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7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Doubt it was about $$. My educated guess is they maybe found out more about his bum shoulder and decided to pass. Which I agree with

I'm sure it played a part.

 

Guess they didn't think the risk was worth it.... but again the downside is simply cap space which they have plenty of. That's literally the only downside. 

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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm sure it played a part.

 

Guess they didn't think the risk was worth it.... but again the downside is simply cap space which they have plenty of. That's literally the only downside. 

They do have plenty of cap, but cap rolls over too. He knew how much he was willing to risk on the shoulder and stood by it imo. Stay flexible, maybe grab some camp/cap casualties.

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

They do have plenty of cap, but cap rolls over too. He knew how much he was willing to risk on the shoulder and stood by it imo. Stay flexible, maybe grab some camp/cap casualties.

They can do both. 

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29 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Bills did nothing but sign mediocre free agents,  other than the center there was really nothing to get excited about.  You win games in this league because of match ups and having guys who can make huge plays.  I don't see any of that and their draft was not much better other than first round pick, i thought with our record we really need to sign 2-3 big time players.  The DE Murphy who Beane signed last season is a classic example of the types of players Beane is bringing to Buffalo.  Guys who come here because they don't have many other options.  

I totally agree. Beane has not demonstrated he can close the deal on any type of player beyond mediocre without over paying.

I am a Murphy fan and I believe he can get you 8-10 sacks when healthy. With that being said I will still be excited as I am always at the beginning of the season. Waiting to see the rookies.

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I love how judicious Beane is.  Beane and Overdorf will not overpay.  They already got burned with Murphy's contract.  Ansah might miss the first month of season.  That is not a risk I want to take.  August is a long time away.  I'm sure Beane has a plan B after Ansah

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24 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Bills did nothing but sign mediocre free agents,  other than the center there was really nothing to get excited about.  You win games in this league because of match ups and having guys who can make huge plays.  I don't see any of that and their draft was not much better other than first round pick, i thought with our record we really need to sign 2-3 big time players.  The DE Murphy who Beane signed last season is a classic example of the types of players Beane is bringing to Buffalo.  Guys who come here because they don't have many other options.  

 

 

Some of those mediocre guys are better than the bad players they'll replace.


The others are good depth guys.  

 

Overall, we're going to field a better squad this year than last.   And we're still looking at roughly $80 million in cap space in 2020.   Watching Beane work,  I've always thought 2020 was the year he'd field the team he really wants.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pete said:

I love how judicious Beane is.  Beane and Overdorf will not overpay.  They already got burned with Murphy's contract.  Ansah might miss the first month of season.  That is not a risk I want to take.  August is a long time away.  I'm sure Beane has a plan B after Ansah

The risk is cap space. 

 

When you have around $30 million in June then there really is no risk. 

3 minutes ago, VADC Bills said:

I totally agree. Beane has not demonstrated he can close the deal on any type of player beyond mediocre without over paying.

I am a Murphy fan and I believe he can get you 8-10 sacks when healthy. With that being said I will still be excited as I am always at the beginning of the season. Waiting to see the rookies.

He's way too conservative in FA spending, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The risk is cap space. 

 

When you have around $30 million in June then there really is no risk. 

He's way too conservative in FA spending, IMO.

That's great if we have $30 million in June.   We can carry that over next year.  There will be cuts, and possibly trades.  $30 million gives us lots of buying power.

And who would you have signed?  Beane did a great job of filling our roster with quality player.  He signed 19 players!  Trust the process

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25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They can do both. 

No, they can't roll over cap that they spend. There is no reason to spend more on a player than the value you have assessed them at.

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57 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Bills did nothing but sign mediocre free agents,  other than the center there was really nothing to get excited about.  You win games in this league because of match ups and having guys who can make huge plays.  I don't see any of that and their draft was not much better other than first round pick, i thought with our record we really need to sign 2-3 big time players.  The DE Murphy who Beane signed last season is a classic example of the types of players Beane is bringing to Buffalo.  Guys who come here because they don't have many other options.  

The biggest spenders in free agency usually aren't the most successful teams.

32 minutes ago, VADC Bills said:

I totally agree. Beane has not demonstrated he can close the deal on any type of player beyond mediocre without over paying.

I am a Murphy fan and I believe he can get you 8-10 sacks when healthy. With that being said I will still be excited as I am always at the beginning of the season. Waiting to see the rookies.

Uh, that's because everyone else is over paying. He wants to build the team the right way, which is NOT in free agency. Once our team is more set and we are missing one or two pieces that would put us over the top, that's when you'll see some big names in free agency. We are nowhere near that point.

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11 hours ago, Logic said:

 

 

#NobodyWantsToPlayInBuffalo

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I actually think the cap room we can carry over is better than signing Ziggy.

 

I've never really like Ziggy and now he is 33, can't play till maybe October, and will be in a whole new system.  There are multiple players on this roster right now that will contribute what Ziggy does this year.

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2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Bills did nothing but sign mediocre free agents,  other than the center there was really nothing to get excited about.  You win games in this league because of match ups and having guys who can make huge plays.  I don't see any of that and their draft was not much better other than first round pick, i thought with our record we really need to sign 2-3 big time players.  The DE Murphy who Beane signed last season is a classic example of the types of players Beane is bringing to Buffalo.  Guys who come here because they don't have many other options.  


You must be a ball at parties.

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2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Answer to what? 

 

Ziggy is a good pass rusher who typically doesn't stay healthy, but while he's healthy he is productive. 

 

That's a BIG if... we don't know the medicals.

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12 hours ago, whatdrought said:

That’s a sack inflated system. He could get 10-15 sacks and cash in big if he can stay healthy.

 

Yeah, I got to give a little bit of credit to One Bills Live, yesterday.

 

Before their broadcast I thought we we sure to get Ziggy.  After listening to their explanations for about 10 minutes (long before the thought of losing him came up), I thought to myself "Why in the world would he sign here?"  It just seemed like the possibility of a future pay day was better in Seattle's non-rotational (I know, I know, but you know what I mean), and less crowded system.

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2 hours ago, VADC Bills said:

I totally agree. Beane has not demonstrated he can close the deal on any type of player beyond mediocre without over paying.

I am a Murphy fan and I believe he can get you 8-10 sacks when healthy. With that being said I will still be excited as I am always at the beginning of the season. Waiting to see the rookies.

That’s why it is important to build through the draft, as Beane has stated before.

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3 hours ago, VADC Bills said:

I totally agree. Beane has not demonstrated he can close the deal on any type of player beyond mediocre without over paying.

I am a Murphy fan and I believe he can get you 8-10 sacks when healthy. With that being said I will still be excited as I am always at the beginning of the season. Waiting to see the rookies.

It's hard to attract players to a frozen tundra devoid of night life when the only thing you've done consistently over the last 2 decades is suck.

 

It's like trying to meet girls when you're a broke, overweight, 40 year old shlub working the Wendy's drive thru, driving a '97 Hyundai, and living in your mom's two bedroom apartment that smells like cat piss.  

 

You might find a nice homely girl who sees you as a viable option, and with a little confidence and charm may even luck into an emotionally damaged 7 rebounding from an abusive relationship, but you're not going to consistently pull healthy 9s until you up your game.

 

If the Bills start winning consistently it will be a whole lot easier to pull 9s.

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1 hour ago, Logic said:

You must be a ball at parties.

at parties? that cat would never be invited to a party, period.

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

That’s why it is important to build through the draft, as Beane has stated before.

Sure, but signing some good established veteran players is needed occasionally. Can't just rely on the draft.

 

Beane doesn't want to pony up at times.

1 hour ago, Logic said:


You must be a ball at parties.

I know.

 

Because critiquing a guy making the decisions who's proven nothing in the league isn't allowed here and means you suck and aren't fun as a person.👍🏻

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1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

That's a BIG if... we don't know the medicals.

No.

 

But like I said the only downside is less $$$ under the salary cap. 

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1 hour ago, Logic said:


You must be a ball at parties.

 

Give him a break.   He is from Niagara after all...

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43 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No.

 

But like I said the only downside is less $$$ under the salary cap. 

 

But that's what I'm saying: there is a potential downside of the injury not healing up, but nobody here can know that, either way. My argument is that there is a potential downside of the injury persisting, and us not getting sufficient value out of Ansah. 

 

I look at the money under the cap as a non-issue; not even a negative. We have it to spend, so I'm fine with spending it judiciously, as Beane has tried to stick to. 

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7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm sure it played a part.

 

Guess they didn't think the risk was worth it.... but again the downside is simply cap space which they have plenty of. That's literally the only downside. 

Rolling over 25-30 mil in cap space next year gives the Bills enough money to resign any of their own players and be aggressive in FA again next year if they want/need to be.  I'll take the extra cap flexibility a 1 year rental at DE with a bad shoulder.  The bills were in on Ziggy, Clark, and Clowney, I feel good they will address the DE position next offseason.  

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