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1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Nnnnnh. That depends on your definition of long-term.

 

30+ years and counting.

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Lunacy from the Left.

 

 

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Look at the byline.  That has selection bias written all over it.  They guy specializes in abortions performed specifically for the health of the mother.  

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11 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The sub headline is really bad news.  Many of the people in the world came into it via pregnancy.  I'm guessing it is at least 50%.  If that pregnancy to birth ratio continues the world's population could be in jeopardy.  Some of my math might be off a bit but it's still bad news.

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2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I'd be interested in seeing a study of those individuals given up for adoption to see how the decision emotionally impacted them over the long haul. 

Studies have shown that 100% of adoptees prefer adoption as the ultimate solution to unwanted babies. It is assumed that those aborted also would prefer adoption if they had a choice, believe it is no joking matter, and are inherently against having their legs pulled.

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2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I'd be interested in seeing a study of those individuals given up for adoption to see how the decision emotionally impacted them over the long haul. 

 

Adoption is not perfect either. I have a few friends/people I know that have adopted and the children have major behavioral problems. 

 

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/418230/

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2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Adoption is not perfect either. I have a few friends/people I know that have adopted and the children have major behavioral problems. 

 

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/418230/

No doubt about it. Life is hard sometimes, and since people raised by their biological parents can struggle, the same applies to adoptive parents and the children who were adopted. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No doubt about it. Life is hard sometimes, and since people raised by their biological parents can struggle, the same applies to adoptive parents and the children who were adopted. 

 

 

 

But the rate of problem children raised by their non-biological parents compared to those raised by biological parents can't be denied.  It appears that having the same DNA as the people that are raising you matters.   It's quite an interesting thing to think about and discuss.  The few people who I know intimately who have adopted?  Their children are completely ***** up. 

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My wife works with a foster children service,

 

99% of them are from parents unable or refusing to care for their children, 

 

they have multiple problems with their new "parents" as well as their old..........I do not concede that "adopted" children are worse off, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/21/2019 at 12:42 PM, DC Tom said:

 

It actually makes sense.  Women I know who've put up their kids for adoption have lived through their lives with the "What if?" and "Did I do the right thing?" and "Is he better off?" and "If I'd kept her, by now she'd be..." questions.  

 

Abortion is much more final.  Adoption, women carry the knowledge there's a living person out there that they brought into the world, but are not part of their lives, and have to live with being a "mother without motherhood."  From all I've seen, it's more difficult to deal with, long-term.

 

Yuuup.

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Another Narrative Busted: Record Number of Foster Care Children Adopted in Permanent Families in Alabama

 

Little, if anything the media and the outrage brigade are saying about Alabama’s bill or Alabama or the pro-life movement is true.

 

One of the worst and most dishonest arguments from the pro-abortion crowd is that pro-lifers don’t care about children once they’re here. A particularly grotesque argument maintains it’s more charitable to murder an unborn child who might be born into less than affluent circumstances than to ensure their life is protected and honored.

 

Alabama, who recently passed stringent abortion restrictions, fully intending to provoke a court battle, recently set a record for the number of foster care children adopted out of the system and into permanent homes.

From AL.com:

There were 710 foster children adopted during the year that ended Sept. 30, up from 509 in fiscal year 2017 and 502 in 2016. The previous record was 676 foster children adopted in fiscal year 2009, according to the Alabama Department of Human Resources, which oversees the foster care system.

“It sends a strong, wonderful message to all the foster care children in our state,” Ivey said at a news conference at the Capitol, where she posed for photos with children and their families.

There are about 6,375 children in foster care in Alabama. DHR Commissioner Nancy Buckner said about 70 percent of foster children return to their biological families.

“But those that don’t, they need their own loving caring, permanent family and that’s what it’s all about,” Buckner said.

Buckner said there were probably about 250 children in the system in need of adoption for whom DHR has not found an adoptive resource. Those are children whose parents have lost their parental rights. The number of children in that situation has been fairly stable — 234 at the end of fiscal 2016 and 236 at the end of 2015.

Buckner said the increase in adoptions in 2018 is the result of a joint effort that involves juvenile courts, probate judges, DHR and other partners.

“We recognize that children need permanency,” Buckner said. “We all need family. We need family connection. And we’ve all gotten together. We’re doing some partnership things together. So, we’re all on the same page and we’re trying to push permanency through.”

Kiss that narrative good-bye!

 

Alabama’s bill was sponsored by a woman, Rep. Terri Collins (R) and signed into law by a woman Governor, pushed by a pro-life movement spearheaded by women — not men in suits who know nothing about motherhood and all of its glorious and blessed struggles.

 

“This bill is about challenging Roe v. Wade and protecting the lives of the unborn because an unborn baby is a person who deserves love and protection. I have prayed my way through this bill. This is the way we get where we want to get eventually,” Rep. Collins told the Washington Post.

 

Little if anything the media and the outrage brigade are parroting about Alabama’s bill or Alabama or the pro-life movement is true.

 

As usual, the facts (and science) are not with the pro-abortion crowd.

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, B-Man said:

My wife works with a foster children service,

 

99% of them are from parents unable or refusing to care for their children, 

 

they have multiple problems with their new "parents" as well as their old..........I do not concede that "adopted" children are worse off, sorry.

 

 

Foster kids are a bit different than kids adopted early on.

 

The general perception is that adoption solves the abortion debate.   It does not, because adoption is not a panacea.

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51 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Foster kids are a bit different than kids adopted early on.

 

The general perception is that adoption solves the abortion debate.   It does not, because adoption is not a panacea.

 

and just because something is not a perfect liberal panacea doesn't mean it is 1000% useless and stupid and inhumane....

 

you have to live in the real world unless you have tenure or a plum gov't job

 

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33 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Foster kids are a bit different than kids adopted early on.

 

The general perception is that adoption solves the abortion debate.   It does not, because adoption is not a panacea.

I doubt there are any panaceas in life. You are right, adoption doesn't solve the abortion debate but it does mitigate it somewhat. My guess is that adopting a seven year old from foster care would be full of more fraught than adopting a newborn. Abstinence is the only way to fully solve the abortion issue. Lacking that, birth control would seem to be a pretty good substitute.

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By “parasites” they mean unborn babies in the womb.

 

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Your Tax Dollars at work

 

NPR Is Instructing Journalists On How To Make Pro-Abortion Reporting More Palatable

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/05/22/npr-instructing-journalists-make-pro-abortion-reporting-palatable/

 

The National Public Radio isn’t making it a mystery on where it falls on the abortion argument, but it’s not just promoting the idea that abortion is a positive thing, it’s instructing other journalists on what kind of language should be used in order to make abortion seem credible, and pro-life arguments look ridiculous.

NPR Editor Mark Memmott released a “guidance reminder” to journalists titled “On Abortion Procedures, Terminology & Rights,” wherein he advises what words to use over others in order to discredit the idea that a baby in the womb is a baby at all.

 

More at the link:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/21/2019 at 8:10 PM, DC Tom said:

Look at the byline.  That has selection bias written all over it.  They guy specializes in abortions performed specifically for the health of the mother.  

What I got out of the article is that he's making the argument about the ambiguity of what constitutes "a serious health risk" is in the law.  Could doctors in Alabama be prosecuted if they perform abortions citing a serious health risk and that judgment later being challenged in court?  It's a legitimate question.

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7 hours ago, B-Man said:

By “parasites” they mean unborn babies in the womb.

 

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Your Tax Dollars at work

 

NPR Is Instructing Journalists On How To Make Pro-Abortion Reporting More Palatable

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/05/22/npr-instructing-journalists-make-pro-abortion-reporting-palatable/

 

The National Public Radio isn’t making it a mystery on where it falls on the abortion argument, but it’s not just promoting the idea that abortion is a positive thing, it’s instructing other journalists on what kind of language should be used in order to make abortion seem credible, and pro-life arguments look ridiculous.

NPR Editor Mark Memmott released a “guidance reminder” to journalists titled “On Abortion Procedures, Terminology & Rights,” wherein he advises what words to use over others in order to discredit the idea that a baby in the womb is a baby at all.

 

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Without commenting on abortion itself, 100% of people should be able to agree that making that sign is simply wrong and that it is a sad statement about our society that those girls can proudly hold it up and smile.

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7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/parasite

 

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noun

1.  an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.  a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.  (in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

 

By their own argument, people on welfare have no rights?

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4 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/parasite

 

 

By their own argument, people on welfare have no rights?

 

And babies. And people in comas. And severely disabled people.  People in hospice.  Homeless people. The aged on their death bed. The list goes on and on.  And here’s the amazing thing. They are VERY proud of their stupidity. 

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1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

And babies. And people in comas. And severely disabled people.  People in hospice.  Homeless people. The aged on their death bed. The list goes on and on.  And heres’s the amazing thing. They are VERY proud of their stupidity. 

 

I wonder if college students are parasites...

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Disgraceful, but not surprising

 


 

 

 

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/colorado-secretary-of-states-office-asks-planned-parenthood-for-edits-on-news-release/73-ed6a8cfc-8da1-480e-ac7c-7a661bbbd91e

 

DENVER — Before Colorado's Secretary of State put out a news release calling for a boycott of Alabama over the state's new abortion ban, her office sent the news release to Planned Parenthood for suggestions and edits.

 

On Thursday, Secretary of State Jena Griswold (D) announced she was restricting employee travel to Alabama in response to a strict abortion ban signed into law last week.

 

 

 

 

"Whether you agree with Planned Parenthood's platform or not, I think we can all agree that we should not have our policies in the state dictated to us by special interest groups and lobbying organizations," Staiert said. "I don't think it's appropriate. I don't think it's ethical. I think it's wrong."

 

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We see who the extremists are !  Why are you whining about late-term ?  No one wants that.......Sure

 

 

Kermit Gosnell was convicted under Pennsylvania's Abortion Control Act for killing 21 infants in utero later than 24 weeks into pregnancy.

 

On Thursday, congressional Democrats reintroduced a bill that would invalidate Pennsylvania's abortion limit.

 

 

 

Should Any Late-Term Abortion Be Illegal? Democrats Won’t Say.

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Their bill would eliminate almost all limits nationwide.
 

Congressional Democrats responded to a spate of state laws aimed at restricting abortion on Thursday by reintroducing the Women’s Health Protection Act.

 

The measure wouldn’t merely prohibit states such as Georgia and Alabama from banning abortion early in pregnancy if Roe v. Wade were overturned. It would also invalidate most state laws limiting late-term abortion, including Pennsylvania’s 24-week limit, under which notorious abortionist Kermit Gosnell was convicted in 2013 for killing 21 infants in utero (in addition to his conviction for murdering three infants with scissors after they had been born).

 

Indeed, it would wipe almost all state limits on abortion, including mandatory waiting period and ultrasound requirements, off the books.

 

 

 

Federal control..............................that's the best way..........?

 

 

More at the link:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/democrats-late-term-abortion-position-increasingly-extreme/

 

 

 

 

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Democrats, the party of abortion

Washington Examiner, by Editorial

 

Original Article

 

Democrats are not primarily driven to defend workers, equality, the environment, the poor, the elderly, or any of the other things they often claim they’re fighting for.

 

They are, above all else, defenders of abortion on demand. The Democratic Party is, bluntly, an arm of the abortion lobby.

 

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which oversees party efforts to win House elections, last week announced that it was canceling a fundraiser for Rep. Dan Lipinski of Illinois. Lipinski once again faces a primary challenge based on the single issue of abortion. He is the last anti-abortion congressman in the party. 

 

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Does anyone see the irony? Alyssa Milano calls Jon Voight a has been.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alyssa-milano-calls-jon-voight-f-lister-trying-to-stay-relevant/ar-AABVb4g?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=HPDHP17

 

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Now I understand why Republicans like to discredit actors and our political views.

“Stay in your lane, Jon!”
“Has been!”
“F-lister trying to stay relevant!”
“Nobody cares what an out of touch actor thinks!”

 

 

 

Voight, 80, has played acting roles for five decades, including his quick rise to stardom playing in Midnight Cowboy alongside Dustin Hoffman in 1969, and he played prominent roles in Deliverance and Coming Home, which won him an Oscar for Best Actor.

Milano, 46, became famous for her role as Samantha Micelli on TV’s Who’s the Boss from 1984-92. She won favorite TV actress three straight years (1988-90) for the Kids' Choice Awards and won a pair of Young Artist Awards in the 1980’s for her work on Who’s the Boss.

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9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Does anyone see the irony? Alyssa Milano calls Jon Voight a has been.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alyssa-milano-calls-jon-voight-f-lister-trying-to-stay-relevant/ar-AABVb4g?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=HPDHP17

 

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Now I understand why Republicans like to discredit actors and our political views.

“Stay in your lane, Jon!”
“Has been!”
“F-lister trying to stay relevant!”
“Nobody cares what an out of touch actor thinks!”

 

 

 

Voight, 80, has played acting roles for five decades, including his quick rise to stardom playing in Midnight Cowboy alongside Dustin Hoffman in 1969, and he played prominent roles in Deliverance and Coming Home, which won him an Oscar for Best Actor.

Milano, 46, became famous for her role as Samantha Micelli on TV’s Who’s the Boss from 1984-92. She won favorite TV actress three straight years (1988-90) for the Kids' Choice Awards and won a pair of Young Artist Awards in the 1980’s for her work on Who’s the Boss.

 

She was great in poison ivy.

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Supreme Court upholds Indiana abortion law requiring fetal remains ...

 

After national controversy surrounding the Planned Parenthood abortion businesses’ sale of aborted babies and aborted baby body parts, then Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed into law a new measure providing that aborted babies may be buried or cremated.

 

The new law would help stop the kind of sale of aborted babies and their body parts that Planned Parenthood facilities in other states have been caught arranging. Although Roe v. Wade prohibits states from banning abortions, pro-life advocates in Indiana believed the aborted baby ought to at least be treated respectfully even if the abortion clinic treated the baby with disrespect before the abortion.

 

But Planned Parenthood sued to stop the law from being enforced and the lawsuit eventually made its way to the Supreme Court.

 

Today, the nation’s highest court issued an order allowing Indiana to enforce the law.

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why do they have to lie all the time defending abortion laws?

 

everyone knows it's demanding a free-for-all to do whatever the heck people want, under the most ghastly situations

 

just stop lying

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, row_33 said:

why do they have to lie all the time defending abortion laws?

 

everyone knows it's demanding a free-for-all to do whatever the heck people want, under the most ghastly situations

 

just stop lying

 

 

 

Lies like this ?

 

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Enthusiasm to pass abortion bans in Republican-dominated states provides stark contrast to the more muted efforts to protect abortion rights in states controlled by Democrats.

 


You lit up the God-damned Empire State Building to celebrate a law permitting abortion right up to the birth

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Also:

Notice the language. “pass abortion bans” vs “protect abortion rights”

That really showcases where the supposed ‘objective journalists’ stand.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Lies like this ?

 

 

 

 

You lit up the God-damned Empire State Building to celebrate a law permitting abortion right up to the birth

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no we didn't, we don't want any abortions at all.....

 

the lies are endless....

 

 

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Remember when abortion was supposed to be safe, legal, and RARE?

 

Seems our ‘pro-choice’ friends have tried to forget or completely do away with the ‘rare’ portion of the law. They had to know when they went to extremes attempting to legalize abortion up to and including birth the pushback would be monumental.

 

supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/052819zor_2dq3.pdf 

 

Clarence Thomas just now:
 

"Enshrining a constitutional right to an abortion based solely on the race, sex, or disability of an unborn child, as Planned Parenthood advocates, would constitutionalize the views of the 20th-century eugenics movement.”

 

"Given the potential for abortion to become a tool of eugenic manipulation, the Court will soon need to confront the constitutionality of laws like Indiana’s."

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14 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Does anyone see the irony? Alyssa Milano calls Jon Voight a has been.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alyssa-milano-calls-jon-voight-f-lister-trying-to-stay-relevant/ar-AABVb4g?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=HPDHP17

 

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Now I understand why Republicans like to discredit actors and our political views.

“Stay in your lane, Jon!”
“Has been!”
“F-lister trying to stay relevant!”
“Nobody cares what an out of touch actor thinks!”

 

 

 

Voight, 80, has played acting roles for five decades, including his quick rise to stardom playing in Midnight Cowboy alongside Dustin Hoffman in 1969, and he played prominent roles in Deliverance and Coming Home, which won him an Oscar for Best Actor.

Milano, 46, became famous for her role as Samantha Micelli on TV’s Who’s the Boss from 1984-92. She won favorite TV actress three straight years (1988-90) for the Kids' Choice Awards and won a pair of Young Artist Awards in the 1980’s for her work on Who’s the Boss.

 

Isn't he the star of Ray Donovan?  

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Clarence Thomas just now:
 

"Enshrining a constitutional right to an abortion based solely on the race, sex, or disability of an unborn child, as Planned Parenthood advocates, would constitutionalize the views of the 20th-century eugenics movement.”

 

"Given the potential for abortion to become a tool of eugenic manipulation, the Court will soon need to confront the constitutionality of laws like Indiana’s."

 

 

Please compare:

 

Justice Ginsburg

 

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2009/07/ruth-bader-ginsburg-and-question-eugenics-jonah-goldberg/

 

Here’s what Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine: “Frankly I had thought that at the time [Roe v. Wade] was decided,” Ginsburg told her interviewer, Emily Bazelon, “there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.” 

 

The comment, which bizarrely elicited no follow-up from Bazelon or any further coverage from the New York Times — or any other major news outlet — was in the context of Medicaid funding for abortion. Ginsburg was surprised when the Supreme Court in 1980 barred taxpayer support for abortions for poor women. After all, if poverty partly described the population you had “too many of,” you would want to subsidize it in order to expedite the reduction of unwanted populations.

 

Left unclear is whether Ginsburg endorses the eugenic motivation she ascribed to the passage of Roev. Wade or whether she was merely objectively describing it. One senses that if Antonin Scalia had offered such a comment, a Times interviewer would have sought more clarity, particularly on the racial characteristics of these supposedly unwanted populations.

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