Bills 17, Jets 16!! Game Balls...

[DuckyBoys]

36 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

This is why I'll always hate any type of QB rating system.  2 INTS-one goes through the receiver's hands & 1 is tipped & results in a fluke INT.  Then Allen runs one in instead of passing for it.  A TD produced is a TD produced.  The QB's #1 job is to win the game.  When Josh got the ball late in the game he drove the team down the field from deep in his own territory and took the lead with a TD .  When Darnold had the ball deep in his own territory he couldn't get the job done.  Stats be damned!  Darnold 13.7 point QB rating win.  Allen 1 point game win.  I'll take a game win over a QB rating win EVERY TIME!!!

qbr is a meaningless stat  It rewards the qb for risk adverse play  Darnold refused to push the ball downfield even they had to have it

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

The whole defense. Why not. Bunch of studs bailing out a subpar QB.

 

24  /  37    64.9%    254 yds   6.9 avg.
28  /  41    68.3%    175 yds   4.3 avg.

 

Here are both QB stat lines from the Jets game. Tell me who was subpar?

[Rico]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

 What the hell is everybody smoking. He was sooo bad today. 

 

This was not a, “well if we got a couple more breaks” game. We got those breaks and still turned the ball over 4 times. Easily could have been 6 or more. 

That is an all-time great avatar.

[KD in CA]

Game ball to all the TBD posters who keep their cool and patience during the first 80 or so pages of the GDT.

[Cannon]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Singletary

Smoke

Shaq

Poyer

This is the truth +hausch money

[JoPar_v2]

29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

24  /  37    64.9%    254 yds   6.9 avg.
28  /  41    68.3%    175 yds   4.3 avg.

 

Here are both QB stat lines from the Jets game. Tell me who was subpar?

I’d say both but you’d refute that and that’d be okay. Defense kept them in the game and Allen played much better in the 2nd half. 

 

Numbers may fib but they dont lie - Allen is pretty ***** currently. I think he’ll get better. He has to.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

2017 he was tops in rushing and had 4.0.

Second was Shady at 4.0

Third was Gordon at 3.9. Then 4.7, 4.1, 4.9, 3.9, 3.7, 4.1., 4.1, and 3.9, 3.7

He's exceptionally good.

 

 

And yet the average yards per carry on every NFL running play is over 4.2.

 

This is why these guys are ultimately quite replaceable.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And yet the average yards per carry on every NFL running play is over 4.2.

 

This is why these guys are ultimately quite replaceable.

 

It's not if you just count running backs. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

I’d say both but you’d refute that and that’d be okay. Defense kept them in the game and Allen played much better in the 2nd half. 

 

Numbers may fib but they dont lie - Allen is pretty ***** currently. I think he’ll get better. He has to.

 

He dominated the entire game. Those turnovers and field position is what made you think he sucked. Only one TO was on him. He had 2 or 3 questionable throws...out of 37!!!!  He hit every benchmark Allen haters wanted from him today...and yet the goalposts keep moving.

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He dominated the entire game. Those turnovers and field position is what made you think he sucked. Only one TO was on him. He had 2 or 3 questionable throws...out of 37!!!!  He hit every benchmark Allen haters wanted from him today...and yet the goalposts keep moving.

 

“Dominated”? No promo. No. The defense dominated. Allen happened to get his ***** together when it counted. And that’s good! No hate but allen playing like a 1st round pick??? Not even close. Maybe you got lower standards who knows.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

“Dominated”? No promo. No. The defense dominated. Allen happened to get his ***** together when it counted. And that’s good! No hate but allen playing like a 1st round pick??? Not even close. Maybe you got lower standards who knows.

 

We outgained the Jets by 150 yards. By 90 yards passing. That's domination. Sorry it goes against your bias.

Edited September 9, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[buffalo2218]

4 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

“Dominated”? No promo. No. The defense dominated. Allen happened to get his ***** together when it counted. And that’s good! No hate but allen playing like a 1st round pick??? Not even close. Maybe you got lower standards who knows.

I have to agree with Allen getting bailed out. If this defense doesn't provide solid play, god knows how bad things really could have got for Allen. Alls well that ends well tho, gotta hand it to the kid. He didn't let the turnovers get him down and ended up rewarding our defense with a clutch throw

Edited September 9, 2019 by buffalo2218

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We outgained the Jets by 150 yards. That's domination.

Yes as a TEAM they dominated. Not really what you said initially. Josh allen toughed his way outta that one. 

[Doc]

I wouldn't say he dominated but his teammates didn't do him many favors.  The first fumble was because of the quick sack.  The pick-six was off Beasley's hands.  The fumbled snap was on Morse.  And then you have Feliciano getting a one-sided taunting penalty to push them out of FG range.  Then there was the safety.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Doc

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Yes as a TEAM they dominated. Not really what you said initially. Josh allen toughed his way outta that one. 

 

Remember when we passed every down in the 1Q? Allen was moving the team downfield. Beasley's eff-up led to the pick 6. Morse botched the snap. You can blame Allen for the fumble on the sack. But HE PLAYED WELL ALL GAME.

 

I look forward to your spin next win.

Edited September 9, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[buffalo2218]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Remember when we passed every down in the 1Q? Allen was moving the team downfield. Beasley's eff-up led to the pick 6. Morse botched the snap. You can blame Allen for the fumble on the sack. But HE PLAYED WELL ALL GAME.

I didn't get to watch the game, but I remember an INT being called back that was said was a terrible throw. Allen did make his share of mistakes today, even Allen will tell ya that

[JoPar_v2]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I have to agree with Allen getting bailed out. If this defense doesn't provide solid play, god knows how bad things really could have got for Allen. Alls well that ends well tho, gotta hand it to the kid. He didn't let the turnovers get him down and ended up rewarding our defense with a clutch throw

 

Dude absolutely you saw it. People here will defend this guy irrationally. Turnovers? Not his fault. Ball behind the receiver? Wideout mustve f’ed up the timing. Interceptions and pick-6es? Must be zay jones fault. 

 

Guy’s never gonna lead us to more than 8 wins. Rather have Murray at this point.

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Remember when we passed every down in the 1Q? Allen was moving the team downfield. Beasley's eff-up led to the pick 6. Morse botched the snap. You can blame Allen for the fumble on the sack. But HE PLAYED WELL ALL GAME.

 

I look forward to your spin next win.

 

I hope, HOPE i am wrong promo, i really do. I don’t see it yet.

[buffalo2218]

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Dude absolutely you saw it. People here will defend this guy irrationally. Turnovers? Not his fault. Ball behind the receiver? Wideout mustve f’ed up the timing. Interceptions and pick-6es? Must be zay jones fault. 

 

Guy’s never gonna lead us to more than 8 wins. Rather have Murray at this point.

I won't go as far as to say I'd rather have this or that person, this is only Allen's second year. I expected him to make his share of mistakes in this game being on the road. But yeah, you're right, I won't irrationally defend him because I want him to do well. He did deserve criticism today, but also deserved praise. Let's just hope he learns

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I didn't get to watch the game, but I remember an INT being called back that was said was a terrible throw. Allen did make his share of mistakes today, even Allen will tell ya that

 

There was a defensive flag. Allen had a free play.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Dude absolutely you saw it. People here will defend this guy irrationally. Turnovers? Not his fault. Ball behind the receiver? Wideout mustve f’ed up the timing. Interceptions and pick-6es? Must be zay jones fault. 

 

Guy’s never gonna lead us to more than 8 wins. Rather have Murray at this point.

Except he didn't.

3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I didn't get to watch the game, but I remember an INT being called back that was said was a terrible throw. Allen did make his share of mistakes today, even Allen will tell ya that

 

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

There was a defensive flag. Allen had a free play.

IIRC, the call was defensive holding, don't think that really qualifies as a free play

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Dude absolutely you saw it. People here will defend this guy irrationally. Turnovers? Not his fault. Ball behind the receiver? Wideout mustve f’ed up the timing. Interceptions and pick-6es? Must be zay jones fault. 

 

Guy’s never gonna lead us to more than 8 wins. Rather have Murray at this point.

 

I hope, HOPE i am wrong promo, i really do. I don’t see it yet.

 

1) I doubt you hope you're wrong.

2) You'll never see it because...
3) Your mind is made up about Allen. He sucks.

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Except he didn't.

 

Except who didnt do what?

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

There was a defensive flag. Allen had a free play.

That's not true. It was a hold in the middle of the play on Knox underneath. He didn't know that was going to be called when he looked to throw and threw it. It was a good close on the ball by the Jet. 

[Royale with Cheese]

He was up and down but made plays when we needed him to.  You can look at his demeanor at the end of the game, he wasn't happy with this performance.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

That's not true. It was a hold in the middle of the play on Knox underneath. He didn't know that was going to be called when he looked to throw and threw it. It was a good close on the ball by the Jet. 

 

I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it.

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

IIRC, the call was defensive holding, don't think that really qualifies as a free play

 

Why wouldn't that be a free play?

[buffalo2218]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it.

 

Why wouldn't that be a free play?

Typically, a free play would be considered something like encroachment where the QB sees that.

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

1) I doubt you hope you're wrong.

2) You'll never see it because...
3) Your mind is made up about Allen. He sucks.

 

That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I'll will check that play on Game Pass to see if the flag was thrown before Allen passed it.

It was barely a hold. He could not have seen that was going to be the call regardless of when it was thrown. But I would bet it was thrown as Josh was throwing the ball. Not a chance it was a free play kind of thing like a guy jumping off sides. The Jet grabbed Knox from behind and barely held him up. It was a penalty but not a blatant one. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

 

That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better.

 

But two minutes ago you said you'd rather have Kyler Murray.

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

That’s okay if you think that but yes, honestly i really do hope i’m wrong because he’s our QB good or bad and i’m not here starting stupid prediction threads like @transplantbillsfan I’m just going on what I see - he’ll never win us more than 8 games unless he gets significantly better.

I don't believe he's quite on par with his receivers just yet. Today did show he was developing a good chemistry with both Beasley and Brown, rocky as it was

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It's not if you just count running backs. 

 

I'm not even going to hold my breath for that stat from you because I know it's not forthcoming.

 

The point is that you don't run a RB who gets 4.0 ypa for productivity.....that's not good......you do it to impact the defense physically.

 

So late in a game....when you are desperate for a score the way the flagging Jets were.......if you lean heavily on a low ypa player you are likely going to be punting a lot sooner than you can string together enough plays to get in the end zone. 

 

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But two minutes ago you said you'd rather have Kyler Murray.

 

I would! If I had a choice. We don’t. So I will support Allen until he flames out or leads us to the promised land. Either or. Not going to attribute every win (especially close ones) to Allen’s “dominance” though when he did nothing of the sort. 

 

Also, why isn’t there a “cut beasley” thread yet? Given he dropped one of the easiest balls I’ve ever seen .

3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I don't believe he's quite on par with his receivers just yet. Today did show he was developing a good chemistry with both Beasley and Brown, rocky as it was

 

Very well could be. Hope that’s it.

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I would! If I had a choice. We don’t. So I will support Allen until he flames out or leads us to the promised land. Either or. Not going to attribute every win (especially close ones) to Allen’s “dominance” though when he did nothing of the sort. 

 

Also, why isn’t there a “cut beasley” thread yet? Given he dropped one of the easiest balls I’ve ever seen .

 

Very well could be. Hope that’s it.

For some reason, ever since the 3rd preseason game (the only Bills game I got to watch so far ?), he seemed to be jittery. At some point, he finally did calm down. Development takes time, even moreso patience. Good thing is he won't be facing D lines like the Jets all the time. But for all his faults today, the playcalling needs some work too

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

For some reason, ever since the 3rd preseason game (the only Bills game I got to watch so far ?), he seemed to be jittery. At some point, he finally did calm down. Development takes time, even moreso patience. Good thing is he won't be facing D lines like the Jets all the time. But for all his faults today, the playcalling needs some work too

 

I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. 

 

If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater.

[buffalo2218]

3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. 

 

If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater.

Meh, the way I see it, let him get it all out of his system now and get better. What better time for it than now and especially against Gase and the Jokes

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I know. You get attacked by some around here if you point these things out unfortunately. Again, and I said it 4 posts ago, I think Allen played much better 2nd half. 

 

If you don’t got universal praise for the kid, though, u just a hater.

 

Here we go with the all-or-nothing excuse.

 

It's no secret that a number of posters hated the Allen pick and will resist admitting they might be wrong. All I heard all off-season was how Allen had to get more accurate, look for shorter throws underneath, don't take off running so much, stay in the pocket, get his completions above 60%, learn to play from behind, etc etc. Well, he checked all those boxes today, and still people complain.

[McBean]

Best bills win in a very long time 

[NickelCity]

I wonder if it will always be like this?

 

I fluctuate between skeptical and optimistic on Allen. I felt pretty damn impressed with him after the first half. Yes, the half of four turnovers. One of which (the first fumble), was his fault.

[JoPar_v2]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Here we go with the all-or-nothing excuse.

 

It's no secret that a number of posters hated the Allen pick and will resist admitting they might be wrong. All I heard all off-season was how Allen had to get more accurate, look for shorter throws underneath, don't take off running so much, stay in the pocket, get his completions above 60%, learn to play from behind, etc etc. Well, he checked all those boxes today, and still people complain.

 

Promo come on man. I am not hating (not in my eyes at least) but the all or nothing comment applies here because I know and I KNOW you know that allen criticism gets killed by his cheerleaders here (and there are several.)