WR draft prospects

[mrags]

Ok, let’s all assume we are going to be picking a WR. After Brown and Beasley it’s not a 100% guarantee like it was before them, but it’s still very likely. 

 

What we we don’t know is when and where we will be drafting one. It could end up being Metcalf at 9. Or the 7th round where we try and get an unpolished turd and try and make him something special. 

 

Lets Get your opinions on WRs. From the top down, who do you want, who you don’t want, what round do you feel they will be drafted, etc...

 

ill start, there’s a couple WRs I really like or would be glad they drafted. I’ll start by saying I DO NOT LIKE small, short, WRs. I don’t care if they can flat out fly. I don’t want another Parrish or Goodwin. If you do, tell me why you think he’ll be any different than other small speedy WRs that often end up on injury reports. 

 

-D.K. Metcalf (Ole Miss)- is a beast and will most likely go by pick 15 in the draft. He’s got the size and physical attributes to become the next dominant WR in the league. Of course he could also bust and have you wondering what happened to him in 3 years. 

 

-Hakeem Butler (Iowa State)- More like Randy Moss than Megatron. Just like Metcalf, this kid has all the tools to become dominant. Will he show it in the NFL or flame out? I have no idea at all where he will be drafted. Prolly rounds 2-4. 

 

-Anthony Johnson (Buffalo)- I remember hearing about him last summer and I made it a point to try and watch some UB games to see what he was all about. He was injured a bunch and I didn’t get a chance to see him at all. I think a mid to late round guy that could be decent in the league given the right situation. 

 

Your turn. Give me a few WRs that you’d like to see. Give a early, mid, late pic. 

[Misterbluesky]

13 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

 

-Anthony Johnson (Buffalo)- I remember hearing about him last summer and I made it a point to try and watch some UB games to see what he was all about. He was injured a bunch and I didn’t get a chance to see him at all. I think a mid to late round guy that could be decent in the league given the right situation. 

 

Your turn. Give me a few WRs that you’d like to see. Give a early, mid, late pic. 

Last May CBS Sports had him as high as #11.Leipold held him back,as you know,to be saved for a top bowl game,which never happened.Good news...Beane attended a game in person and gave him a positive report...which means nothing.

Face facts..he can burn,he sheds,is strong but his hammy is the issue.Yolo dropped him to the 4th round.

I would take him in a heartbeat with our first #4.

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Misterbluesky

[Solomon Grundy]

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

After the OL signings, I’m ok with Metcalf. I’d prefer N’Keal Harry, but not at 9. 

[glazeduck]

Great topic...

 

WANT

• Mid-first:
  • DK Metcalf -- a lot on this board don't want him, and I get it, but I want a dynastic Bills team, not a *good* team... I say swing for the fences -- that's DK.
• Late first/early/mid-second:
  • Butler -- tantalizing potential and not hard to see how a guy with his catch radius could help a QB with less-than-pinpoint accuracy.
  • Harry -- love how physical he plays. With Smokey and Foster stretching the sidelines, he could be a matchup nightmare against smaller DBs and/or LBs.
  • AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel -- smaller dudes but would be very happy with either. Brown just seems to be a natural, but I question his ceiling... I LOOOOOOVE Samuel. If we didn't have an entire roster of 6' WRs I'd be dying for him to join the Bills, but would ideally like a bigger dude.
• Mid-rounds:
  • Riley Ridley -- seems to have a safe floor and a high ceiling... may end up being a great value.
  • Mecole Hardman -- kills me that we signed Beasley to such a big deal because this guy is exactly who we need. Multipurpose weapon, great kick returner, innate ability to get open in the slot... Probably won't happen but he'll definitely be a fun one to watch.
  • Miles Boykin -- craaaaaazy potential, seems like the type of guy we could let grow slowly with 4 solid WRs. 
• Late:
  • Antoine Wesley -- poor man's Butler
  • Preston Williams/Anthony Johnson/Lil'Jordan Humphrey/Tyre Brady -- prototype big WRs with "artificial" (or at least superficial) deflation
  • Jalen Hurd -- just starting to play the position. Great athlete, big upside.

AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE

• First Couple Rounds:
  • JJ Arcega-Whiteside -- TE in a WRs body, one-trick pony (and that trick is starting to die out in the analytics-driven NFL)
  • Parris Campbell -- Speed blinds, drops nullify. 
  • Kelvin Harmon -- Separation is the name of the game in the NFL these days. If he was a Metcalf-like athlete he'd be a no-brainer, but bad athleticism coupled with poor ability to separate means trouble against pro DBs.
  • Isabella -- Sorry, just don't see it. If he was as good as many here think he is, we would've heard of him prior to the senior bowl. 
• Later: 
  • Hunter Renfrow -- Small hands aren't worth what he could produce... Not like he's the second coming of Randy Moss.
  • David Sills -- See JJAW, pedestrian athlete. As a UDFA, sure, but don't waste a draft pick on him.

[TigerJ]

If Buffalo does draft a WR, my preference would be that they pick up a guy with size to balance out the group some.  Robert Foster is not a smurf at 6'2" and Duke Williams has some nice size to him, but we could use a bit more.  There are lots of receivers in this draft with size.  I'm pretty intrigued by Miles Boykin.  He needs some development, but he's an elite athlete and has a great attitude.  There are other too.  It's not limited to DK Metcalf and Hakeem Butler.

[glazeduck]

9 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

If Buffalo does draft a WR, my preference would be that they pick up a guy with size to balance out the group some.  Robert Foster is not a smurf at 6'2" and Duke Williams has some nice size to him, but we could use a bit more.  There are lots of receivers in this draft with size.  I'm pretty intrigued by Miles Boykin.  He needs some development, but he's an elite athlete and has a great attitude.  There are other too.  It's not limited to DK Metcalf and Hakeem Butler.

 

We can always hope, but I think the best way to think about Williams is as a free lotto ticket -- don't expect him to be anything, but if he pays off it's (obviously) gravy...

[mrags]

32 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Great topic...

 

WANT

• Mid-first:
  • DK Metcalf -- a lot on this board don't want him, and I get it, but I want a dynastic Bills team, not a *good* team... I say swing for the fences -- that's DK.
• Late first/early/mid-second:
  • Butler -- tantalizing potential and not hard to see how a guy with his catch radius could help a QB with less-than-pinpoint accuracy.
  • Harry -- love how physical he plays. With Smokey and Foster stretching the sidelines, he could be a matchup nightmare against smaller DBs and/or LBs.
  • AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel -- smaller dudes but would be very happy with either. Brown just seems to be a natural, but I question his ceiling... I LOOOOOOVE Samuel. If we didn't have an entire roster of 6' WRs I'd be dying for him to join the Bills, but would ideally like a bigger dude.
• Mid-rounds:
  • Riley Ridley -- seems to have a safe floor and a high ceiling... may end up being a great value.
  • Mecole Hardman -- kills me that we signed Beasley to such a big deal because this guy is exactly who we need. Multipurpose weapon, great kick returner, innate ability to get open in the slot... Probably won't happen but he'll definitely be a fun one to watch.
  • Miles Boykin -- craaaaaazy potential, seems like the type of guy we could let grow slowly with 4 solid WRs. 
• Late:
  • Antoine Wesley -- poor man's Butler
  • Preston Williams/Anthony Johnson/Lil'Jordan Humphrey/Tyre Brady -- prototype big WRs with "artificial" (or at least superficial) deflation
  • Jalen Hurd -- just starting to play the position. Great athlete, big upside.

AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE

• First Couple Rounds:
  • JJ Arcega-Whiteside -- TE in a WRs body, one-trick pony (and that trick is starting to die out in the analytics-driven NFL)
  • Parris Campbell -- Speed blinds, drops nullify. 
  • Kelvin Harmon -- Separation is the name of the game in the NFL these days. If he was a Metcalf-like athlete he'd be a no-brainer, but bad athleticism coupled with poor ability to separate means trouble against pro DBs.
  • Isabella -- Sorry, just don't see it. If he was as good as many here think he is, we would've heard of him prior to the senior bowl. 
• Later: 
  • Hunter Renfrow -- Small hands aren't worth what he could produce... Not like he's the second coming of Randy Moss.
  • David Sills -- See JJAW, pedestrian athlete. As a UDFA, sure, but don't waste a draft pick on him.

So, admittedly I haven’t watch much of Harry. Wasn’t a fan of his from the first few vids that I watched. Also heard on the Metcalf reports that he was the opposite. Nothing but short screens and no deep balls. 

 

I’ll say this, after your post I really watched a few vids of him and man do I like him. I feel like it’s a toss up between Neal and Butler who may have the best pro careers. Completely different WRs honestly.

 

Butler reminds me so much of Moss how he is tall and lengthy. He will dominate in that kind of role. 

 

Neal reminds me of Julio Jones. Sees like he’s got all the tools and serious physical attributes to do it all. He’s not going to the the streak monster down the sideline that Metcalf or Butler can be, but he can do it all at a high level. 

 

Id be perfectly on with either of these guys in the mid to late 1st or anywhere after. 

[Chicken Boo]

We still don't have a #1.

 

It's D.K.  You don't pass on a talent like that, particularly when you have a need at the position.

Edited April 6, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[glazeduck]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

So, admittedly I haven’t watch much of Harry. Wasn’t a fan of his from the first few vids that I watched. Also heard on the Metcalf reports that he was the opposite. Nothing but short screens and no deep balls. 

 

I’ll say this, after your post I really watched a few vids of him and man do I like him. I feel like it’s a toss up between Neal and Butler who may have the best pro careers. Completely different WRs honestly.

 

Butler reminds me so much of Moss how he is tall and lengthy. He will dominate in that kind of role. 

 

Neal reminds me of Julio Jones. Sees like he’s got all the tools and serious physical attributes to do it all. He’s not going to the the streak monster down the sideline that Metcalf or Butler can be, but he can do it all at a high level. 

 

Id be perfectly on with either of these guys in the mid to late 1st or anywhere after. 

My comment on DK wasn't referring to deep balls, although he could absolutely be a deep ball nightmare... I was saying "go big or go home" -- go for the special player, not the really good one...

 

Butler isn't the athlete that Moss was and ditto for Julio and Harry. But definitely think they'll both have good careers. 

 

 

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

We still domt have a #1.

 

It's D.K.  You don't pass on a talent like that, particularly when you have a need at the position.

Medicals have to check out, but if they do, 100% agree.

 

I think you can even trade down and still get him.

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

My comment on DK wasn't referring to deep balls, although he could absolutely be a deep ball nightmare... I was saying "go big or go home" -- go for the special player, not the really good one...

 

Butler isn't the athlete that Moss was and ditto for Julio and Harry. But definitely think they'll both have good careers. 

 

 

Medicals have to check out, but if they do, 100% agree.

 

I think you can even trade down and still get him.

I know what you meant with D.K.  I’m all over on him. Was in love with him. Then o backed off after I thought about it. Then back on the train again. Then back off cuz I worry about the injury issues and lack of production in college. 

 

I know Butler is no Moss and Harrybos no Julio. I was simply saying that when watching them those are the guys they remind me of. Body style. Play style. Etc. 

 

Neal may be the best WR in the draft and might not even be close. 

[glazeduck]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

I know what you meant with D.K.  I’m all over on him. Was in love with him. Then o backed off after I thought about it. Then back on the train again. Then back off cuz I worry about the injury issues and lack of production in college. 

 

I know Butler is no Moss and Harrybos no Julio. I was simply saying that when watching them those are the guys they remind me of. Body style. Play style. Etc. 

 

Neal may be the best WR in the draft and might not even be close. 

I got ya... Yeah, I can see those styles being similar...

 

Honestly, I think Brown and Samuel are the best bets to be the top WR in the class but we NEED a physical big body. Of those 3, I do think Neal has the highest floor, without question...

[racketmaster]

I’d really like the Bills to find their way to AJ Brown even if it means trading back up into the back half of the first round. I think he will be a plug and play wr and a playmaker that our offense could use. His versatility to play multiple wr spots should also be appealing to Daboll. To me Brown is the best wr in the draft and the only wr I would take in the first round. there are some others I like in the second but if Beane could find the right trading partner I’d be really happy to land Oliver/Sweat and AJ Brown. That would be a homerun. 

[mrags]

24 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

I’d really like the Bills to find their way to AJ Brown even if it means trading back up into the back half of the first round. I think he will be a plug and play wr and a playmaker that our offense could use. His versatility to play multiple wr spots should also be appealing to Daboll. To me Brown is the best wr in the draft and the only wr I would take in the first round. there are some others I like in the second but if Beane could find the right trading partner I’d be really happy to land Oliver/Sweat and AJ Brown. That would be a homerun. 

Really liking Brown as I’m watching vids of him. He could be really good. Might be the best WR to come out. Has the size and speed. A true athlete. He seems like a good kid from a good family. Watching him play, he reminds me of AJ Green 

[NewEra]

look at our additions, I really don’t think we’ll be drafting any WRs in rd 1-3.  Maybe a late rd flyer on some upside.  

 

If we do draft someone, pray that they have great hands.  I’m not even worried about guys getting open.  Guys can be schemes open.  I think Josh will get them the ball.  They just need to be able to catch it.  

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

look at our additions, I really don’t think we’ll be drafting any WRs in rd 1-3.  Maybe a late rd flyer on some upside.  

 

If we do draft someone, pray that they have great hands.  I’m not even worried about guys getting open.  Guys can be schemes open.  I think Josh will get them the ball.  They just need to be able to catch it.  

Guess that means no Metcalf. Lol

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hockenson

Isabella

Sills V

Renfrow

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Guess that means no Metcalf. Lol

If he’s our guy at 9, I’ll be sad and shocked 

[BillsFan1988]

5 hours ago, glazeduck said:

Great topic...

 

WANT

• Mid-first:
  • DK Metcalf -- a lot on this board don't want him, and I get it, but I want a dynastic Bills team, not a *good* team... I say swing for the fences -- that's DK.
• Late first/early/mid-second:
  • Butler -- tantalizing potential and not hard to see how a guy with his catch radius could help a QB with less-than-pinpoint accuracy.
  • Harry -- love how physical he plays. With Smokey and Foster stretching the sidelines, he could be a matchup nightmare against smaller DBs and/or LBs.
  • AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel -- smaller dudes but would be very happy with either. Brown just seems to be a natural, but I question his ceiling... I LOOOOOOVE Samuel. If we didn't have an entire roster of 6' WRs I'd be dying for him to join the Bills, but would ideally like a bigger dude.
• Mid-rounds:
  • Riley Ridley -- seems to have a safe floor and a high ceiling... may end up being a great value.
  • Mecole Hardman -- kills me that we signed Beasley to such a big deal because this guy is exactly who we need. Multipurpose weapon, great kick returner, innate ability to get open in the slot... Probably won't happen but he'll definitely be a fun one to watch.
  • Miles Boykin -- craaaaaazy potential, seems like the type of guy we could let grow slowly with 4 solid WRs. 
• Late:
  • Antoine Wesley -- poor man's Butler
  • Preston Williams/Anthony Johnson/Lil'Jordan Humphrey/Tyre Brady -- prototype big WRs with "artificial" (or at least superficial) deflation
  • Jalen Hurd -- just starting to play the position. Great athlete, big upside.

AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE

• First Couple Rounds:
  • JJ Arcega-Whiteside -- TE in a WRs body, one-trick pony (and that trick is starting to die out in the analytics-driven NFL)
  • Parris Campbell -- Speed blinds, drops nullify. 
  • Kelvin Harmon -- Separation is the name of the game in the NFL these days. If he was a Metcalf-like athlete he'd be a no-brainer, but bad athleticism coupled with poor ability to separate means trouble against pro DBs.
  • Isabella -- Sorry, just don't see it. If he was as good as many here think he is, we would've heard of him prior to the senior bowl. 
• Later: 
  • Hunter Renfrow -- Small hands aren't worth what he could produce... Not like he's the second coming of Randy Moss.
  • David Sills -- See JJAW, pedestrian athlete. As a UDFA, sure, but don't waste a draft pick on him.

Not fair on Isabella he played at UMass not a school that's on national TV every other week . I would say he's been talked about plenty based on where he played. 

[GunnerBill]

I started the process of putting together a WR board back in November or early December believing it to be a deep group of potential NFL contributors but one lacking star true #1 NFL type. 

 

At that point the #1 on my board was the smooth, safe, solid but unspectacular AJ Brown. I have since watched a hell of a lot of tape and at different times have leaned towards Metcalf and Harry and others but when it came down to it and I went through my final film reviews I ended where I began. With AJ Brown as the solid if unspectacular WR1 on my board. 

[racketmaster]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

Really liking Brown as I’m watching vids of him. He could be really good. Might be the best WR to come out. Has the size and speed. A true athlete. He seems like a good kid from a good family. Watching him play, he reminds me of AJ Green 

If anything I’d compare AJ Brown to Antonio Brown. Green is taller and leaner. He is more of a long strider with his height and more graceful route runner.

 

With AJ Brown he is versatile like Antonio in that he can play inside and out. AJ is a little bigger and thicker than Antonio so he has a little less burst and shake to him. However, they both track the ball well and for shorter WRs make contested catches on the outside with their ability to track and position themselves and their excellent body control. They have excellent run after catch ability and they can turn short wr screens into chunk plays. DJ Moore is another player comp that comes to mind when I see AJ Brown play. I just really like him as a playmaker and think he could be a great fit in our offense. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by racketmaster

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

If anything I’d compare AJ Brown to Antonio Brown. Green is taller and leaner. He is more of a long strider with his height and more graceful route runner.

 

With AJ Brown he is versatile like Antonio in that he can play inside and out. AJ is a little bigger and thicker than Antonio so he has a little less burst and shake to him. However, they both track the ball well and for shorter WRs make contested catches on the outside with their ability to track and position themselves and their excellent body control. They have excellent run after catch ability and they can turn short wr screens into chunk plays. DJ Moore is another player comp that comes to mind when I see AJ Brown play. I just really like him as a playmaker and think he could be a great fit in our offense. 

 

Not sure I see the upside of Antonio in AJ. My comps as pros are Randall Cobb and Golden Tate. I think that is where you are looking at AJ Brown. 

[MrEpsYtown]

6 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Hockenson

Isabella

Sills V

Renfrow

 

Looks like the Patriots' receiver draft board. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[JESSEFEFFER]

Beane has said that he likes receivers that can win in different ways and I like Hakeem Butler as the down field, above the rim, body type that is missing from the wide receiver group.  He has a wingspan just short of 7 ft. but has some drop issues.  Looking at his catches, his QB under threw him a bunch and he would turn into the defender and out fight him for possession.  Also, those throws looked nothing like what JA delivers, so that may be a problem.  Here's a  link to a nice Giant's article specifically about Hakeem and other lengthy WRs in this draft.  I'd bet the Bills get one of them:

 

tall-wide-receiver-prospects

 

Butler looks to be moving up the board to late 1st round territory, so the Bills may not get a shot at him at 40.

 

[Franchiseneedsme]

Did this guy see Isabela's tape VS Georgia? He completely destroyed that secondary. And they were a top 5 team this year

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not sure I see the upside of Antonio in AJ. My comps as pros are Randall Cobb and Golden Tate. I think that is where you are looking at AJ Brown. 

I agree Gunner and he don't have the speed of Antonio. Cobb and Tate are perfect comps. Bills need big, physical. Speed with DK is an added bonus.

Edited April 6, 2019 by the skycap

[C.Biscuit97]

38 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I agree Gunner and he don't have the speed of Antonio. Cobb and Tate are perfect comps. Bills need big, physical. Speed with DK is an added bonus.

Harry of ASU or Butler of ISU.  

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I agree Gunner and he don't have the speed of Antonio. Cobb and Tate are perfect comps. Bills need big, physical. Speed with DK is an added bonus.

 

My issues with DK are inconsistency based. He is supremely talented but looks like an immature player still with inconsistent production and inconsistent effort. If the Bills traded back I wouldn't be as much against it as a shot on talent but if they took him at #9 I would hate that pick. 

[BillsfanAZ]

13 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

We still don't have a #1.

 

It's D.K.  You don't pass on a talent like that, particularly when you have a need at the position.

how many teams actually have a legit #1 WR? Many teams have won a lot of games without having a #1. 

[glazeduck]

4 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

how many teams actually have a legit #1 WR? Many teams have won a lot of games without having a #1. 

 

To me it's not (and never has been) about getting a "#1" -- to your point, that's a dying paradigm in the NFL. I've posted this before, but this is a great article that describes why: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/debunking-the-myth-of-the-weak-2019-wr-class.

 

To me, drafting DK would mean taking a chance on adding 3 VERY important aspects to the offense:

1. Big Play Ability -- we've got deep speed and guys who can win on short/intermediate routes, but we don't have a guy who can take a simple route to the house.
2. Reliable Target on important downs -- obviously this is all assuming he pans out, but sometimes in football, you just need to have a guy that you know can go get you a first down... Who is that guy on the current roster? DK is fast, strong and physical and he wins contested balls (love his quote, calling 50/50 balls "99/1" balls

No question, he comes with some risk, but so does Ed Oliver, Noah Fant, N'Keal Harry... and guys like Wilkins, Hockenson, and others come with limited upside...

 

As I said in my first comment in this thread, swing for the fences...

[BillsfanAZ]

2 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

 

To me it's not (and never has been) about getting a "#1" -- to your point, that's a dying paradigm in the NFL. I've posted this before, but this is a great article that describes why: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/debunking-the-myth-of-the-weak-2019-wr-class.

 

To me, drafting DK would mean taking a chance on adding 3 VERY important aspects to the offense:

1. Big Play Ability -- we've got deep speed and guys who can win on short/intermediate routes, but we don't have a guy who can take a simple route to the house.
2. Reliable Target on important downs -- obviously this is all assuming he pans out, but sometimes in football, you just need to have a guy that you know can go get you a first down... Who is that guy on the current roster? DK is fast, strong and physical and he wins contested balls (love his quote, calling 50/50 balls "99/1" balls

No question, he comes with some risk, but so does Ed Oliver, Noah Fant, N'Keal Harry... and guys like Wilkins, Hockenson, and others come with limited upside...

 

As I said in my first comment in this thread, swing for the fences...

Aside from being an athletic freak, what has DK done in college that says he will be an NFL superstar? He only had one decently productive season. The other seasons he got hurt. All the other top ten picks have been dominant in college for at least their senior season. I am not saying he wont be a difference making WR but AJ Brown has had twice the production. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Harry of ASU or Butler of ISU.  

Harry don't have the deep speed. Good route runner, RAC receiver.

[glazeduck]

6 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Aside from being an athletic freak, what has DK done in college that says he will be an NFL superstar? He only had one decently productive season. The other seasons he got hurt. All the other top ten picks have been dominant in college for at least their senior season. I am not saying he wont be a difference making WR but AJ Brown has had twice the production. 

First of all, college productivity isn't any sort of guarantee in the pros. Mike Haas won the Belitnikoff award and was one of the more productive college WRs of all time and he couldn't even hang on a practice squad. USC's Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, David Terrell, etc....

 

DK's productivity -- when healthy (especially when accounting for the fact that he was playing alongside 2 other NFL-caliber WRs) -- can easily be considered "productive". It's not like the dude chose to get hurt. Couple that with his physical traits and you have the makeup of a potential star wr. If you're drafting him, you're not doing it based on what he was in college anyway; you're doing it based on what he could be in the pros, which, if he gets there, will be another step or two above guys like Harry, Brown, Butler, etc.

Edited April 6, 2019 by glazeduck

[Solomon Grundy]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My issues with DK are inconsistency based. He is supremely talented but looks like an immature player still with inconsistent production and inconsistent effort. If the Bills traded back I wouldn't be as much against it as a shot on talent but if they took him at #9 I would hate that pick. 

Can be taught up, like Josh Allen was/is. Can't teach size, speed. Beane sees he's a hard worker and that T.O potential

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Harry don't have the deep speed. Good route runner, RAC receiver.

I think this is kinda overrated at times. Foster and Brown are deep threats.  Harry is a guy that gets one on one matchups and makes big plays down the field.   Admittedly, I’ve been a big fan of his for 2 years but his qb was trash.  

3 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Can be taught up, like Josh Allen was/is. Can't teach size, speed. Beane sees he's a hard worker and that T.O potential

Difference is TO was a 3rd round pick.  DK terrifies me.  I think he ends up being a Ted Ginn type player.  Not terrible but not worth 9 overall.

[glazeduck]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think this is kinda overrated at times. Foster and Brown are deep threats.  Harry is a guy that gets one on one matchups and makes big plays down the field.   Admittedly, I’ve been a big fan of his for 2 years but his qb was trash.  

It's true, Harry did not benefit from good QB play and despite a lack of deep speed (which, you're right, we already have on the roster), he DOES bring great YAC ability.  I'd be very okay in a trade down situation with Harry... 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Biscuit, DK QBs were terrible as well. Look what Shea Patterson did for Michigan. Yes T.O was a 3rd pick because teams did to him what they're doing to DK and because he played at a small school. I ask you if you had the opportunity to draft T.O or Josh Gordon with your 1st Rd pick, would you? Hypothetically speaking.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

It's true, Harry did not benefit from good QB play and despite a lack of deep speed (which, you're right, we already have on the roster), he DOES bring great YAC ability.  I'd be very okay in a trade down situation with Harry... 

 

I, personally don't see Beane looking for that. Not with Josh talent. They want to stretch the defense and have that guy that can make the 50/50 catch which DK has shown the ability to do.

[CEN-CAL17]

Preston Williams all day!

 

Snag him with our 2nd 4th round pick. He’s legitimately a early day 2 WR this year without the incident.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said:

how many teams actually have a legit #1 WR? Many teams have won a lot of games without having a #1. 

 

10 out of 12 playoff teams from this past season, for starters.  (Ravens, Patriots)

Edited April 6, 2019 by Chicken Boo