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Looking Back I wish we traded for Mack

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1 minute ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

The reason the Browns didnt' make the playoffs was because Hue Jackson and not starting Baker Mayfield on Day 1.

 

 

Nah.  Mayfield had a great year, no doubt.  But they went 6-7 in his 13 starts.  7-7 overall in games he played in. 

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25 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

We should have drafted him, end of story. Gronk too. Homegrown elite talent does not come around here often. That's 0-2.  If the Sabres get Kane someday, at least that part will be forgiven.

I wouldn’t really call Mack ‘home grown’ talent.  He grew up in Florida.  

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2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Nah.  Mayfield had a great year, no doubt.  But they went 6-7 in his 13 starts.  7-7 overall in games he played in. 

 

That's pretty remarkable considering he was saddled with the worst HC of all time for a majority of that.

 

Tied the Steelers
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1 hour ago, BillsFan1988 said:

 

Most of these interior players don't even have 10 career sacks in college.  The outside guys there stats are nothing special.  I just don't see special players Polite not special, Ferrell & Sweat i would stay away from these prospects.

 

So first you were arguing they don't have the production and now you are arguing your eye test suggests they are nothing special. Which is it?

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3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yes because it is more important for us to upgrade our struggling D than our solid Oline and deep WR group.👍

Elite pass rusher >>>> oline and receiver.  Those groups can be very easily found in the draft.  The Steeelrs rarely ever draft receiver high (I think JuJu, who we passed on, might be their highest drafted Wr in a long time) but they always can find guys.  

 

In in terms of nfl team construction, the hardest positions to find are qb, pass rusher, and cb.  The rest of the positions can fall into place after you have those other pieces. Mack wrecks teams by himself and he loves Buffalo.  I would have definitely given up the 9th this year and hopefully something like the 20th (fingers crossed) or so next year.  Honestly, it’s pretty much a no brainer.

9 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I wouldn’t really call Mack ‘home grown’ talent.  He grew up in Florida.  

True but he became the player he is at UB.  The only reason a guy from Florida ends up at UB is because he wasn’t that great in high school.

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24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Nah.  Mayfield had a great year, no doubt.  But they went 6-7 in his 13 starts.  7-7 overall in games he played in. 

2-5-1 under Jackson. 5-3 under Williams. 

 

It’s not unrealistic at all for somebody to argue that Jackson’s coaching and sitting of mayfield is a primary reason they weren’t in the playoffs. 

 

Not sayinf they were some sort of shoe in. But it’s debatable they could have at least made it for sure. 

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31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Elite pass rusher >>>> oline and receiver.  Those groups can be very easily found in the draft.  The Steeelrs rarely ever draft receiver high (I think JuJu, who we passed on, might be their highest drafted Wr in a long time) but they always can find guys.  

 

In in terms of nfl team construction, the hardest positions to find are qb, pass rusher, and cb.  The rest of the positions can fall into place after you have those other pieces. Mack wrecks teams by himself and he loves Buffalo.  I would have definitely given up the 9th this year and hopefully something like the 20th (fingers crossed) or so next year.  Honestly, it’s pretty much a no brainer.

True but he became the player he is at UB.  The only reason a guy from Florida ends up at UB is because he wasn’t that great in high school.

Who had more pressures last season Hughes or Mack.  I would gladly spend the ninth overall pick on a pass rusher.  Just not the 9th next years first and a big salary, when we have so many holes to fill on the side of the ball that needs attention.  As to your other take on Oline you must be correct because everyone in the NFL has a great line correct.  

There is actually a shortage of Oline in the NFL at the moment.

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39 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The only reason a guy from Florida ends up at UB is because he wasn’t that great in high school.

Dental school?  Duff’s wings, Sheridan at Millersport?  Migh-tee Tah-co?  🤔

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12 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Who had more pressures last season Hughes or Mack.  I would gladly spend the ninth overall pick on a pass rusher.  Just not the 9th next years first and a big salary, when we have so many holes to fill on the side of the ball that needs attention.  As to your other take on Oline you must be correct because everyone in the NFL has a great line correct.  

There is actually a shortage of Oline in the NFL at the moment.

You enjoy your pressures.  I’ll take the guy who is in the discussion for DPOY every year he is healthy.  So would every non Bills fans.  

 

 

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Mack is a great player and would have helped the pass rush.  No doubt.  Even though the Bills apparently tried to get Mack, the Bills roster was lacking in many areas to make the move at that time imo.  The bills still need 1 or 2 young affordable playmakers on defense, DE/OLB.

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4 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

When u have a great player like this that wants to be in Buffalo wants to play for Buffalo and all it takes was 2 first rd pks and some cap space . Man we made a huge mistake not trading for Khalil .  Now we might spend this first on a DE that can't even play in the NFL. This class of DE's especially the ones projected to be on the board at #9 is not very good in my opinion. 

 

Just to think our defense finished #2 in the NFL but we only had 26 sacks on the season. Had we made that trade I think we had 50sks on the season and probably would of won 9 if not 10gms last yr. 

 

I realize Beane wants to build threw the draft but trading for Mack could of opened many doors for us especially in free agency.  I really believe players would look at the Bills as a prime destination.  We still would probably have close to 70mil to fill the holes. I'm pretty sure the Bills kicked the tires on Mack but weren't ready to pay the draft compensation required by the Raiders.

 

Looking back man I wish we traded for Mack.

 

In the illustrious words of the late Gord Downie, no one's interested in something you didn't do. Really? A huge mistake?

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3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills tried to trade for Mack. The Raiders wanted to trade him out of conference. 

We did? 

 

edit: Ah you provided a link too later in the thread. You are the best!

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The Raiders are going to end up in great shape. Instead of winning 1 or 2 more games (maybe) now they are loaded with firsts. 

But, if true, they would be in even better shape if they had accepted the Jets offer. 

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One thing the OP has forgotten: At the time of the trade from Oakland to Chicago, the Bills were thinking they could have one of the worst teams in the NFL, while the Bears were thinking they could be a playoff contender with Mack.  What that means is the Bears believed they'd be offering the Raiders lower 1st round picks.  The Bills, on the other hand had serious deficiencies on offense & couldn't afford to risk what could be a top 5 pick, maybe even the #1 pick this year & another 1st rounder next year to get Mack.  As it turned out the Bears were who they thought they were & ended up in the playoffs, the Bills actually overachieved to get 6 wins and the 9th pick.  If the Bills had ended up with a top 5 pick or the top pick they would have been in a great spot to trade down for some serious picks, at 9 not so much.  So now the risk doesn't appear to be as severe, but at the time of the trade, the idea of giving up this year's #1 was viewed as too much for any one player who would do nothing to fill the serious voids on offense.  

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Bills fans have extra love for Mack because he is so complimentary about Buffalo. It makes a lot of you guys feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why would the Raiders care if Mack was on the Bills?  How would that hurt them?

 

 

 

Mack would not have made the Browns a SB this year.  Bears are better overall and they were not a serious contender this past season, it turns out.

I disagree I think u add Mack to Browns there much better then Mack on Bears. Imagine Garrett and Mack coming at u ? Plus Mayfield to me is light yrs ahead of Trubisky as a QB. 

20 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

One thing the OP has forgotten: At the time of the trade from Oakland to Chicago, the Bills were thinking they could have one of the worst teams in the NFL, while the Bears were thinking they could be a playoff contender with Mack.  What that means is the Bears believed they'd be offering the Raiders lower 1st round picks.  The Bills, on the other hand had serious deficiencies on offense & couldn't afford to risk what could be a top 5 pick, maybe even the #1 pick this year & another 1st rounder next year to get Mack.  As it turned out the Bears were who they thought they were & ended up in the playoffs, the Bills actually overachieved to get 6 wins and the 9th pick.  If the Bills had ended up with a top 5 pick or the top pick they would have been in a great spot to trade down for some serious picks, at 9 not so much.  So now the risk doesn't appear to be as severe, but at the time of the trade, the idea of giving up this year's #1 was viewed as too much for any one player who would do nothing to fill the serious voids on offense.  

Another miscalculation by our front office coaching staff not knowing what they have was better then the worse start team in the league.

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Trading for Mack will hurt Chicago in the long run.  in a few years they will need to pay Trubisky.  You cannot give them both 100M dollar deals.  At that point Mack is out the door and you lost two first round picks.  he litterly has to give you a championship or it's not worth it.  

no defensive player is worth that kind of money.  Ask the Patriots.

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Sure he is a generational player that only comes along once in a lifetime a LT or a Jerry Rice type of player & it would be great to see him making plays in a Bills uni, but given the way the NFL has gone i would rather get 3 players that can help the team & do as much like we had in the 90's .

 

I would rather have Talley, Biscuit, & Conlan for 5 yrs on a reasonable contract than mack & 2 under achieving LB's to be taken advantage of by the likes of a really good offensive coach . Even though those  guys will get beat from time to time i think they would win more than lose but i have seen Mack & other great players get taken out of a game with great planning ...

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Oh I'd definitely have traded two firsts for Mack as well if Oakland would have been willing to trade him within the conference.

 

If you aren't using your first round pick on a QB then it becomes the most overrated piece in the entire talent acquisition process.

 

That's not to say they aren't important but fans clutch to them like they are invaluable.......when in reality they just as often turn out to be Aaron Maybin or Donte Whitner or Shaq Lawson.........various levels of "meh"........as anything particularly impactful.

 

Mack would have been impactful on multiple levels..........great young player at the second most important position in football(pass rusher).........but also an underdog turned superstar character guy in the locker room........and a local legend who would have been a real "feel good" asset that fans could get behind.

 

Could have been a real feather in the cap of McBeane with the fanbase. 

 

The Bills have a bad rep for drafting poorly during the 2000's but they haven't been particularly bad in round 1.............it's just that they've had a tendency to pick a lot of low hanging fruit.   

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7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Oh I'd definitely have traded two firsts for Mack as well if Oakland would have been willing to trade him within the conference.

 

If you aren't using your first round pick on a QB then it becomes the most overrated piece in the entire talent acquisition process.

 

That's not to say they aren't important but fans clutch to them like they are invaluable.......when in reality they just as often turn out to be Aaron Maybin or Donte Whitner or Shaq Lawson.........various levels of "meh"........as anything particularly impactful.

 

Mack would have been impactful on multiple levels..........great young player at the second most important position in football(pass rusher).........but also an underdog turned superstar character guy in the locker room........and a local legend who would have been a real "feel good" asset that fans could get behind.

 

Could have been a real feather in the cap of McBeane with the fanbase. 

 

The Bills have a bad rep for drafting poorly during the 2000's but they haven't been particularly bad in round 1.............it's just that they've had a tendency to pick a lot of low hanging fruit.   

Mack started out great this past season, but after his mid-October ankle injury, he was not the same guy the rest of the way (he missed two games too). He was still good and made plays late into the season (and he played well vs Philly in the playoffs despite the stats), but the stand-out physical dynamism wasn't there. He should be fine, of course, but that injury did hamper him a bit down the stretch. 

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We can't force teams to trade with us. All 31 other teams would have been happy to capitalize on the dumb decision by the Raiders to let Mack go. As others have stated, if you are going to trade an elite player, you better trade him out of the conference and especially out of your division so he doesn't come back to bite you.

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2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Mack started out great this past season, but after his mid-October ankle injury, he was not the same guy the rest of the way (he missed two games too). He was still good and made plays late into the season (and he played well vs Philly in the playoffs despite the stats), but the stand-out physical dynamism wasn't there. He should be fine, of course, but that injury did hamper him a bit down the stretch. 

He commands a double team just by being in the field.  Injuries definitely hurt him but he is the main reason why their defense was 3 overall and had 36 takeaways.

 

its similar to when we got Mario.  Just his presence alone made the entire d line better.  It’s not a coincidence that Hughes, Kyle, and Dareus all had their best seasons when Mario was here.  That’s why a great pass rusher is so important.  They make the whole defense better.

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

He commands a double team just by being in the field.  Injuries definitely hurt him but he is the main reason why their defense was 3 overall and had 36 takeaways.

 

its similar to when we got Mario.  Just his presence alone made the entire d line better.  It’s not a coincidence that Hughes, Kyle, and Dareus all had their best seasons when Mario was here.  That’s why a great pass rusher is so important.  They make the whole defense better.

I agree that he's great, and he had a very good season overall. His September numbers alone (when he was completely healthy) were all-pro worthy. I'm just saying that he had a decent stretch this season where he was clearly not 100 percent. 

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23 minutes ago, kota said:

Trading for Mack will hurt Chicago in the long run.  in a few years they will need to pay Trubisky.  You cannot give them both 100M dollar deals.  At that point Mack is out the door and you lost two first round picks.  he litterly has to give you a championship or it's not worth it.  

no defensive player is worth that kind of money.  Ask the Patriots.

Who cares about the long run?  They won 7 more games than they did last year and had a chance to compete for the SB.  If Mitch is legit to earn that money, it will be his team).  But imagine the Bears if they just took Mahomes. 

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