SoTier Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Saturday, July 20, 2019, is the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. The Weather Channel has been showing lots of info snippets since Tuesday, the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo launch. One of them I found interesting, having worked in IT for 30 years, is that the chips in today's musical/talking greeting cards have more power than the guidance system that took Apollo 11 astronauts to the moon and back! PBS had an American Experience episode on it, and I'm sure that there will be more programs on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Cronkite completely biffing on Armstrong's one small step statement is awesome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Saturday, July 20, 2019, is the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. The Weather Channel has been showing lots of info snippets since Tuesday, the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo launch. One of them I found interesting, having worked in IT for 30 years, is that the chips in today's musical/talking greeting cards have more power than the guidance system that took Apollo 11 astronauts to the moon and back! PBS had an American Experience episode on it, and I'm sure that there will be more programs on Saturday. I was elementary school age when Apollo 11 made its landing. Nonetheless, I had an interest in the space program and remember due to my family visiting a relative I could not watch it while it actually happened. I saw maybe the last 15 minutes after they touched down but did see the full recap on the evening news. Pretty sure we watched it on NBC with Huntley-Brinkley. Too young to really appreciate Huntley-Brinkley and my political views were not even forming that young but it had to be nice to watch newsmen who presented the news and nothing more. I guess my memory is not too bad as I double checked the day of the week it happened and it was a Sunday just like I thought it was. Edited July 18, 2019 by RochesterRob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 This is easily one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: This is easily one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time! You're thinking of Apollo 13 unless there is a movie covering the first landing I am unaware of. Apollo 13 was the aborted mission where the crew almost did not make it back to Earth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: This is easily one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time! I think you might be confusing the event with ‘Capricorn 1’...the one with (?dum dum dum?) OJ in it...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Saw the Apollo 11 movie at the IMAX theater Sunday. 45 minutes, but very enjoyable. I've been picking up various shows / programs all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 How does a flag wave when there is no air? Where are the stars? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: How does a flag wave when there is no air? Where are the stars? All explained many times, and I'm sure you're kidding. I've always been into this, to the point where I understand all of the com during the descent phase, as well as the 1201 and 1202 alarms. It is quite surprising it worked, and equally surprising at how young the people were who made decisions in the last two minutes, though if I was Armstrong and would have been told to abort on the 1202, I would have pressed on. Just an amazing event. I was at the Sherkston Quarry when they landed, with a transistor radio. One of the things I'll never forget. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: Cronkite completely biffing on Armstrong's one small step statement is awesome That is one of the great shots ever. America’s most unflappable guy having that ‘can you believe this???’ moment with his colleagues on the air, echoing what everyone else was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I think you might be confusing the event with ‘Capricorn 1’...the one with (?dum dum dum?) OJ in it...? That's about a faked landing on Mars. I thought that there was also a movie that claimed the moon landing was faked but I didn't find anything about that, but maybe I too confused it with Capricorn 1. Maybe I was thinking of the FOX documentary on Moon landing conspiracies. For those interested in conspiracy theories about the moon landing see here: Moon Landing Conspiracies. The thing that surprised me -- or maybe it shouldo n't -- are how many come from individuals who could easily appear to be "knowledgeable" because of their educational or employment backgrounds or military service records. I guess it's a necessity for any conspiracy theory to gain hold of the public imagination to have supposed "experts" support it for whatever reasons they choose to do so. The 9/11 conspiracy theories have attracted "respected experts" like flies on excrement over the years. Two excellent movies about the Apollo missions: Apollo 13 and Hidden Figures. I found Hidden Figures to be especially interesting because it focused on how NASA personnel struggled to get the first American, Alan Shepard, into space (but not into orbit) at a time when a "computer" was actually a person -- in the case of NASA, primarily female mathematicians. There's a new documentary out on Apollo 11, too, with that title. It's apparently created using all actual audio and video from the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: All explained many times, and I'm sure you're kidding. I've always been into this, to the point where I understand all of the com during the descent phase, as well as the 1201 and 1202 alarms. It is quite surprising it worked, and equally surprising at how young the people were who made decisions in the last two minutes, though if I was Armstrong and would have been told to abort on the 1202, I would have pressed on. Just an amazing event. I was at the Sherkston Quarry when they landed, with a transistor radio. One of the things I'll never forget. I'd say I'm less than half kidding. More of me believes that we landed on the moon, than that we didn't. But I am certainly not convinced. And I do think this is a good question (how a flag waves with no air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Gugny said: Where are the stars? Hollywood? Making ‘Capricorn 1’? 1 minute ago, SoTier said: That's about a faked landing on Mars. I thought that there was also a movie that claimed the moon landing was faked but I didn't find anything about that, but maybe I too confused it with Capricorn 1. Maybe I was thinking of the FOX documentary on Moon landing conspiracies. Do you know of any moon landing movies with OJ? Fine, you get ‘Capricorn 1’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'd say I'm less than half kidding. More of me believes that we landed on the moon, than that we didn't. But I am certainly not convinced. And I do think this is a good question (how a flag waves with no air). Think of it this way. Well over 10,000 people were closely involved with NASA in the Apollo program. That is potentially 10,000 chances to spill the beans. Do you really think that not one person would blab about it being fake? Further, it would have been the achievement of the century for the communist world to make the Americans look like liars so I would have to think the KGB would have been waiting outside of every NASA-related building to offer a million dollars or more if they go to the media about such a fraud and then offer asylum. That's the cynicism that would have convinced me if I had any doubts before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Think of it this way. Well over 10,000 people were closely involved with NASA in the Apollo program. That is potentially 10,000 chances to spill the beans. Do you really think that not one person would blab about it being fake? Further, it would have been the achievement of the century for the communist world to make the Americans look like liars so I would have to think the KGB would have been waiting outside of every NASA-related building to offer a million dollars or more if they go to the media about such a fraud and then offer asylum. That's the cynicism that would have convinced me if I had any doubts before. Again ... most of me believes it. I just think the flag waving is peculiar. Kind of like when Stevie Wonder caught the falling microphone stand. Makes you wonder if he's really blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Think of it this way. Well over 10,000 people were closely involved with NASA in the Apollo program. That is potentially 10,000 chances to spill the beans. Do you really think that not one person would blab about it being fake? But what if we’re in the Matrix?...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Do you know of any moon landing movies with OJ? Fine, you get ‘Capricorn 1’. Conspiracy theories aren't my thing. I don't believe 'em. It's not that I think people are always honest but that if more than 1 person knows a secret, it won't stay a secret for long --- and every conspiracy theory requires numerous individuals -- sometimes thousands of them -- keeping secrets forever and hiding all evidence of those secrets. I know I've never seen any movie on any faked landing of any US spacecraft any where, but I've seen reports/trailers/descriptions of such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: Again ... most of me believes it. I just think the flag waving is peculiar. Kind of like when Stevie Wonder caught the falling microphone stand. Makes you wonder if he's really blind. We'll just have to not fully agree then. The Apollo program would have been a full blown disaster for the US if it being faked had been revealed. Enough to change the course of history and I am pretty sure the Soviet Union at the time understood the stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Think of it this way. Well over 10,000 people were closely involved with NASA in the Apollo program. That is potentially 10,000 chances to spill the beans. Do you really think that not one person would blab about it being fake? Further, it would have been the achievement of the century for the communist world to make the Americans look like liars so I would have to think the KGB would have been waiting outside of every NASA-related building to offer a million dollars or more if they go to the media about such a fraud and then offer asylum. That's the cynicism that would have convinced me if I had any doubts before. Exactly this. It's the same way with the every conspiracy theory ever, most notably the 9-11 conspiracy theory that the Bush administration actually blew up the towers. Conspiracy theorists ALWAYS ignore the fact that people will talk about stuff that's supposed to be secret. Always. The reasons that they do differ, but somebody always "spills the beans" at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, SoTier said: Exactly this. It's the same way with the every conspiracy theory ever, most notably the 9-11 conspiracy theory that the Bush administration actually blew up the towers. Conspiracy theorists ALWAYS ignore the fact that people will talk about stuff that's supposed to be secret. Always. The reasons that they do differ, but somebody always "spills the beans" at some point. Not to keep beating on this but you also have a motivated political entity in the Soviet Union to say that you faked it and now for sure the Americans cannot be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'd say I'm less than half kidding. More of me believes that we landed on the moon, than that we didn't. But I am certainly not convinced. And I do think this is a good question (how a flag waves with no air). its is not a standard flag. it seems to be "shaped" as if it's blowing in air . https://www.space.com/16798-american-flags-moon-apollo-photos.html https://www.space.com/14874-apollo-11-landing-site-moon-photo.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I was 8 years old and fascinated with NASA at the time. I had a very cool model of the Saturn 5 Rocket with the LEM inside the command module stage (I think that's where it sat). I'll never forget laying on the floor watching the landing on TV and thinking holy cow!!! Coolest thing ever!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I was 8 years old and fascinated with NASA at the time. I had a very cool model of the Saturn 5 Rocket with the LEM inside the command module stage (I think that's where it sat). I'll never forget laying on the floor watching the landing on TV and thinking holy cow!!! Coolest thing ever!! It was below the service module. 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I'd say I'm less than half kidding. More of me believes that we landed on the moon, than that we didn't. But I am certainly not convinced. And I do think this is a good question (how a flag waves with no air). It isn't waving. It is displaying the way it was built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 My father was a GE engineer and he worked at a place called Apollo Park in Daytona Beach, across the street from the speedway, race track, and dog track. I was 12 years old in July 1969. I was totally into it, as were many of my class mates whose fathers also worked at space related industries. The idea that it wasn’t real wasn’t even thought about. In school, they would have us all go out to the PE fields to watch rocket launches. That was a memorable time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 hours ago, RochesterRob said: Not to keep beating on this but you also have a motivated political entity in the Soviet Union to say that you faked it and now for sure the Americans cannot be trusted. Absolutely. Moreover, I doubt that Von Braun would have been party to faking it. He was dedicated -- had been dedicated his entire life -- to space exploration. He was also an amoral individual. His v-1 and v-2 rocket programs for the Nazis furthered his research into rocketry, and actually hindered the German war effort because they diverted so many resources from designing/building better and more war planes. He was courted by both the US and the Soviets even before the fall of Germany, and he chose the US because he figured he'd be allowed to do rocket research while the Soviets would have him working on missiles. I have no doubt that he would have defected to the USSR without thinking twice if the US abandoned the manned space program and replaced it with some elaborate sham. He was available to the highest bidder and his price was space exploration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Von Braun's idea was one massive vehicle that landed on and launched from the moon. A young American kid came up with the idea of having two separate vehicles that would separate and rejoin after the moon landing. When seeing the presentation, Von Braun agreed, and that's what we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, SoTier said: Absolutely. Moreover, I doubt that Von Braun would have been party to faking it. He was dedicated -- had been dedicated his entire life -- to space exploration. He was also an amoral individual. His v-1 and v-2 rocket programs for the Nazis furthered his research into rocketry, and actually hindered the German war effort because they diverted so many resources from designing/building better and more war planes. He was courted by both the US and the Soviets even before the fall of Germany, and he chose the US because he figured he'd be allowed to do rocket research while the Soviets would have him working on missiles. I have no doubt that he would have defected to the USSR without thinking twice if the US abandoned the manned space program and replaced it with some elaborate sham. He was available to the highest bidder and his price was space exploration. It wouldn't be a matter of Von Braun faking it. There could have been a hangup in an area where he had little expertise such as deep space life support. The rub is when the government decides to fake a landing for a political agenda. Does he stay silent or speak out. He probably would have known he had a very short leash in terms of speaking out without being a target of the CIA for elimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 End this "fake" nonsense. It wasn't faked, nor were the the following missions that landed and returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Gugny said: This is easily one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time! I wasnt sure if Ben Affleck and Bruce Willis could pull it off, but the boys did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 hours ago, SoTier said: Saturday, July 20, 2019, is the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. The Weather Channel has been showing lots of info snippets since Tuesday, the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo launch. One of them I found interesting, having worked in IT for 30 years, is that the chips in today's musical/talking greeting cards have more power than the guidance system that took Apollo 11 astronauts to the moon and back! PBS had an American Experience episode on it, and I'm sure that there will be more programs on Saturday. Well, now THAT is just INSANE!!! Makes you realize exactly how bold this was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, sherpa said: It was below the service module. Well I was close. That was many many many brain cells ago. LOL Just now, Augie said: Well, now THAT is just INSANE!!! Makes you realize exactly how bold this was! Slide rule, pencil, Marlboro's, coffee and bourbon baby!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Slide rule, pencil, Marlboro's, coffee and bourbon baby!! So, in other words, they were wingin’ it! Yeah, it would have taken a LOT of bourbon to get me on that ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: So, in other words, they were wingin’ it! Yeah, it would have taken a LOT of bourbon to get me on that ride! Oh no they new exactly what they were doing. Why we made it there and back so many times with little incidents. Just show how ***** smart they were. And those guys had balls. Why don't you fix your little problem and light this candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 They have an Apollo 11 exhibit at the Nixon Library. Going to see it Saturday. Will report back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I watched First Man last week. Thought it was very solid. Armstrong was badass. The moon landing sequence was rally well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marv's Neighbor Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Gugny said: I'd say I'm less than half kidding. More of me believes that we landed on the moon, than that we didn't. But I am certainly not convinced. And I do think this is a good question (how a flag waves with no air). Lots of Starch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: They have an Apollo 11 exhibit at the Nixon Library. Going to see it Saturday. Will report back. And it just dawned on me I’ll be there on the 50th anniversary of the actual landing. It will likely be busy but absolutely worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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