New York State abortion bill now allows babies, At any point of pregnancy, to be aborted

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Always the clever retort. What's it like to be pro-murder, anyway?

 

Come now, you know they only get upset when children are separated from their families on camera and Obama puts them in dog cages for easy photography/manufactured outrage.

 

They care not one whit if a child is murdered off-camera.

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Hmmn, a turkey baster in order to ***** a Canadian? Sounds right.

You are ########. I understand your experiences with Canadian women (I'm guessing women)

[njbuff]

16 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

I don’t get how anyone can be for this. It’s beyond demented. Absolutely horrific. 

 

I don't get it either. But that is the Democratic Party for you.

[B-Man]

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

 

[Q-baby!]

 

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

 

Don't sell yourself short. Merica has been pretty good at murdering each other for long time!

Edited January 24, 2019 by BigMcD

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

 

 

I really do think it's the attempts at organizing the structure needed to eliminate races, traits, and people groups deemed undesirable.

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Was there ever though in NYS? I didn't think there was... 

(back to lurking in this thread)

 

No. A "person", as defined by the homicide statutes (NY Penal Law 125.05[1]), "means a human being who has been born and is alive."

 

There was a case a few years back in Genesee County where they ended up dropping the charges against a woman, who they suspected of killing her baby, because they could not actually prove that the child was born alive.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

This is monstrous and takes large steps toward legitimizing attempts on the lives of individuals administering abortions in the State of Vermont.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

This is monstrous and takes large steps toward legitimizing attempts on the lives of individuals administering abortions in the State of Vermont.

 

Nothing to see here. No guns involved. Just the further liberation of women by way of vacuum.

 

[bilzfancy]

26 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I really do think it's the attempts at organizing the structure needed to eliminate races, traits, and people groups deemed undesirable.

Sounds familiar doesn't it? 1930s Germany, and the left has the nerve to call conservatives Nazi's

[Numark3]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

 

 

Do you not see the difference between the two bills.  Or in your opinion, are they  the same in practice 

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Do you not see the difference between the two bills.  Or in your opinion, are they  the same in practice 

 

I see the difference you're pointing to, but it seems mostly like a charade. The health parameters in the NY bill are up to interpretation, and the reality is that that one little string of restriction will be clipped soon enough. 

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Here's a scenario to ponder:

 

A man does not want his girlfriend to have a baby that she is carrying. He punches her hard enough in the stomach to kill the baby inside. The woman is ok and has no physical repercussions. The woman does not press charges. What can the state do?

 

 

Make the man the next governor.

 

[Numark3]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I see the difference you're pointing to, but it seems mostly like a charade. The health parameters in the NY bill are up to interpretation, and the reality is that that one little string of restriction will be clipped soon enough. 

 

Yea I think that’s the difference in opinion for sure.  I don’t think it’s a charade and others do, that’s fair.

[whatdrought]

Just now, Crayola64 said:

 

Yea I think that’s the difference in opinion for sure.  I don’t think it’s a charade and others do, that’s fair.

 

The problem is that the legalization of abortion has been a march to this goal. The medical necessity, history shows, is an ever moving standard. Up to 12 weeks if medically necessary. Up to 24 if medically necessary. Up to 40 if medically necessary. It's all an escalation that is trying to get to the end goal of open abortions for any reason, at any time. 

 

Also, I echo what some of the above posters said- I have never seen a reason for a medically needed abortion in the third trimester. That's when the baby is fully formed and growing. If the baby has something life threatening, C-section is an option. Same if the mother does. 

 

The problem is that convenience and necessity is blurred, in my opinion. 

[Foxx]

33 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

Sounds familiar doesn't it? 1930s Germany, and the left has the nerve to call conservatives Nazi's

straight out of the Saul Alinsky handbook. accuse them of what you yourself are doing.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

17 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was really, really excited to put his pen to the state’s “Reproductive Health Act” Tuesday on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade — so excited that he ordered One World Trade Center and other New York landmarks lit up in pink (?) to celebrate, not unlike when President Obama turned the White House into a rainbow to celebrate the Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling.

 

That wasn’t all though; he had a video all made up to show how New York has led the nation in pro-choice legislation, and of course former New York Senator Hillary Clinton pops up to chime in with her two cents.

 

 

 

This guy is Catholic, right?

.

Not for long...

 

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/msgr-pope/cuomo?fbclid=IwAR0OB6NSyla1klUfdtPfvPwKcuQR6pIn-wyjli1H_RTU3rLzTok8Z9hypvA#.XElIT3AjdQY.facebook

[Joe Miner]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

This means a healthy, viable baby could be killed at 8 months, thirty days gestation. It means the abortion could be delayed or done in a manner to permit organ harvesting. It means that a fetus whose brain was sufficiently developed to experience pain could be torn slowly apart in the womb in the most agonizing manner. It would also allow sex-selection abortion and, if it were ever possible to determine, termination to prevent a gay baby from being born.

 

And what are we to make of this provision?

(c) A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.

At the very least, it would fully authorize the horrible fetal-part selling practices in which Planned Parenthood was caught engaging (the videos about which have now been validated by a federal court).

 

It could also permit odious practices beyond abortion, for example creating a free space for germ-line genetic engineering, as recently done in China. And what would prevent fetuses from being maintained in an artificial womb for purposes of experimentation — since they would have no rights, recognized human dignity, or legal status?

 

Don’t scoff. Experimentation was conducted in the late 60s on living fetuses. One 1968 study — on a 26-week aborted fetus kept alive for five hours in an artificial environment — even received the Foundation Prize Award from the American Association of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

 

Also note that there are no residency requirements. Since almost every jurisdiction in the world places restrictions on late terminations, Vermont could well become the viable-fetus abortion capital of the world.

 

The 91 authors of this bill — think about that — want Vermont’s public policy to state explicitly that unborn human life has no value or moral worth that any born person is bound to respect.

 

What are we becoming?

 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-bill-pushes-abortion-without-limit/

 

 

 

 

I guess Vermont really doesn't want any black people there.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Here you go.........................Keep your blinders on you PPP libs....................NO "health" reason needed.

 

 

 

Vermont Bill Pushes Abortion Without Limit

 

In the wake of New York’s radical abortion expansion, Vermont may soon enact a law that would have zero limitations on the abortion as to time, reason, fetal viability, or method. From H-0057:

(a) Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization.

(b) Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term, give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.

 

 

 

 

 

And don't forget: when the baby's born, you're not responsible for raising it, the state is.

 

Everyone has rights, no one has responsibilities.  The fundamental flaw of the progressive mindset.