Buffalo_Gal Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Changed the rules in August, 2019 - almost like it was done Just so this "whistleblower " complaint could be filed. Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing. </snip> 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Changed the rules in August, 2019 - almost like it was done Just so this "whistleblower " complaint could be filed. Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing. </snip> Hmmn, That's right about the time Schiff got word of the complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: ... House panels subpoena Pompeo for Ukraine-related documents ... executive privilege? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ha ha, that would then include almost all the current PPP from that time period. They deny it now. Perhaps, but "almost all the current PPP" isn't running for prez and had no say in the matter. Uncle Joe is and did, and he blew it. Edited September 27, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Hmmn, That's right about the time Schiff got word of the complaint. Change the rules after first submitted, resubmit, scream this is a real "complaint " and then MSM gets their "Let's go with this!" marching orders. It is all fun and games until someone decides to submit a thousand "whistleblower " complaints against high ranking Democrats. The next OIG report has gotta be a real hoot going by the reaction to the early read. Add in crowdstrike, Soros, and the Ukraine coming out again, yeah, this is desperate times for Democrats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Change the rules after first submitted, resubmit, scream this is a real "complaint " and then MSM gets their "Let's go with this!" marching orders. It is all fun and games until someone decides to submit a thousand "whistleblower " complaints against high ranking Democrats. The next OIG report has gotta be a real hoot going by the reaction to the early read. Add in crowdstrike, Soros, and the Ukraine coming out again, yeah, this is desperate times for Democrats. What's crowdstrike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I think what’s going on here is the Dems found out Trump was cutting off the ‘hush money’ to the Ukraine and are scared to death he’s going to blow the whole corruption cabal wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, westside2 said: What's crowdstrike? Crowdstrike were the only ones to have examined the DNC server that the DNC claims was hacked. Read this and Read this those will help. Edited September 28, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Funny that you think that's a good look. If a bunch of people around Trump working for and with Trump very closely--so closely they see or transcribe phone conversations--think he's doing something extremely concerning, it's more likely he's doing something extremely concerning than your bizzaro conspiracy theories over here. But yeah, let's keep calling for the execution of patriotic whistleblowers. Just wanted to check in. You guys are still in the rabbit hole. You just tried to discount someone's opinion as a "bizzaro conspiracy theory" by using a bizzaro made-up scenario. To quote you: "funny you think that's a good look". You and others around here like to mock and make light of the conspiracy theorists on this forum. But you don't realize that your own defense of what you consider to be the truth is just as much based upon speculation as anyone else's. 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: More than 300 former officials: Trump’s actions are ‘profound national security concern’ In a signed statement, the group supports an impeachment inquiry to determine “the facts.” By Karen DeYoung Oh for Christ's sake, here we go again with the litany of former fvcks with an opinion. Worked out real well with the 18 million former prosecutors, huh? Edited September 27, 2019 by snafu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, westside2 said: What's crowdstrike? Ok, I just did a duckduckgo search... if you put in crowdstrike hillary, you will get older articles from 2017. Some of the sources may seem dubious, but they will have links to source documents inside the articles. Google is just pushing "conspiracy!" right now if you search through them (everything is new), and are not returning government documents in the search. Edited September 27, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I have to ask -- if Schiff thinks this case is so strong, why does he have to invent things to make it sound worse than it is? (Because he's dishonest, corrupt, and lying again to the public for his own gain) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmu1977 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 There are going to be many sad people wandering the country when potus is impeached and the senate convicts. He will be a winner, number one, only impeached potus. Do you honestly think he will go for that. He will resign. He is treasonous piece of crap. Patriotic Democrat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, dbmu1977 said: There are going to be many sad people wandering the country when potus is impeached and the senate convicts. He will be a winner, number one, only impeached potus. Do you honestly think he will go for that. He will resign. He is treasonous piece of crap. Patriotic Democrat It's going to get ugly fast. The rats are fleeing the ship and more and more former officials are spilling their guts. I bet he resigns before he gets impeached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmu1977 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Here is suggestion, the bills are playing Sunday. They are going to beat the New England trumps. Life will go on, the bills make the playoffs we will all be happy. If you clowns were real trumpers you wouldn't be NFL fans. When your glorious leader came down on the NFL for the players kneeling, you should have given up football. I have friends who were bills fans who did this. My first game in bilo was 1972, when was yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, dbmu1977 said: If you clowns were real trumpers you wouldn't be NFL fans. Well, you sure got us figured out, Sherlock. Can't put one past you. Can't believe it took someone this ***** long to divine our secret. We're not, in fact, "real trumpers." Jesus H. ***** Christ on a pony. Where do these maroons come from? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Paulus said: This is why I'm afraid of what is really going on. Honestly, Obama weaponized the IRS against Republican groups. Nothing came of it. Biden has a crackhead son get a 50k/mo job, and gets the guy investigating the corruption of that crop fired. Nothing. Now, I do think Trump saying this of a political rival is a serious issue, but obvious corruption is also a serious issue which should not be ignored just because of an election... False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014. There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory. Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.” In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee. In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3. One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014. There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory. Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.” In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee. In December 2015, Biden traveled to Kiev and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country in a speech to the parliament. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. Shokin was removed from office three months later, and Biden announced April 15 that the loan guarantee would go forward; the agreement between the United States and Ukraine was signed June 3. One can certainly raise questions about Hunter Biden’s judgment in joining Burisma’s board at a time his father had a high-profile role in working with Ukraine’s government. But by continuing to claim that Biden “did” something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine. In other news, it's somehow now become acceptable for nations to meddle in the domestic affairs of other sovereign nations. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't, all the way back in...March? April? You Democrats are lunatics. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: In other news, it's somehow now become acceptable for nations to meddle in the domestic affairs of other sovereign nations. I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't, all the way back in...March? April? You Democrats are lunatics. It's based on Kessler's work too. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/glenn-kesslers-shameless-lie/261891/ That opening paragraph or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Second clip: *and yes, it's Hannity/Jarrett -- but the information in this case is accurate/verifiable without the personalities attached. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 hours ago, dbmu1977 said: There are going to be many sad people wandering the country when potus is impeached and the senate convicts. He will be a winner, number one, only impeached potus. Do you honestly think he will go for that. He will resign. He is treasonous piece of crap. Patriotic Democrat 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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