BADOLBILZ Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Most of the people who looked at this year's - and next year's - roster spending realize that 2018 is very intentionally a rebuilding year. Those who have not grasped this before aren't going to grasp this now because we've added yet another thread. I think both of the past two seasons would be more aptly termed as "transition years". The transition between getting the players they want and learning their own limitations(like doing a 180 on the type of WR they want in mid-year 2 after a bunch of controversial WR decisions in year 1). But again........the Bills were between the 6th and 8th oldest team in the NFL in 2018.........they haven't been rebuilt per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think both of the past two seasons would be more aptly termed as "transition years". The transition between getting the players they want and learning their own limitations(like doing a 180 on the type of WR they want in mid-year 2 after a bunch of controversial WR decisions in year 1). But again........the Bills were between the 6th and 8th oldest team in the NFL in 2018.........they haven't been rebuilt per se. Correct, they are transitioning from a perennial almost .500 team that used smoke and mirrors for 16 years to keep fan interest into a committed and professional organization: it won't happen overnight! Now unload McCoy, Clay, Hughes, Alexander, and sorrrrry Kyle Williams! Business decisions outweigh emotional fan loyalty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Here’s broken position: The 32nd ranked punter in the NFL has a Net of 37.7. Our punter doesn’t have enough punts to qualify for that list, but if he did, he’d be special .... 36.6. You need an accurate list of useable punters, so we don’t get caught like this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, pop gun said: Here i'll go slower for you 14 - 18 r e c o r d 5 3 2 p p g f o r 7 2 6 p p g a g a i n s t doing a rebuild on purpose doesn't work in the nfl, show me where it has. The rams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, H2o said: Again with all of the p***ing and moaning threads all over I just wanted to remind everyone this is really the first year of a rebuild. It's all this player sucks, we whiffed on this person or that person, we should have done this, we should have done that, this coach, that coach, the GM sucks, fire someone, fire everyone, it makes this board hard to read anymore. We lost 2 good OL'man and traded away another for whatever reasons they had. We have a rookie QB without much help, but has still basically been the entire offense this year. We have a rag-tag group of WR's who have not done much to help said rookie QB. No running game. A defense that isn't having the same good fortune as last year. You can post your QB ratings and think it proves something, blame coaching, who we signed, who we didn't sign, blame the GM, whatever. We have a young team at many key positions right now, a FA period with $90,000,000 to spend, and 10 draft picks coming up in 2019. If this was the end of next year I would understand, but it's not. I hope Santa brings you guys some Preparation H and a 3 pack of Puffs with lotion for Christmas. Rebuilds only take 1 year so they better win next season. We are about to enter year 3... Edited December 24, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Rebuilds only take 1 year so they better win next season. We are about to enter year 3... Rebuilds do NOT take 1 year......reloads do...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Rebuilds do NOT take 1 year......reloads do...... Rebuilds do if the GM and HC are any good. Bill's are heading into year 3... hot seat time. Edited December 24, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Rebuilds do if the GM and HC are any good. You mean if they already have the talent on the team and someone else comes in and knows how to use it...... Once again....that is not a rebiuld What the bills are doing is rebiulding.....and several other teams have also taken multiple years doing it. there is no right way or wrong way to do this......as long as it get none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: You mean if they already have the talent on the team and someone else comes in and knows how to use it...... Once again....that is not a rebiuld What the bills are doing is rebiulding.....and several other teams have also taken multiple years doing it. there is no right way or wrong way to do this......as long as it get none Nope, truth is it shouldn't take long at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said: Nope, truth is it shouldn't take long at all. According to who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: According to who? You? Actually according to the NFL of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, pop gun said: Here i'll go slower for you 14 - 18 r e c o r d 5 3 2 p p g f o r 7 2 6 p p g a g a i n s t doing a rebuild on purpose doesn't work in the nfl, show me where it has. Bill Walsh in his book (The Score Takes Care of Itself) talks very eloquently about the intentional execution of his rebuilding plan for the 49ers. Walsh (as both HC and GM) went 2-14 his first season. But he got rid of his excuse-ridden vets and brought in a bunch of young guys who fit his culture. That worked out okay. When Pete Carroll and John Schneider took over the 'Hawks they turned over the entire roster in two years (save two players). All that transition was difficult and Pete had a losing record his first two years in Seattle. Then he won a SB in his 4th season. Are you saying rebuilds are never done on purpose but instead happen only by accident??? Edited December 25, 2018 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Rebuilds do if the GM and HC are any good. Bill's are heading into year 3... hot seat time. Highly dependent on existing contracts wrt salary cap situation.....and whether you already have a QB or need to go draft one. But yes, 2019 is a show-me year for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: The NFL agrees with me just fine......:) They dont which is why coaches get fired all the time after 2-3 years. Keep trying... Edited December 25, 2018 by Boca BIlls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 The problem is that the Bills have regressed so far this is a forever rebuild. Tell me how you fix this offense in one year? It's not gonna happen. Plus you have to start replacing players like Kyle Williams and Alexander. Beane has been wasting draft picks and creating too many holes to fill. No confidence in these guys. We've been rebuilding for two decades now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Duh. I'd like to see a better rebuild than meets the eye. And maybe there is one. But saying "reminder. We're supposed to suck" gives no indication of how we'll turn it around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Duh. I'd like to see a better rebuild than meets the eye. And maybe there is one. But saying "reminder. We're supposed to suck" gives no indication of how we'll turn it around. Supposedly a rebuild takes YEARS lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Supposedly a rebuild takes YEARS lol How long would you say the Browns have been rebuilding ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, Looper said: How long would you say the Browns have been rebuilding ? Decades... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Decades... Guess it takes longer than a year then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Looper said: Guess it takes longer than a year then ... Nope, just b.c you suck at it doesn't mean it takes longer. Edited December 25, 2018 by Boca BIlls 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Looper said: Guess it takes longer than a year then ... Just click your heels and wish upon a star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Supposedly a rebuild takes YEARS lol Not all rebuilds Bob! We gotta be hitting more on building part. I wasn't here for the late 80s Bills rebuild but I'm fine with JA we need to start hitting some future HOFers, grab some Thurman's and Bruce's if we're going to keep making this comparison. I'd feel more comfortable if our draft trade ups outside of JA were hitting more. I think we'd all agree if this rebuild is showing signs of improvement we gotta be a much improved team every year going forward. And we're not improving over the course of the season outside JA's post injury performance (with me optimistically ignoring the outliers.. he played some damn good games to warrant excitement) feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Nope Then the Browns should be in the Super Bowl this year with their current rebuild. Or maybe you should look at the Bills rebuild of the mid to late 80s. Edited December 25, 2018 by Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, Looper said: Then the Browns should be in the Super Bowl this year with their current rebuild. You proved me correct with how many HC/GMs the browns have been through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: You proved me correct with how many HC/GMs the browns have been through. There is no magic formula 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 We rebuild a team that has averaged 8 wins and made the playoffs last year. Genius!!! trust the process is a great way to get job security. “We had to completely rebuild things. We just need more time. Trust the process!” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Nope, just b.c you suck at it doesn't mean it takes longer. I don't want to suck at this Boca. S'all I'm saying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said: You proved me correct with how many HC/GMs the browns have been through. Since you are the rebuild genius, give us your detailed plan on how the Bills rebuild next year and win the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: We rebuild a team that has averaged 8 wins and made the playoffs last year. Genius!!! trust the process is a great way to get job security. “We had to completely rebuild things. We just need more time. Trust the process!” I friggin hate "trust the process" "Don't fire me for 4-5 years! You don't know what's brewing up in my plans yet!" = "Trust the [whatever a rookie GM/Coach is doing]" Not that I'm for canning one of the 2 (seems like I'm becoming the minority in favoring McD over Beane giving him crap to work with). But I'd start giving serious consideration if we are in fact not appearing to be drafting and otherwise acquiring talent well by next year Edited December 25, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I keep seeing the word "rebuild". I even saw the word "reload". all excuses for perpetual losing organizations. also, need to ask why the FO is "rebuilding" a team that made it to the playoffs the year prior? poor decisions were made by the coaching staff, and we saw how it played out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Supposedly a rebuild takes YEARS lol 4 minutes ago, Looper said: Since you are the rebuild genius, give us your detailed plan on how the Bills rebuild next year and win the big one. Keeping in mind that most of the work is done Mr. Boca since the rebiuld is already in process 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Looper said: Since you are the rebuild genius, give us your detailed plan on how the Bills rebuild next year and win the big one. We'd have to start from the beginning here bud. 2017. Not picking up from Beane's mid term plan. That's why we're stuck with him because he made this roster with any clue on how to get it out of the dumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I can’t wait til next year when if something goes wrong we will have posters arguing this was the tear down year and next year is the first year rebuilding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, timtebow15 said: The problem is that the Bills have regressed so far this is a forever rebuild. Tell me how you fix this offense in one year? It's not gonna happen. Plus you have to start replacing players like Kyle Williams and Alexander. Beane has been wasting draft picks and creating too many holes to fill. No confidence in these guys. We've been rebuilding for two decades now. You make it sound like Beane has a track record of wasting picks. He's been in charge of one draft. While the Bills have been rebuilding for decades, the current GM and HC have only a short time in their positions. Here's what Beane's accomplished so far in his short time with us. #2 defense in the NFL. #3 most cap space in 2019 #1 most cap space in 2020 10 draft picks in 2019 This year we had the lowest active roster spending in the NFL. Beane had exceptionally little money to spend on free agency by - as much as possible - taking hits this year to free up cap space for the future. So this season McD had a talent-poor roster to work with and never had a fighting chance. This year was all about making 2019 and 2020 good years. Let's see what Beane and McD do next year before judging them on a plan that was never designed to produce a lot of wins in 2018. $100 million in cap space and 10 picks in the draft can fill a lot of the holes you mention. And no team is entirely without holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Keeping in mind that most of the work is done Mr. Boca since the rebiuld is already in process Boca needs to call Bill Polian and ask him how long the Bills rebuild took after the 2-14 season in 1985. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Keeping in mind that most of the work is done Mr. Boca since the rebiuld is already in process That's where I'm criticizing and ceding to sticking with Beane since he threw his weight into this project that only he can get us out of. Not ecstatic about the roster which is where I begin to wonder how another GM may have fared in the project.. outside of my JA optimism. But he's the only guy with a vision to finish this 3 years in Nobody wants to pick up a rebuild half baked. Edited December 25, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: And how exactly do you know this team will be 6 and 10 next year? If they are, it's time to start our GM/HC and possibly QB search. None of us know how next season will turn out, but it's interesting to speculate. They could be 12-4 and Allen could be an All Pro and McDermott Coach Of The Year. Thank God the excuses will be gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 6:40 PM, Boca BIlls said: Yea rebuilds take forever.. Who said forever - just ain't happening in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Wow....Christmas really bring out the best in people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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