put up 21 points. Good thing we have the best 4th quarter QB in the NFL. The guy that went 10/11 in the 2nd half and lead the offense to 2 4th quarter TDs Yeah the D didn’t play great. Not sure how that makes the worst defense in the NFL good, but it is a pretty strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I would give him a D, Miami winning at the half when you are 17.5 point favorites is horrid. He didn't even see wide open WR's and his time was off big time. Allen needs to be a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: No offense but if you think he was outplayed by Fitzpatrick you might not understand what you’re watching. That was the subject of my first post in this thread. Oddly, all I said was that some folks didn't know what they're watching. Didn't say who. Didn't say what those folks thought. Interesting that Orton felt compelled to reply huh? Just now, BringBackOrton said: Yeah the D didn’t play great. Not sure how that makes the worst defense in the NFL good, but it is a pretty strawman. Show me where I said that Miami's D was good. You are the one straw-manning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: No offense but if you think he was outplayed by Fitzpatrick you might not understand what you’re watching. Bills were down 14-9 at half and Josh Allen managed to complete 6 passes. Tebow life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I actually thought today they came pretty close to taking over the game. We had 3 straight good looking drives to start the game off. They all stalled in field goal range thanks to a couple untimely penalties and drops. Our first drive of the 2nd half was 98 yards for a TD and a 2 point conversion. They only punted once in the 2nd half when the game was still in question. We pretty much had our way with the Dolphins defense and moved the ball at will more often than not. What killed us was we only scored FGs on the first 3 drives. And the defense kept allowing long drives that kept the offense off the field. If the defense played the way we expected this would have been a blowout. The offense to me looked as good as it has all year, as it should have. This was the first game where we couldn't just expect the defense to win it for us, and the offense delivered right when it needed to. Meh. Drives stalling and not executing on offense is not taking over a game. It’s not a good looking drive if they are settling for FGs. And even after the 98 yard drive, they had a 4 and out next possession. It took a Tre White strip fumble to seal it. They needed to come out and smack the shiz out of the Dolphins and put the game out of reach. They never really did that and until they do it will be up to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Yeah the D didn’t play great. Not sure how that makes the worst defense in the NFL good, but it is a pretty strawman. You don’t understand how an offense operating well helps their defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey13 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chicharito said: If you were at the game you would see he misses the open receiver waiving his arms and checks it to an underneath route. Happened about 8!times this game. Then to win in this league you have to be able to complete a pass over 30 yards and he can’t. So the mentality of your ignorance is astonishing. Know and watch the game. Much more to it than rooting from the heart. I get the Bills have hurt you in the past but calling me ignorant probably wont make you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: That was the subject of my first post in this thread. Oddly, all I said was that some folks didn't know what they're watching. Didn't say who. Didn't say what those folks thought. Interesting that Orton felt compelled to reply huh? Show me where I said that Miami's D was good. You are the one straw-manning. You brought up our defense when I said Allen played the worst defense in the NFL. Definition of a strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We played the 0-5 DOLPHINS and mustered 3 FG’s in the first half and that’s almost taking over the game??? They have the worst defense in points allowed, yards allowed, passing TD’s allowed. Am I taking crazy pills? We should have been able to mostly move the ball at will against a historically bad defense, and we did. We didn't finish drives until the 2nd half and the defense wasn't doing them any favors. But they moved the ball. They had 6 yards per play which is good. I'm not saying the offense is elite or anything, but they sustained drives for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Bills were down 14-9 at half and Josh Allen managed to complete 6 passes. Tebow life. If games ended at halftime we'd have 2 Lombardi trophies. Nice logic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: You don’t understand how an offense operating well helps their defense? Allen only completed 6 passes in the first half because our defense played poorly. Incredible. Tre White should be ashamed of himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 is anyone else upset there isn't emoji response on these boards with a middle finger? I am not saying a couple people here deserve it, but i'm not saying there isn't... just saying 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Getting out played by Ryan Fitzpatrick while playing against the worst defense in the NFL IS Allen’s fault. Tebow defense 10/11 in second half with 2 tds. Will take that all day every day. Go to bed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: You brought up our defense when I said Allen played the worst defense in the NFL. Definition of a strawman. I said scoreboard. You said it was about the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Two Tds and no turnovers is above average. 32 TDs and 0 INT over a season would be by far the best season in the history of the league. Unfortunately JP Tebow has thrown 10 INT’s on the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Hebert19 said: 10/11 in second half with 2 tds. Will take that all day every day. Go to bed. Orton believes that games end at halftime Just now, BringBackOrton said: Unfortunately JP Tebow has thrown 10 INT’s on the year. I'm now convinced that you're joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Getting out played by Ryan Fitzpatrick while playing against the worst defense in the NFL IS Allen’s fault. Tebow defense 6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nice D today huh? Looked great allowing Fitz to put up 21 points. Good thing we have the best 4th quarter QB in the NFL. The guy that went 10/11 in the 2nd half and lead the offense to 2 4th quarter TDs Like I said: scoreboard. Now cry about it some more Just now, thebandit27 said: I said scoreboard. You said it was about the defense. Tape doesn’t lie. Just like Allen’s tape doesn’t lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah the D didn’t play great. Not sure how that makes the worst defense in the NFL good, but it is a pretty strawman. Are you missing the fact that the Bills' defense gave up more points to the phins than any defense has all year? Are we blaming that on the offense as well? Where is the phins' offense ranked, again? If anything the way the phins ran all over the Bills is the most concerning thing that came out of today. Other teams will take note. Not to mention, the fact the phins exposed Wallace and our defense didn't ever adapt to it. Edited October 21, 2019 by Paulus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I'm a huge fan, HUGE of his, but he had me scratching my head at times, while again, having some clutch moments. He gets B- from me. I've posted this many times before and will do so again: I hope the constant negative posters watch other games. Even great QBs have inaccurate throws, bad reads, miss open guys, etc. If you only watch highlights you don't exactly get a complete picture... Stop expecting perfection out of Allen or the team! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Meh. Drives stalling and not executing on offense is not taking over a game. It’s not a good looking drive if they are settling for FGs. I agree, and this has actually been a theme all year. Too many drops and penalties that kill good looking drives. My point is that the offense moved the ball well overall. But they need to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Tape doesn’t lie. Just like Allen’s tape doesn’t lie. Neither does his record: 5-1. Eat it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Paulus said: Are you missing the fact that the Bills' defense gave up more points to the phins than any defense has all year? Are we blaming that on the offense as well? If anything the way the phins ran all over the Bills is the most concerning thing that came out of today. Other teams will take note. Not to mention, the fact the phins exposed Wallace and our defense didn't ever adapt to it. Wallace had a rough game That tall wr on the Dolphins tore Wallace up on in breaking routes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This guy must have passed out at halftime Recap for you- Bills ended up winning and Allen had a good second half as per usual. I’ll find you a highlight reel or something, everything is fine. Sleep it off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Paulus said: If anything the way the phins ran all over the Bills is the most concerning thing that came out of today. Other teams will take note. Not to mention, the fact the phins exposed Wallace and our defense didn't ever adapt to it. While it was my reaction, it was because of déjà vu. Not the first it has happened. Last year they could get blown out one or two games then come back super stiff. Weird almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Unfortunately JP Tebow has thrown 10 INT’s on the year. We were talking about today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I agree, and this has actually been a theme all year. Too many drops and penalties that kill good looking drives. My point is that the offense moved the ball well overall. But they need to finish. Oh I agree, just meant that’s part of taking over a game, finishing. Anyways, BILLS WIN! And I thought Allen had a very good second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Paulus said: Are you missing the fact that the Bills' defense gave up more points to the phins than any defense has all year? Are we blaming that on the offense as well? If anything the way the phins ran all over the Bills is the most concerning thing that came out of today. Other teams will take note. Not to mention, the fact the phins exposed Wallace and our defense didn't ever adapt to it. We allowed 3.6 YPC. And even IF we got ran all over, that doesn’t change the fact the Bills were 3-10 on third down AND Joshy boy completed 6 passes in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schick Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 808 said: D its 2019 and it was a below average performance for a qb against a historically bad defense. he should be dominating these types of teams. But he doesnt. Takes bad sacks. Airmails wide open players and isnt seeing the whole field well. i think some of you are just soo accustomed to watching bad qb play that mediocre play is like a breath of fresh air. A-excellent B- above average C- average d-below average F-fail what about todays game is above average? Its 2019 and our qb can barely get 200 against a historically bad defense at home! its ok to be critical guys. I don't think you're using your grading key correctly.....using QBR, Allen had the 8th highest rating this week (if you remove the punters and subs who threw it fewer than 7 times). Better than Goff, Bridgewater, Wilson. If you want to make a big deal out of it being against the Phins, that's fine but a bit unfair. Their D seemed to be fairly decent today... http://www.espn.com/nfl/weekly/leaders/_/type/passing/sort/qbrat Edited October 21, 2019 by Chuck Schick typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Two Tds and no turnovers is above average. 32 TDs and 0 INT over a season would be by far the best season in the history of the league. Yeah except he isnt even close to that. you can be critical of play. But people giving him above average grades is insane. he was missing throws and not seeing the field well. The team won and thats great but that is not an above average performance. what do you guys consider average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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