Tremaine Edmunds: He was the worst player on the field Dec 23 (vs NE)

[Fixxxer]

14 hours ago, PolishPrince said:

Honestly this. He is very good in coverage, and playing sideline to sideline... but when it comes to running down hill and shedding blockers he is pretty poor... No I dont think 1 more year suddenly changes this. Its a fearless mindset IMO that you either have by nature or you dont.

 

You're probably right, but maybe a kid that is 20 years old still didn't make the step of believing he can burry a 200 pounds RB into the ground with a tackle or that he can properly diagnose a play and beat the OL to it.

 

Maybe he needs an NFL off-season to keep growing. Physically and mentally

[4BillsintheBurgh]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

He was awful today.

 

Worst player on the field.

 

He's been poor most of the season and I think today was on par with or as bad as he's been all season.

 

Critically poor instincts........big target who can't get off blocks.........not strong or physical enough.......poor leverage........doesn't move well thru traffic........doesn't make plays in a scheme where he should be making a ton of them.

 

He's young........yeah........but this isn't the QB position.......good MLB's are almost without exception tremendous right out of the gate.

 

Don't be surprised if he's at OLB next season folks.

 

I was thinking he should be working the Oklahoma drill all camp next year. Of course I don't even know if they're allowed to run it anymore.

 

As I said in the other thread, it did look like he was getting up in the play during the last series. We'll see if the coaches can get in his head. Belichek can provide some learning moments in the film room so we'll see how Edmunds reacts next week.

[wppete]

Tremaine Edmunds is the hot topic after the NE game. He was awful and it’s very concerning.

[Lenigmusx]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea those were pretty bad examples.

 

Edmunds has struggled throughout. I've seen little to no progress since week 1. 

Kendrick’s could barely get on the field his first 6 games. 3rd down and Nickel only. No one thought he would be a competent Mike by year two or three. He had the rookie honors for his pass coverage and found a way to make a lot of tackles. His rookie expectations were lower so his achievements seem greater. Milano was not great last year either and this year he was a beast until injured. Edmunds will be a different player next year. Also I bet he plays 10-12 lbs heavier. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Lenigmusx

[Lenigmusx]

Through 15 games Edmunds stats:

 

109 tackles, 1 int, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles

 

Kendricks rookie stats:

 

92 tackles and 4 sacks, 0 ints, 0 forced fumbles

 

Posluszny 

 

26 tackles 3 games then the injury

110 tackles and 1 int, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles in year two and he was annoited a to MLB. 

 

Bobby Wagner Rookie stats:

 

tackles 140, 4 sacks, O ints 

 

statistically he is right there... I agree he was lost Sunday and in the GB and Jets games. The rest of the year he played like a talented rookie. Some good reads some bad. Post concussion he has played tentative I think the offseason will cure that. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Lenigmusx

[BillsFan1988]

16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

He was awful today.

 

Worst player on the field.

 

He's been poor most of the season and I think today was on par with or as bad as he's been all season.

 

Critically poor instincts........big target who can't get off blocks.........not strong or physical enough.......poor leverage........doesn't move well thru traffic........doesn't make plays in a scheme where he should be making a ton of them.

 

He's young........yeah........but this isn't the QB position.......good MLB's are almost without exception tremendous right out of the gate.

 

Don't be surprised if he's at OLB next season folks.

 

He's definetly playing out of position. He needs to be on outside for sure. Plus he needs to add bulk and strength.

[MJS]

15 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He's been trying to get through that walk since week 1 huh?

 

Nope. He's been a pretty good rookie player.

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27 minutes ago, Lenigmusx said:

Through 15 games Edmunds stats:

 

109 tackles, 1 int, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles

 

Kendricks rookie stats:

 

92 tackles and 4 sacks, 0 ints, 0 forced fumbles

 

Posluszny 

 

26 tackles 3 games then the injury

110 tackles and 1 int, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles in year two and he was annoited a to MLB. 

 

Bobby Wagner Rookie stats:

 

tackles 140, 4 sacks, O ints 

 

statistically he is right there... I agree he was lost Sunday and in the GB and Jets games. The rest of the year he played like a talented rookie. Some good reads some bad. Post concussion he has played tentative I think the offseason will cure that. 

Edmunds has more in common with Manny Lawson and Terrell Suggs than he does with Posluszny and Wagner. Guy is great in coverage, very good actually and I think he has untapped potential as a pass rusher. We need a pass rush, draft or sign a true MLB and send Edmunds after the QB. He actually has so much more value there. Put him in a position where he doesn't have to think so much and he can play faster. I actually think Edmunds is a better prospect than Josh Allen DE/OLB and he's viewed as a top 10 prospect. Edmunds absolutely can be an important cog in our defense and I understand why he was put at MLB and it may be a good thing, he essentially got a crash course on defense, put him outside and he will be all caught up mentally.

[MJS]

15 hours ago, CommonCents said:

It has nothing to do with a rookie wall. A

MLB needs to be crazy, he ain’t crazy. Put him outside and let him tackle with his arms.

 

Your "expert" analysis on what it takes to be a MLB is noted.

 

It's crazy to think that a rookie, 20 year old player will not have struggles and cannot improve.

[noacls]

13 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 And that's why the guy essentially was forced to retire in his late 20s. Teams don't employ that style of LB really anymore. Not as a starter or a large investment of draft capital or salary.

If you are talking about Spikes he played 15 years and into his mid 30's. 

[CommonCents]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Your "expert" analysis on what it takes to be a MLB is noted.

 

It's crazy to think that a rookie, 20 year old player will not have struggles and cannot improve.

Age isn’t going to make him more aggressive. Find me an above average inside backer that prefers tackling with his arms. 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, CommonCents said:

Age isn’t going to make him more aggressive. Find me an above average inside backer that prefers tackling with his arms. 

 

Find me one that doesn't. You want him to tie his arms behind his back and drop kick guys?

 

He's 20. He's learning the game. When you figure out things it allows you to play faster, more aggressive, and trust your instincts. He is worrying about his responsibilities instead of playing fast. When the scheme becomes second nature to him he'll show improvement.

 

And I don't know why I am arguing, because he has been a good player for most of the year, with a few rookie hiccups here or there. His play does not need to be defended.

[papazoid]

umm, he had 11 tackles

 

he will get better, stronger, smarter

 

I say this whole passing of the leadership torch has him slightly distracted on his individual assignments

[Jerome007]

18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The people who have been claiming Edmunds has been good are the same people who don't have a clue what they are watching.

He is weird in that he's been impressive in bunches and real bad in others. He has some tools like great speed and "sideline to sideline" ability, which is great for a MLB. and he's been calling plays in his rookie season. But yeah, he's also been blown off blocks too often, off target, easily confused. Some of that COULD be fixed through experience though. Don't forget that he could be a "victim" of the December rookie slump. These rookies go from a 10-11 game season to 16. Hopefully for us, it's that as he was bad yesterday.

[Jay_Fixit]

The takez in this thread.

[Logic]

To say that Edmunds has been just bad this year is incorrect. To say that he has been just GOOD this year is incorrect.

The truth is this: He is good in pass coverage but has much work to do with regard to run fits and shedding blocks.

Edmunds and his height, length, and ridiculous wingspan are big contributors to the Bills' league-leading pass defense. I do agree, though, that he leaves a lot to be desired with regard to stopping the run. 

Oh, and those who want to look at yesterday's bad showing from the linebackers need also to remember that Matt Milano -- arguably the Bills' best defensive player this season -- was out, and his replacement was UDFA Corey Thompson. That's a big dropoff and DEFINITELY contributed to the overall poor showing from the Bills linebackers.

I'm not absolving Edmunds completely, though. He DOES have work to do to improve his game. But to say he's been "awful" or a bust or whatever? Nonsense. Oversimplification. Hyperbole. Foolishness.

[formerlyofCtown]

18 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Time to panic and fire everyone I guess

He wasnt an All-Pro in his first season at age 20.  He must be a bust.  Fire the dwarf

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Edmunds has more in common with Manny Lawson and Terrell Suggs than he does with Posluszny and Wagner.

 

 

Manny Lawson is a great comp so far........super long freak athlete first round pick.......with poor instincts.

 

Lawson flashed similar potential as an OLB in his rookie year and it was assumed he would just get better...........but he never overcame that lack of instinctive feel for the game so he never came close to reaching expectations.

 

I would hope that Edmunds could be much better but that's the risk you take when projecting athletes.    It was a bad draft for pass rushers and pass rushers are second only to QB in terms of value so you gotta' try to get potential impact ones when you get a chance.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

22 minutes ago, Logic said:

To say that Edmunds has been just bad this year is incorrect. To say that he has been just GOOD this year is incorrect.

The truth is this: He is good in pass coverage but has much work to do with regard to run fits and shedding blocks.

Edmunds and his height, length, and ridiculous wingspan are big contributors to the Bills' league-leading pass defense. I do agree, though, that he leaves a lot to be desired with regard to stopping the run. 

Oh, and those who want to look at yesterday's bad showing from the linebackers need also to remember that Matt Milano -- arguably the Bills' best defensive player this season -- was out, and his replacement was UDFA Corey Thompson. That's a big dropoff and DEFINITELY contributed to the overall poor showing from the Bills linebackers.

I'm not absolving Edmunds completely, though. He DOES have work to do to improve his game. But to say he's been "awful" or a bust or whatever? Nonsense. Oversimplification. Hyperbole. Foolishness.

 

 

Your response is the epitome of oversimplification.

 

Edmunds has not been good in coverage.   He's not been in receivers back pockets by any means and he's been utterly abused time and again on play action fakes.

 

You want to see good coverage from a MLB?   Go back and watch journeyman Julian Stanford's one snap in place of Edmunds in the Lions game.

 

Good reaction......strong close......hand in to knock the ball out at the sideline.

 

THAT is what is expected of a solid MLB in todays game.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Your response is the epitome of oversimplification.

 

Edmunds has not been good in coverage.   He's not been in receivers back pockets by any means and he's been utterly abused time and again on play action fakes.

 

You want to see good coverage from a MLB?   Go back and watch journeyman Julian Stanford's one snap in place of Edmunds in the Lions game.

 

Good reaction......strong close......hand in to knock the ball out at the sideline.

 

THAT is what is expected of a solid MLB in todays game.  

 

 

How do you like Edmunds as an EDGE? Do you think he can take over for Lorax? If he could just add another 10lbs he could be a nightmare for QBs. This is just speculation of course. Do you think he is simply out of position? Where do you think he should line up?