The Mueller Report. BREAKING NEWS: AG’s Summary Report Released. NO COLLUSION!

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, McGee Return TD said:

 

I don't sound like a Trump supporter, you mean?

You do not have to be. It is honestly good for the sub-forum if you are not, provided the lack of support isn't based on #OrangeManBad. IOW, when the lack of support is based on policy instead of, "He drinks diet Coke, not wine!" that is fabulous. Policy differences (no one likes everything)  form the basis for some great discussions. "I don't like his accent", does not. 

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

It is hard to take him seriously when he doesnt even understand what he is quoting

i mean, we all miss context at times, prolly me more so than most. however that post coupled with the others of his in this thread seems to suggest that there is some sort of disconnect going on.

[Bray Wyatt]

Just now, Foxx said:

i mean, we all miss context at times, prolly me more so than most. however that post coupled with the others of his in this thread seems to suggest that there is some sort of disconnect going on.

 

Yes and I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt, and if he is intellectually honest, he will go back and take a look and if he still doesnt get it ask a question.  Based on the way this is going the odds arent looking good

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

Hey Lenny, I have asked this but have not really gotten a decent answer.  You seem sincere.  I would like to ask you, what did the Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Page, Strzok, coup core actually do to stop Trump from getting elected?  I know about texts and suspicious connections, but what actions were undertaken to prevent Trump's election?

 

The coup didn't stop after the election -- it picked up steam. 

 

The entire origin of Russia gate starts here, in March of 2016: 

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

 

Page 82-84 specifically. 

 

That outlines the PROVEN (not speculation) charge that the administration was using the FBI and DOJ to illegally spy on Americans, including their political opposition. They used private contractors to do this, without warrants, in an egregious violation of the constitution and their oaths of office. 

 

What did the coup plotters actually do? There are hundreds of pages of this now in these threads which you never bothered to read. Here's the highlights: 

* Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok committed fraud against the FISC in order to engineer a FISA warrant on Carter Page in 2016. This was done to provide legal justification for the abuses detailed in the FISC memo above. 

* McCabe, Page, Stzrok weaponized leaks from their investigation and fed them to their media cut outs such as David Corn, Michael Isikoff, and Devlin Barrett to create a circular intelligence loop of scandal and innuendo -- which they then used as evidence to the FISC. 

* McCabe, Strzok, Page met with Christopher Steele a month before Downer spoke with G-Pop in London -- a month before Crossfire Hurricane was opened.

* McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, Page, Comey all worked with Christopher Steele (a foreign spy) to pay for Russian disinformation which they then inserted into the public discourse in an effort to smear Trump and provide legal justification for their illegal actions.  

* McCabe and Comey worked with Harry Reid, Adam Kizinger, McCain and other members of congress to inject the dossier into the mainstream and public record. 

 

That's just what I could get out before the light turned green on my commute. 

[McGee Return TD]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You do not have to be. It is honestly good for the sub-forum if you are not, provided the lack of support isn't based on #OrangeManBad. IOW, when the lack of support is based on policy instead of, "He drinks diet Coke, not wine!" that is fabulous. Policy differences (no one likes everything)  form the basis for some great discussions. "I don't like his accent", does not. 

 

Thanks. Can you point to the posts where I criticize Trump on something other than policy that led you to believe I am a fraud?

Edited May 3, 2019 by McGee Return TD

[Bob in Mich]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Nope. If you read Row, he's very smart sometimes, very odd sometimes,  and very sardonic sometimes. However, it is all under one account alias. 

You, however, simply sound like er, "others" who were banned.  

 

Comrade 33 is a Russian robot troll. That is why his posts are so strange.  Most of the comments are computer responses.   His posts are just meant to stir up people. 

 

Hey comrade, where do you post on Canadian politics ?  With your continuum of thoughts on American politics, you must be absolutely blowing up the Canadian political board.  What board is that? 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Comrade 33 is a Russian robot troll. That is why his posts are so strange.  Most of the comments are computer responses.   His posts are just meant to stir up people. 

 

Hey comrade, where do you post on Canadian politics ?  With your continuum of thoughts on American politics, you must be absolutely blowing up the Canadian political board.  What board is that? 

just don't mention the word 'prostate' to him. he might get all defensive and block you.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

Thanks. Can you point to the posts where I criticize Trump on something other than policy that leads you to believe I am a fraud?

Honest to Pete, buddy, I am not the person down here who is gonna take the time to do the "can you find" crap.  You started posting in PPP 21 minutes after you signed up on TBD. You sound like former banned members. You start nitpicking words... your entire "body of work" under this alias sounds like #OrangeManBad. If you do not mean for it to sound like #OrangeManBad, fix it by posting on sources, not on feeling. And if you do not know what I mean by that, go back and read the 63 posts you currently have - the ones that have to do with the Trump administration, and President Trump.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[row_33]

Mcgee is welcome to "ignore until the Bills win a Super Bowl" Island

 

many legends in their own minds in this club

 

the beauty is about 9 in 10 disappeared long ago from TBD...  :D

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

What is abundantly clear is that Barr is a political ally of the president.  The best that can be said about Barr's testimony is, if he didn't lie, he was certainly intentionally misleading.  He could have been much more forthcoming regarding his interactions with Mueller if his goal was to be totally transparent.  It appears to me that Barr wanted to maintain Trump's narrative of 'No Collusion, No Obstruction' for as long as possible for Trump's political benefit.

 

It was also very telling when he said 'WE did not waive executive privilege'.  He sees himself as the the President's lawyer and protector.  Trump finally has his Roy Cohn.

Bob, this coordinated talking point is all the rage on cable and network coverage of the hearing. It's the heir apparent to "the President's fixxer", a word made up paint someone in an unflattering light. It meant nothing but when repeated breathlessly and relentlessly sounds like a big deal. 

 

I used to watch Ray Donovan on Showtime. Now that guy is a fixer.  Got a body to get rid of?  Ray gets it gone. Need to rough up a group of ***** stealers targeting pro athletes for extortion? Hell's yeah you call Ray. 

 

Barr is apparently not the enemy of the president who appointed him.  This should come as no surprise to anyone. That he allowed Mueller to complete his investigation unencumbered proved he most certainly was not Trump's Roy Cohn.  

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[McGee Return TD]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Honest to Pete, buddy, I am not the person down here who is gonna take the time to do the "can you find" crap.  You started posting in PPP 21 minutes after you signed up on TBD. You sound like former banned members. You start nitpicking words... your entire "body of work" under this alias sounds like #OrangeManBad. If you do not mean for it to sound like #OrangeManBad, fix it by posting on sources, not on feeling. And if you do not know what I mean by that, go back and read the 63 posts you currently have - the ones that have to do with the Trump administration, and President Trump.

 

Pete is delighted with your honesty. If my entire body of work sounds like #OrangeManBad, you're unable to accept the opinions of those who disagree with you, and that's an unfortunate way to go through life. Have a good weekend Buffalo_Gal

[Bob in Mich]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Bob, this coordinated talking point is all the rage on cable and network coverage of the hearing. It's the heir apparent to "the President's fixxer", a word made up paint someone in an unflattering light. It meant nothing but when repeated breathlessly and relentlessly sounds like a big deal. 

 

I used to watch Ray Donovan on Showtime. Now that guy is a fixer.  Got a body to get rid of?  Ray gets it gone. Need to rough up a group of ***** stealers targeting pro athletes for extortion? Hell's yeah you call Ray. 

 

Barr is apparently not the enemy of the president who appointed him.  This should come as no surprise to anyone. That he allowed Mueller to complete his investigation unencumbered proved he most certainly was not Trump's Roy Cohn.  

 

Well, I am not sure.  I am having dinner tonight with Rachel, Wolf, Anderson, Ari, Mika, and Joy.  I will memorize what they tell me and get back to you.

[McGee Return TD]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Props to Graham for inviting Mueller to testify.

[GaryPinC]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Wow.  Who knew a politician could take an even handed common sense approach to solving a disagreement?  Go Lindsey!  He keeps getting better and better.

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Huh, after saying yesterday he wouldn't call him unless something happened in the House.  Lindsay is quite confident about what Mueller will say?

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Huh, after saying yesterday he wouldn't call him unless something happened in the House.  Lindsay is quite confident about what Mueller will say?

 

Mueller came out with this yesterday as well: 

 

 

 

Mueller is "deeply disturbed" by Pelosi's accusation. 

 

Let's see if the House still calls him.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

34 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Well, I am not sure.  I am having dinner tonight with Rachel, Wolf, Anderson, Ari, Mika, and Joy.  I will memorize what they tell me and get back to you.

I'm presuming you're dining remotely via GoToLiberalMeeting.com to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions, and that the fare will be a plant-based Kobe vegansteak and you'll be drinking non-bottled water from the tap? The carbon footprint of your  average winery is massive--but you know that. 

 

Oh, and ask Joe where he gets his hair done. Those hilites look very natural on a 64 year old fella. 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Mueller came out with this yesterday as well: 

 

 

 

Mueller is "deeply disturbed" by Pelosi's accusation. 

 

Let's see if the House still calls him.

Thanks for that. I was reading it on several forums this morning and trying to find the source. 

[Foxx]

25 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Mueller came out with this yesterday as well: 

 

 

 

Mueller is "deeply disturbed" by Pelosi's accusation. 

 

Let's see if the House still calls him.

oh Donner Party, we hardly knew you.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Hey Lenny, I have asked this but have not really gotten a decent answer.  You seem sincere.  I would like to ask you, what did the Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Page, Strzok, coup core actually do to stop Trump from getting elected?  I know about texts and suspicious connections, but what actions were undertaken to prevent Trump's election?

Roberto Duran...no mas! 

 

The record is clear.  It's been debated to death and back again.  I appreciate your acknowledgment that there may have been "texts and suspicious connections", and if that's all you see, why bother? 

 

I will say this, and it's where I started this journey way back when. Had the Democrat study group formulated a plan to out djt as a Russian asset in early 2016, and had they been successful in producing evidence that revealed that djt ans his people were actually Russian assets with treason on their collective mind, I would have regretted the choice I made to vote for him to begin with.  I would have stood shoulder to shoulder with you, Bob of Michigan, and called for his head on a stick.  I'm an American first my friend. 

 

That did not happen. It didn't come close to happening, because it didn't happen. It was a grand lie. 

 

On the flip side, I can't grasp how folks on your side accept this preposterous episode of political skulduggery as just another day at the office.  I understood it, somewhat, as it was playing out because emotions run high.  But now, I see similarities between folks who believe as you do and the jurors in the OJ murder trial did when he was acquitted--sometimes people rationalize they gotta let the bad guys do their thing for the greater good.  

 

To me, that's sad, and dangerous because when there are no rules, everyone figures they best get theirs in before the enemy gets there first.  We're never at the end of anything, we're just at the beginning of the next thing. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[GaryPinC]

32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Mueller came out with this yesterday as well: 

 

 

 

Mueller is "deeply disturbed" by Pelosi's accusation. 

 

Let's see if the House still calls him.

Good thing Lindsey gave him an avenue to do that if the House doesn't call.

[Tiberius]

40 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Mueller came out with this yesterday as well: 

 

 

 

Mueller is "deeply disturbed" by Pelosi's accusation. 

 

Let's see if the House still calls him.

Is there any serious news outlet you can point to to confirm this story? Or is this fake news? 

[Tiberius]

I mean its almost as if Mueller didn't write Barr a letter claiming his summary “threatens to undermine … public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

 

But we know he did 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I mean its almost as if Mueller didn't write Barr a letter claiming his summary “threatens to undermine … public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

 

But we know he did 

hey tibs.

 

you do understand that what he was referencing there is the media's portrayal of Barr's summary of the principal conclusions, right?

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

hey tibs.

 

you do understand that what he was referencing there is the media's portrayal of Barr's summary of the principal conclusions, right?

Seriously? I totally understand that Barr spun it that way, but that's not at all what the letter stated. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/mueller-letter-to-barr/index.html

 

"The summary released did not capture the nature, context and substance of the actual report." 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Seriously? I totally understand that Barr spun it that way, but that's not at all what the letter stated. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/mueller-letter-to-barr/index.html

 

"The summary released did not capture the nature, context and substance of the actual report." 

 

 

 

Barr released the entire report ... All of its context and substance in addition to the 19 pages Mueller wanted out there. 

 

This is a small hill upon which to choose to die. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Barr released the entire report ... All of its context and substance in addition to the 19 pages Mueller wanted out there. 

 

This is a small hill upon which to choose to die. 

Nothing on that supposed Mueller criticism of Pelosi? Fake news? 

[Foxx]

apologies if this has been posted already.

 

this is very pertinent. prosecutors seek to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, not to exonerate/make determinations of innocence.

 

 

https://twitter.com/goat_ramses/status/1124370200567009280

 

Letter Source

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Nothing on that supposed Mueller criticism of Pelosi? Fake news? 

not to worry, if it is true, you will see it splashed all across the 'verse in the days to come

Edited May 3, 2019 by Foxx

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Barr released the entire report ... All of its context and substance in addition to the 19 pages Mueller wanted out there. 

 

This is a small hill upon which to choose to die. 

Less of a hill, more of a crumbling speed bump in a long closed strip mall outside of Omaha. 

[Bob in Mich]

40 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Roberto Duran...no mas! 

 

The record is clear.  It's been debated to death and back again.  I appreciate your acknowledgment that there may have been "texts and suspicious connections", and if that's all you see, why bother? 

 

I will say this, and it's where I started this journey way back when. Had the Democrat study group formulated a plan to out djt as a Russian asset in early 2016, and had they been successful in producing evidence that revealed that djt ans his people were actually Russian assets with treason on their collective mind, I would have regretted the choice I made to vote for him to begin with.  I would have stood shoulder to shoulder with you, Bob of Michigan, and called for his head on a stick.  I'm an American first my friend. 

 

That did not happen. It didn't come close to happening, because it didn't happen. It was a grand lie. 

 

On the flip side, I can't grasp how folks on your side accept this preposterous episode of political skulduggery as just another day at the office.  I understood it, somewhat, as it was playing out because emotions run high.  But now, I see similarities between folks who believe as you do and the jurors in the OJ murder trial did when he was acquitted--sometimes people rationalize they gotta let the bad guys do their thing for the greater good.  

 

To me, that's sad, and dangerous because when there are no rules, everyone figures they best get theirs in before the enemy gets there first.  We're never at the end of anything, we're just at the beginning of the next thing. 

 

Glad to hear we are both Americans first. 

 

There was plenty of smoke around Trump and his team.  Failure to look into that smoke would have been malfeasance.  My God, you don't think there should have even been an investigation into the myriad of Russian contacts and accompanying covering lies!?  The Mueller report claims there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone.  As long as that is his conclusion, fine.  I accept that.

 

As I have said repeatedly, if there was misuse of the FISA process, let's get to the bottom of it, correct it, and if appropriate, punish any wrong doers.   

 

So what did they do to prevent Trump from getting elected?  You still did not answer my only question.

 

 

[Kevbeau]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The coup didn't stop after the election -- it picked up steam. 

 

The entire origin of Russia gate starts here, in March of 2016: 

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

 

Page 82-84 specifically. 

 

That outlines the PROVEN (not speculation) charge that the administration was using the FBI and DOJ to illegally spy on Americans, including their political opposition. They used private contractors to do this, without warrants, in an egregious violation of the constitution and their oaths of office. 

 

What did the coup plotters actually do? There are hundreds of pages of this now in these threads which you never bothered to read. Here's the highlights: 

* Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok committed fraud against the FISC in order to engineer a FISA warrant on Carter Page in 2016. This was done to provide legal justification for the abuses detailed in the FISC memo above. 

* McCabe, Page, Stzrok weaponized leaks from their investigation and fed them to their media cut outs such as David Corn, Michael Isikoff, and Devlin Barrett to create a circular intelligence loop of scandal and innuendo -- which they then used as evidence to the FISC. 

* McCabe, Strzok, Page met with Christopher Steele a month before Downer spoke with G-Pop in London -- a month before Crossfire Hurricane was opened.

* McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, Page, Comey all worked with Christopher Steele (a foreign spy) to pay for Russian disinformation which they then inserted into the public discourse in an effort to smear Trump and provide legal justification for their illegal actions.  

* McCabe and Comey worked with Harry Reid, Adam Kizinger, McCain and other members of congress to inject the dossier into the mainstream and public record. 

 

That's just what I could get out before the light turned green on my commute. 

What sort of traffic lights you sitting at?

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

23,200 posts by you in a little over 2 years... I'll let you do the math on how much time you waste here.

 

And your 66th post is wielding the "you post here a lot, you must have no life" sword.

 

Can't wait to see what you do with 67. Maybe tell everyone how collusion isn't collusion again.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

45 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Glad to hear we are both Americans first. 

 

There was plenty of smoke around Trump and his team.  Failure to look into that smoke would have been malfeasance. 

 

Smoke created by the CIA, FBI, DOJ and the Clinton campaign. They created it by using undercover assets to ENTRAP Trump and his team with "Russian connections" in order to create a legal pretext for their spying. They put the cart before the horse -- that's pertinent, no? 

 

(Of course it's not to you, you keep running from this fact)

 

45 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

My God, you don't think there should have even been an investigation into the myriad of Russian contacts and accompanying covering lies!? 

 

It was fake evidence, created to commit a fraud on the FISC by our intelligence agencies in order to favor one candidate over the other in a presidential election. 

 

Pertinent, no? 

 

(Of course it's not to you, you keep running from this fact)

 

45 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

The Mueller report claims there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone.  As long as that is his conclusion, fine.  I accept that.

 

That's not what Mueller said. He said there was no evidence and despite "opportunities to conspire/collude" the Trump team chose not to. 

 

If you accept this as fact, why did you refer to Barr's "no collusion, no conspiracy" as a narrative? It's not. It's factual. 

 

45 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

As I have said repeatedly, if there was misuse of the FISA process, let's get to the bottom of it, correct it, and if appropriate, punish any wrong doers.   

 

So what did they do to prevent Trump from getting elected?  You still did not answer my only question.

 

 If you were serious about this, you'd engage with the hundreds of pages of evidence which lays out this abuse. 

 

And I answered it for him -- even though you're asking the wrong (purposefully perhaps) question. 

 

* They committed fraud in the FISC. 

* They illegally unmasked innocent Americans for political talking points. 

* They conspired with foreign spies (from Britain, Turkey, Ukraine, and RUSSIA) to flood the American marketplace with disinformation. 

* They paid a foreign spy to create disinformation in order to help them perpetrate said fraud against the FISC. 

* They conspired with select members of the media and congress to inject bought and paid for Russian disinformation into the election cycle. 

* They lied to the public and Congress about when the CI investigation began (it did NOT begin in July 2016). 

* They purposefully kept information from the Gang of Eight in order to insulate their illegal activities. 

 

That's all before the election -- that was all done to cover up their own crimes detailed here which go back to at least 2012: 

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

 

After the election, they took it even further. 

41 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

What sort of traffic lights you sitting at?

 

 

Trying to make a left on Olympic in rush hour... LA traffic life is sloooooow.  

Edited May 3, 2019 by Deranged Rhino

[reddogblitz]

5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

my bad, by GW i meant George Washington!!!!!

 

My bad, I took GW to be George W Bush. So we agree

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Seriously? I totally understand that Barr spun it that way, but that's not at all what the letter stated. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/mueller-letter-to-barr/index.html

 

"The summary released did not FULLY capture the nature, context and substance of the actual report." 

 

 

Fixed it for you, you really suck at quoting.  Funny how one little omitted word changes the nature, context and substance of the sentence. 

 

Full quote:  "The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this Office's work and conclusions"

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, Kevbeau said:

What sort of traffic lights you sitting at?

He must be using talk-to-text. 

I'm no spring chicken, and I type >100 words a minute at a keyboard.

I do about 20 WAM chicken pecking with my thumbs on a iPhone (and I hate typing that way). 

[Foxx]

7 minutes ago, Nanker said:

He must be using talk-to-text. 

I'm no spring chicken, and I type >100 words a minute at a keyboard.

I do about 20 WAM chicken pecking with my thumbs on a iPhone (and I hate typing that way). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMtzx5UXvas

 

[Nanker]

49 minutes ago, Foxx said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMtzx5UXvas

 

I beat that shite every time. I’m a blur on the keyboard. :lol:

Thumb texting - not so much.