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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think White is better in run support but I don't think Gilmore is as bad there as Bills fans think. Gilmore is an elite corner. He always has been. He got way too much criticism here. 

He’s no doubt a top corner, don’t dispute that. I loved him as a Bill but the criticism of his physicality was and is valid. He’s reluctant to go outside his comfort zone, sorta like a finesse Josh Norman type guy to me. 

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Just now, GoBills808 said:

He’s no doubt a top corner, don’t dispute that. I loved him as a Bill but the criticism of his physicality was and is valid. He’s reluctant to go outside his comfort zone, sorta like a finesse Josh Norman type guy to me. 

 

I think it is overplayed. 

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“The call”?  The only calls I get are congratulating me that they can lower my credit card interest rate! Or telling me my they have been trying to reach me to tell me my car warranty is about to expire, or they can help me with my federal student loans or........why do I even have a land line? Sometimes I use it to call my cell phone when I can’t find it. That’s all I can think of! 

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Is it just me or is Gilmore becoming incredibly overrated? Dude has only 20 picks in like 8 seasons. Tre has like 10 in 2.5 seasons. Tre has far better coverage technique, ball skills, running ability and tackling. Gilmore just holds guys and hopes the officials don’t call it. When the ball goes right to Gilmore I always think he’ll drop it because he looks so uncoordinated as a pass catcher. Everyone on New England is SOOO great until they get cut.

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4 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Is it just me or is Gilmore becoming incredibly overrated? Dude has only 20 picks in like 8 seasons. Tre has like 10 in 2.5 seasons. Tre has far better coverage technique, ball skills, running ability and tackling. Gilmore just holds guys and hopes the officials don’t call it. When the ball goes right to Gilmore I always think he’ll drop it because he looks so uncoordinated as a pass catcher. Everyone on New England is SOOO great until they get cut.

It’s just you. Try to watch the games.

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46 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He’s no doubt a top corner, don’t dispute that. I loved him as a Bill but the criticism of his physicality was and is valid. He’s reluctant to go outside his comfort zone, sorta like a finesse Josh Norman type guy to me. 

Gilmore was a physical corner.. he shied  away from contact for a few games after breaking his wrist AND PLAYING. From his rookie year he laid the wood on some RBs

 

He was far from soft and I always called him an all pro while here.. every scouting report of Gilmore is littered with how physical he is

 

The one thing that Tre had to show he could do in the NFL is stop the run because he WASN'T PHYSICAL at LSU.  He could cover all day but not tackle consistently,  he has seemed to correct that

 

 

 

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it is overplayed. 

Gilmore from SC through his whole NFL career is the exact opposite of a soft corner

 

He hurt Eddie Lacy on a collision before that knocked him out as well..  250 Eddie Lacy..  that might make you think twice

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Gilmore was a physical corner.. he shied  away from contact for a few games after breaking his wrist AND PLAYING. From his rookie year he laid the wood on some RBs

 

He was far from soft and I always called him an all pro while here.. every scouting report of Gilmore is littered with how physical he is

 

The one thing that Tre had to show he could do in the NFL is stop the run because he WASN'T PHYSICAL at LSU.  He could cover all day but not tackle, he has seemed to coreccorrect that

 

 

 

Gilmore from SC through his whole NFL career is the exact opposite of a soft corner

 

He hurt Eddie Lacy on a collision before

Gilmore was excellent on the Bills. He got crappy penalties called on him early but he was extremely good. And is film is why Bellichick gave him a huge contract. 

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10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Gilmore was a physical corner.. he shied  away from contact for a few games after breaking his wrist AND PLAYING. From his rookie year he laid the wood on some RBs

 

He was far from soft and I always called him an all pro while here.. every scouting report of Gilmore is littered with how physical he is

 

The one thing that Tre had to show he could do in the NFL is stop the run because he WASN'T PHYSICAL at LSU.  He could cover all day but not tackle consistently,  he has seemed to correct that

 

 

 

Gilmore from SC through his whole NFL career is the exact opposite of a soft corner

 

He hurt Eddie Lacy on a collision before that knocked him out as well..  250 Eddie Lacy..  that might make you think twice

 

Couldn't agree more. Excellent post. 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Top 3 corner in the game IMO. It’s time he starts getting that recognition across the league 

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

At the moment other than Gilmore there is no corner in the league playing as well as him. He is the biggest reason we won today. Those two turnovers were the difference in the game. 

 

I am not arguing with any of you but do you guys really watch other teams with great CBs that much that you are confident to say this?

 

If yes, could you please name top 10 for instance and looking at that list confirm that you think that Tre is better than any of them?

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Gilmore used to get flagged a lot in Buffalo for holding and PI. In New England, the same plays don't get flagged.

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2 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

The int alone saved the game.

 

The strip fumble sealed the deal.

yup.  15-point swing right there.

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3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

 

I am not arguing with any of you but do you guys really watch other teams with great CBs that much that you are confident to say this?

 

If yes, could you please name top 10 for instance and looking at that list confirm that you think that Tre is better than any of them?

 

Yep. I watch every game every week and I have listed my top guys on here numerous times. 

 

I think the elite level guys are really the top 6 in that list.

 

1. Stephon Gilmore, NE

2. Marshon Lattimore, NO

3. Casey Hayward, LAC

4. Darius Slay, DET

5. Tre White, BUF

6. Patrick Peterson, ARI

7. Jalen Ramsey, LAR

8. Marlon Humphrey, BAL

9. Chris Harris, DEN

10. AJ Bouye, JAX

 

I just happen to think on performances so far in 2019 it is really Gilmore, White and Lattimore. But taking longer term consistent elite performance that is my top 10. 

 

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2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Gilmore used to get flagged a lot in Buffalo for holding and PI. In New England, the same plays don't get flagged.

Part of that is being a young guy who doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Part of that is being on a bad team that doesn't get calls. 

Part of that is now being an established guy who gets the benefit of the doubt. 

Part of that is now being on the Pats who not only get good team calls but Pats calls. 

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Part of that is being a young guy who doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Part of that is being on a bad team that doesn't get calls. 

Part of that is now being an established guy who gets the benefit of the doubt. 

Part of that is now being on the Pats who not only get good team calls but Pats calls. 

Part of that was that he also played against the pats twice a year.

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20 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

 

I am not arguing with any of you but do you guys really watch other teams with great CBs that much that you are confident to say this?

 

If yes, could you please name top 10 for instance and looking at that list confirm that you think that Tre is better than any of them?

To answer your question, I honestly do watch other NFL games every week,  but I don’t focus on corners 100 percent . So I do say my opinion a little bit loosely.

 

Basing it mostly off watching Tre, and experts opinions who do watch other corners more closely than I do 

 

 

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2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

The new cardiac kids?

Jesus. Why can’t this team just ever win one easily? I feel like they take a week off my life every game - even more so this week

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55 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Gilmore was a physical corner.. he shied  away from contact for a few games after breaking his wrist AND PLAYING. From his rookie year he laid the wood on some RBs

 

He was far from soft and I always called him an all pro while here.. every scouting report of Gilmore is littered with how physical he is

 

The one thing that Tre had to show he could do in the NFL is stop the run because he WASN'T PHYSICAL at LSU.  He could cover all day but not tackle consistently,  he has seemed to correct that

 

 

 

Gilmore from SC through his whole NFL career is the exact opposite of a soft corner

 

He hurt Eddie Lacy on a collision before that knocked him out as well..  250 Eddie Lacy..  that might make you think twice

Physical sure, he’s not shy about battling it out w/his man...I’m more talking about his off ball game. Average tackler, won’t hold point of attack well, just not a real strong base in run support/off ball imo. 
 

He still isn’t really interested in anything other than covering his man, even now w/Patriots...he still gets arm blocked downfield. But in coverage the guy does that very well and always has. I said his game is more finesse, I certainly wouldn’t call him soft as he is a top db no doubt.

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8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Physical sure, he’s not shy about battling it out w/his man...I’m more talking about his off ball game. Average tackler, won’t hold point of attack well, just not a real strong base in run support/off ball imo. 
 

He still isn’t really interested in anything other than covering his man, even now w/Patriots...he still gets arm blocked downfield. But in coverage the guy does that very well and always has. I said his game is more finesse, I certainly wouldn’t call him soft as he is a top db no doubt.

Run support is the equivalent of blocking for a WR. It's extremely important to the game and coaches and the outcome, just not to stats and fans. There are tons of allegedly great CBs who are not great in run support. And it should be a huge factor. Tre is excellent. 

 

Gilmore was not great but not horrible either. It used to make me laugh, however, when fans would say he was a ***** or afraid of contact or getting hurt when he would come flying up and try to bury his shoulder into the runner instead of wrapping his arms around him. Sometimes the runner would just bounce off him and continue running, but it's the opposite of trying not to get hurt or being a *****. Chances are much greater you get hurt doing that than just tackling. It was just dumb. 

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3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think lofton mentioned, right when the pick happened, that it was the first time they actually tested white. 

He single handedly changed the whole flow of the game..... twice 

He has ice in his veins. Big Time CB.. 

His rookie year he iced the game @ATL and had a huge FF vs TB and iced the game vs KC last year. Special player. Great teammate as well

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3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Since Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders there hasn't been a two sport star like him. Great game today. 

 

Tre KNOWS hockey!

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1 hour ago, CLTbills said:

Jesus. Why can’t this team just ever win one easily? I feel like they take a week off my life every game - even more so this week

Yes, but they are winning.

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Just now, Mark Vader said:

Yes, but they are winning.

Oh I'll take a win over the alternative.. but good god. Can we just have ONE game like the Patriots where we go up 24 points early and it's never even in doubt?

 

I'm all good with winning no matter how it comes, but the stress level was a bit high today.

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