4merper4mer Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Since Beane has been here IMO he has been all about value. He has cut players with bad contracts, gotten guys like White that would be taken much higher now and used the UDFA process to great impact. 2019 is intersting for sure but so are the following years. This year we have a ton of cap $. We can spend that and plug holes at OL, TE, edge and others. WR might be tough along with LB. Turning to the draft, and no offense to these kids, but it is the most boring in history. These guys pretty much suck. We pick at 9, and it is already thinning out by then. I could see Beane pulling off a master stroke that looks bad at first but pays off for decades. Burn the value chart and trade all the picks to different teams for their corresponding pick next year. Spread it out so odds are that some of the picks will be high in their round. Trade the 9 to the Cardinals and we'll have a chance at #1 in 2020. Other teams might be Cincy, Washington, or Detroit. Next year trade Tua for multiple 1's. Package our 2 2020 2's and roll the dice on AB, get another UDFA like Wallace/Foster but at RB, LB and depth OL and we are set up for a decade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said: Huh I should have explained it better. We trade this year's 2 for a 2020 2. We take our own 2020 2 and the trade for pick to trade for AB post draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I disagree on the strength of this draft class. I think this is a decent draft - particularly defensively. There is a decent depth of offensive talent too, but it isn't at that elite end..... there are probably 25-30 offensive guys who belong somewhere from the back half of the 1st to the front half of the 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree on the strength of this draft class. I think this is a decent draft - particularly defensively. There is a decent depth of offensive talent too, but it isn't at that elite end..... there are probably 25-30 offensive guys who belong somewhere from the back half of the 1st to the front half of the 3rd. When the top non-QB O prospect aspires to Drew Bledsoe's lateral quickness, then it is time to think pragmatically and long term if you're Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Since Beane has been here IMO he has been all about value. He has cut players with bad contracts, gotten guys like White that would be taken much higher now and used the UDFA process to great impact. 2019 is intersting for sure but so are the following years. This year we have a ton of cap $. We can spend that and plug holes at OL, TE, edge and others. WR might be tough along with LB. Turning to the draft, and no offense to these kids, but it is the most boring in history. These guys pretty much suck. We pick at 9, and it is already thinning out by then. I could see Beane pulling off a master stroke that looks bad at first but pays off for decades. Burn the value chart and trade all the picks to different teams for their corresponding pick next year. Spread it out so odds are that some of the picks will be high in their round. Trade the 9 to the Cardinals and we'll have a chance at #1 in 2020. Other teams might be Cincy, Washington, or Detroit. Next year trade Tua for multiple 1's. Package our 2 2020 2's and roll the dice on AB, get another UDFA like Wallace/Foster but at RB, LB and depth OL and we are set up for a decade. Draft day 2. This time Staring Ralph Machio and Mr Miyagi. Lol? Edited March 5, 2019 by BillsFan1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 53 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: When the top non-QB O prospect aspires to Drew Bledsoe's lateral quickness, then it is time to think pragmatically and long term if you're Beane. Or just pick one of the top end defensive prospects that falls to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Or just pick one of the top end defensive prospects that falls to you? Maybe that lacks the same....flair to it? You get no extra style points for drafting an elite DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) So we stop doing what's been working and roll the dice on Anthony "I don't need football" Brown (after already having had Vontae Davis quit on them)? OK Edited March 5, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 If this draft class sucks so bad, why would other teams want to sell their draft picks for next year to get more this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 For some reason this is all I can think about during this thread lol 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Or.... (holds breath, coughs a little, and passes joint)... we could.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) This literally makes no sense. It’s not like we GAIN picks in this scenario, you’re just moving the picks to another year and hoping there’s better choices which you don’t know yet. Second it’s crazy to say this draft isn’t good. It’s also deep in areas we need help at. At 9 there will be blue chip prospects on the board too. We will never pick this high again for a long time either. Luckily there is less than 0% chance of this happening. Edited March 5, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 WTF did I just read? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Day drinking at its finest... In before chandler has to close it while he contemplates how to install a breathalyzer before OP can start anymore threads 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: This literally makes no sense. It’s not like we GAIN picks in this scenario, you’re just moving the picks to another year and hoping there’s better choices which you don’t know yet. Second it’s crazy to say this draft isn’t good. It’s also deep in areas we need help at. At 9 there will be blue chip prospects on the board too. We will never pick this high again for a long time either. Luckily there is less than 0% chance of this happening. Agreed. Picks are generally devalued 1 round so you are losing capital. Even if you were going up 1 round (2019 R2 > 2020 R1), it would be a bad idea. Bills need talent now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 You guys are nuts. This is TOTALLY going to help us lose more non-conference games. Oh, and Captain Andrew Luck can choke on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Agreed. Picks are generally devalued 1 round so you are losing capital. Even if you were going up 1 round (2019 R2 > 2020 R1), it would be a bad idea. Bills need talent now. Listen I understand that and of course Beane should take the most he can get but the point is to load up in 2020 and that might mean like for like even if it seems to be at a discount. Besides, it's not like we can get a "zeroeth" round pick for our 2019 1st. Anyway I think Beane needs to be a handicapper with the 2020 first and really try to get the #1 overall. Cincy? If we land the keys to Tua the haul could be amazing. The "now" talent comes from free agency, a possible trade for a guy like Brown and the UDFAs. We had two UDFAs from 2018 that would be drafted pretty high in a re-do. Beane should try to get more guys like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: . We will never pick this high again for a long time either. Luckily there is less than 0% chance of this happening. If we trade with a bad team we will get a high pick from them. That is sort of the point. Would you rather have Arizona's 2020 1 or a WR who can't move laterally any better than the 3:11 Amtrak? Am I sure this will happen? Of course not. It is probably low odds to completely come true but I think trading our 1 for Arizona or Cincy's 2020 1 could happen. In later rounds there could be different partners. The odds of it all happening are the same as the odds of someone doing a 7 round mock draft and nailing it, but still not less than 0%. Where did you get that math? 12 hours ago, wagon127 said: If this draft class sucks so bad, why would other teams want to sell their draft picks for next year to get more this year? That's why I think we have to entice them with perceived draft value chart value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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