SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Allen was a lot like that too. I’m not saying who is better (though I lean towards Allen). But it’s crazy how easy some of you are to pass judgment on another qb and get upset when someone does that with Allen. Making concrete judgments on any first year qb is kinda insane. I agree that Allen ran, but he really is a QB first and then a runner. Pre Draft LJ was last on the list of QB's I wanted in Buffalo. Lamar is a better running QB than Tyrod ergo TT 2.0. It's just not the recipe for success in a "passing" league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Had they gone 6-10 last year with a long standing history of poor football, I think there would be more criticism. That's probably true. It will be interesting to see what happens with them this season. I know which way I think it will go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) my 2 cents The Ravens were competitive because the Browns SUCKED so much. 2 easy wins helps go a long way Edited May 30, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This stuff with Lamar (grip issues, OTA accuracy issues, now this new scheme stuff) might not be a big deal, but it isn’t what you want to be reading about your QB going into Year2 — a vital year. I imagine how well Bills fans would take hearing these things wrt Allen I think it’s not so much ‘Our QB doesn’t know how to grip the ball properly’ as it is ‘our QB doesn’t know how to explain things without sounding like he doesn’t know what’s going on’ type deal in Bmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I agree that Allen ran, but he really is a QB first and then a runner. Pre Draft LJ was last on the list of QB's I wanted in Buffalo. Lamar is a better running QB than Tyrod ergo TT 2.0. It's just not the recipe for success in a "passing" league I had Lamar and Allen similarly ranked for their draft. Loved some of their tools, worried if they can be consistently good enough as nfl passers. I definitely believe Allen has the skills to be a much better passer than Lamar but both go against similar gameplans this year. Keep them in the pocket, take away the deep stuff, and force them to beat you with underneath throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: but are ready to call Jackson a bust after a season which he played on the playoffs? Yeah, he played. Did you watch the game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: Yeah, he played. Did you watch the game? Yup. Wasn’t very good like plenty of other rookie QBs. But isn’t making fun of a guy playing in the playoffs when you aren’t kinda like the dork at home making fun of people at the prom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Yes, those Ravens. The same ones that won their division last year. The Ravens are a consistently competitive team. If I had to guess they are probably the most successful AFC team against the Patriots since their domination the past two decades. The Bills aren't consistently competitive. They wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt with Lamar. I am a fan of the Bills. But those are the facts. Sorry eball. Don’t guess because that would be way wrong. Tom Brady has owned Baltimore with a 6-1 record in the regular season. Denver is the only team that has fared well at nearly 0.500 and then Miami. Baltimore has been more consistent, but they have also been in a division with Cleveland and not NE for the last 2 decades and that really impacts total wins and loses as much as anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think it’s not so much ‘Our QB doesn’t know how to grip the ball properly’ as it is ‘our QB doesn’t know how to explain things without sounding like he doesn’t know what’s going on’ type deal in Bmore. He really needs to change his grip. He grips at the end of the ball and also looks like he has no grip strength when you watch him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: He really needs to change his grip. He grips at the end of the ball and also looks like he has no grip strength when you watch him play. Good thing that OTAs means nothing. As much media as there is now, I miss the days when no one cared about practice. 2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Don’t guess because that would be way wrong. Tom Brady has owned Baltimore with a 6-1 record in the regular season. Denver is the only team that has fared well at nearly 0.500 and then Miami. Baltimore has been more consistent, but they have also been in a division with Cleveland and not NE for the last 2 decades and that really impacts total wins and loses as much as anything. The Steelers have been pretty awesome. The Jets and the fins suck. It balances out. The Ravens have been a good franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) The only way Lamar is going to win a SB is if the Ravens somehow re-create that 2000 Ravens defense. I thought Taylor had the worst field vision before I watched Lamar play. His throwing motion, feet, accuracy and field vision are easily the worst I have ever seen from a starting QB. If the Raven’s run a no huddle offense at any point during the season I will eat my shoe. Edited May 30, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup. Wasn’t very good like plenty of other rookie QBs. But isn’t making fun of a guy playing in the playoffs when you aren’t kinda like the dork at home making fun of people at the prom? I don't understand the implication that Bills fans should sit meekly in the corner and shouldn't dare critique other organizations or players. Where is that coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Still laugh remembering the small but might band who kept that thread going for months pumping Jackson pre-draft. 26 Cut 'n Paste thought Belichick was going to draft him! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, eball said: I don't understand the implication that Bills fans should sit meekly in the corner and shouldn't dare critique other organizations or players. Where is that coming from? Because the same fans criticizing Jackson cry when someone does that to Allen. I have my doubts about Allen, as I do about Jackson. But they played a year. It’s crazy to say how good they will be at this point. The only qb from that class I am pretty sure will be really good is Baker. The rest of a lot to prove. Just now, KD in CA said: Still laugh remembering the small but might band who kept that thread going for months pumping Jackson pre-draft. 26 Cut 'n Paste thought Belichick was going to draft him! He still played in playoff game! Why are people acting like he is the biggest bust ever? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because the same fans criticizing Jackson cry when someone does that to Allen. I have my doubts about Allen, as I do about Jackson. But they played a year. It’s crazy to say how good they will be at this point. The only qb from that class I am pretty sure will be really good is Baker. The rest of a lot to prove. And this upsets you why? Are you now the self-appointed arbiter of fairness in QB critiques? I can't wait to see the conversation in here when Mahomes and the Chiefs' offense regress this season -- which they are almost certain to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Still laugh remembering the small but might band who kept that thread going for months pumping Jackson pre-draft. 26 Cut 'n Paste thought Belichick was going to draft him! Lets not forget the Wrong Josh threads. Cut 'n Paste loved Rosen too. He gave up defending Rosen very late in the season. Oh and Jimmy Garappolo. Still lots of man love there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 hours ago, ScottLaw said: You'd def be hearing that if he was on the Bills.....but I think the Ravens and Lamar deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are a consistently solid football team who know what they are doing with respect to player personnel.... and Lamar was a big reason for why they made a run to the playoff spot last season. He's also the sole reason they did nothing in the playoffs. They bit their nose off to spite their face by keeping Flacco on the sidelines. Getting rid of Flacco was downright stupid. They way that Lamont needs to play football (improvise) is not sustainable. Never has been and will continue not to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s crazy to say how good they will be at this point. Why is it "crazy" to watch two players play, evaluate the context and progress, and make predictions about who will end up better? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because the same fans criticizing Jackson cry when someone does that to Allen. I have my doubts about Allen, as I do about Jackson. But they played a year. It’s crazy to say how good they will be at this point. The only qb from that class I am pretty sure will be really good is Baker. The rest of a lot to prove. He still played in playoff game! Why are people acting like he is the biggest bust ever? If you watch Jackson play it’s pretty obvious how limited his game is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Gugny said: He's also the sole reason they did nothing in the playoffs. They bit their nose off to spite their face by keeping Flacco on the sidelines. Getting rid of Flacco was downright stupid. They way that Lamont needs to play football (improvise) is not sustainable. Never has been and will continue not to be. Flacco was 4-5 and had the same qb rating as Jackson. Flacco is definitely a better passer but Jackson provided a spark to that team. 47 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Why is it "crazy" to watch two players play, evaluate the context and progress, and make predictions about who will end up better? We get offended because not everyone thinks Allen is going to be great. I’m sure Ravens fans can break down every throw Jackson made and find similar excuses where it wasn’t his fault. Our qb averaged 172 yards passing a game. It wasn’t exactly Baker Mayfield. I do think Allen will be better but glass houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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