What's a common thread among recent Allen analyses?

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I know QB development is not linear but I'm going to be so depressed if he takes a step back v NE. I'm really ready for him to break out. I want everything to go his way. Him taking care of the ball, teammates not dropping passes and no penalties negating his big plays.

[Thurman#1]

11 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

You can put qualifiers on any victory in the NFL these days.  That’s like saying New England only scored 10 points bs Pittsburgh because Brady was injured

 

 

How come you didn't mind when he spun the Detroit game positively, saying in that game he thought Josh looked like a QB who could beat people from the pocket?

 

But then have big problems with me when I "qualify" things? Oh, yeah, things that are good about the Bills are OK, but things that aren't entirely positive must be attacked as having qualifiers. 

 

And Belichick feasts on rookie QBs.

 

 

 

[without a drought]

This one is so much better than all the others.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

I think his rapid progress has and will be between his ears.....as he learns to read coverages, protect the ball and reduce his alarming turnover rate.

 

his rocket arm and incredible legs will take him far......his accuracy is what will hold him back.

 

I view him as a solid starter (in the 10-20 rated area). can't see him reaching "franchise" level (Top 10).

 

I would  use high draft capital (1st or 2nd round) on another QB. injury is all to common for QB's in this league, especially one who runs as much as josh.

 

This seems like conventional thinking that Allen's on field performance to date has rendered obsolete.  And on a team with as many needs on the offensive side of the ball to waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on another QB IMO would be football malpractice. 

58 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

I know QB development is not linear but I'm going to be so depressed if he takes a step back v NE. I'm really ready for him to break out. I want everything to go his way. Him taking care of the ball, teammates not dropping passes and no penalties negating his big plays.

 

I don't see Allen having a passing game breakout Sunday with this current group of skill players.  If the Pats take away Allen's runs and Fosters receptions what's left?  A conventional running game in which the backs are either practice squad players or injury hobbled vets?  Or TE play that could be shut down by dropping your nose tackle into coverage (ok this is a an exaggeration but you get the point)  or a stable of WR's whose distinguishing characteristics are not getting open, not making tough catches and dropping passes?  Even a solid contributor like McKenzie may be playing hurt.

 

And on the other side you have a NE team playing at home and desperate for a win.  Bottom line is I fully expect Allen to take a step back on Sunday.  We'll have to wait until next year and the revamping of the offense for Allen to have a breakout passing game and to beat the Pats.

 

I hope I'm wrong though because it would be one hell of a Christmas present to beat the Pats on Sunday. 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

It's going to be interesting to see what BB wants to take away. More than likely it will be a scheme that limits JA's scrambling. Almost certainly someone will be spying Allen. But who will it be, a Safety or a LB? That will determine what level of the field has space. Can Allen read this and hit the open man? I think this game, because of how BB schemes, will tell us the most about how far JA has progressed imo. 

I suspect he'll try to take away Allen's runs and his intermediate to deep passes to Foster.  Achieving both things is very doable IMO.  Now if Zay Jones can hang onto the ball and Clay starts thinking about how big his contract will be next year on another team they might both have big games for the Bills.

 

In some ways Dabold is more on trial here then Allen.  I've seen enough to be very confident that no matter what happens over the next 2 weeks Allen is way ahead of schedule and has demonstrated that with further development he can be our franchise QB.  It will be interesting to see what Dabold tries to do on the road against a team being coached by one of the true defensive geniuses.  A good performance by Allen & the offense may reflect even better on Dabold then Allen. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

If you see him play, you appreciate his upside.  If you simply read the stats, you're doing yourself a big disservice.

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

the thing that worries me is that if shady plays (and he's gonna), that they feel obligated to feed him the ball....which means a lot of short gains on 1st and 2nd downs,

followed by 3rd and long blitzes.  ugggh......which also means allen running way too much.  it would be a nightmare for him to get hurt now. 

 

edit: i love shady but it seems like when he is in the offense is predictable, ineffective, unimaginative and boring.  expect to see a ton of 3 and outs

and josh running for his life and playing hero ball.   i hope i'm wrong.

Why would they feel obligated to feed him the ball noe when they haven’t fed him the ball all year minus the jets game

[Rubes]

Allen played pretty well -- at home against a sub-.500 team with a ton of injuries.

 

On the road, in the nightmare that is Foxboro, with a low-talent offense, against Belichick and Brady who are trying to avoid a 3-game losing streak?

 

I won't be too upset if Allen ***** the bed, like nearly every rookie QB seems to do there. He'll have his ups and downs, I'm just looking for more ups than downs. If he puts together a solid game I'll be overjoyed.

 

[PIZ]

5 hours ago, papazoid said:

I think his rapid progress has and will be between his ears.....as he learns to read coverages, protect the ball and reduce his alarming turnover rate.

 

his rocket arm and incredible legs will take him far......his accuracy is what will hold him back.

 

I view him as a solid starter (in the 10-20 rated area). can't see him reaching "franchise" level (Top 10).

 

I would  use high draft capital (1st or 2nd round) on another QB. injury is all to common for QB's in this league, especially one who runs as much as josh.

 

I've been thinking Trace McSorley would be a good backup QB.  He's smart, fits the process guy mentality, and is a good running QB who can also throw.

 

 

Trace McSorley 2018 stats:

 

passing:  2,284 yds.....16 tds....6 int

 

rushing:  723 yds.....4.8 yd/attempt....11 tds.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

I was initially really against playing Josh Allen this year......saw a huge upside kid but totally raw that really needed a year holding the clipboard

 

but now I look at it and the progression of this year was exactly what Josh needed...even without the supporting cast (which he did not have the injury though)

 

You could look at pre season and know this was going to be a down year for the team.....but you then looked to the offseason ahead and cannot hope but get excited....now you look at Josh Allen's progression and the offseason ahead and you have legit hope for the future.

 

Rumble young man rumble.

[Alphadawg7]

Allen has clearly made significant progress this year, he’s not close to the same player he was early in the season.  

 

Anyone who argues against this either is just trying to push their original negative opinion, only reads stats or has no idea what they are watching on Sundays.  

 

Bottom line is that he is not a finished product obviously, so it’s totally fair to not be convinced and still have doubts, but it’s complete nonsense to say he has not been making significant and measurable progress this year towards getting there.  

Edited December 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Allen has clearly made significant progress this year, he’s not close to the same player he was early in the season.  

 

Anyone who argues against this either is just trying to push their original negative opinion,

only reads stats or has no idea what they are watching on Sundays.  

 

Bottom line is that he is not a finished product obviously, so it’s totally fair to not be convinced and still have doubts, but it’s complete nonsense to say he has not been making significant and measurable progress this year towards getting there.  

I hear words like "advanced passing concepts" and get all excited!

[longtimebillsfan]

6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And the 14 points were aided in large part by two big PI's (43 & 23 yards).  

 

I really like Allen and defend him, but these receivers, the lack or separation, coupled with the terrible play calling and playing for 17-14 games doesn't help the development of the O.  Forecast Sunday is perfect to work on Allen and the offense.  

 

Would be nice to see 28 points and playing for 4 quarters.

I hope Bills fans don't get too down on Allen this week.  Belichick is smart enough to make it tough on a rookie qb.  This will be a tough test for Allen.  I expect to see him struggle in this game , maybe even a few ints.  It will be fun to see what he can do against the Patriots. 

[NickelCity]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Part of that is the rest of the team but I suspect part of that is Josh not being the accurate touch and timing short game passer (yet?)

 

I think he was 8/10 to open the Lions game using short/underneath routes. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

 

I think he was 8/10 to open the Lions game using short/underneath routes. 

 

Awfully small sample size, eh? Encouraging but would you argue he’s a seasoned guy in that regard already or that it’s a point of growth that he’s shown flashes of?

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Awfully small sample size, eh? Encouraging but would you argue he’s a seasoned guy in that regard already or that it’s a point of growth that he’s shown flashes of?

 

The entire debate surrounding Allen is a small sample size. From what I've seen, this was the first time that these routes were repeatedly available to him, and he used them well.

I've seen him overlook past these routes here and there in the past, but they were never a point of focus (from Daboll) until the beginning of this game (iirc). 

Edited December 20, 2018 by NickelCity

[John from Riverside]

Just now, NoSaint said:

 

Awfully small sample size, eh? Encouraging but would you argue he’s a seasoned guy in that regard already or that it’s a point of growth that he’s shown flashes of?

But is that really not the whole point?

 

Narrative "Josh cant throw short routes"

 

Then

 

He goes out and throws short routes in a game

 

The point being......the narrative's on Josh Allen are WRONG.......its a unique situation......he is improving by the game (and by no means a finished product which is what makes it so exciting)

 

 

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

But is that really not the whole point?

 

Narrative "Josh cant throw short routes"

 

Then

 

He goes out and throws short routes in a game

 

The point being......the narrative's on Josh Allen are WRONG.......its a unique situation......he is improving by the game (and by no means a finished product which is what makes it so exciting)

 

 

 

The point is we jump on any glimmer of shine as striking gold. Maybe it is, often it’s not. Come on John, you said we had a good group of wrs this year based on those glimmers. 

 

That hes done it is nice- but it’s still a long way to go. One would hope that our top 10 qb pick could physically throw short routes sometimes, it’s the week in and week out in meaningful games that he will have to prove. It’s not insulting to say he’s on track but still a ways to the finish line. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by NoSaint

[John from Riverside]

Just now, NoSaint said:

 

The point is we jump on any glimmer of shine as striking gold. Maybe it is, often it’s not. Come on John, you said we had a good group of wrs this year based on those glimmers. 

 

That hes done it is nice- but it’s still a long way to go. It’s not insulting to say he’s on track but still a ways to the finish line. 

I did NOT say we had a group of good WR......I said we found some possible diamonds in the trash bin.

 

Big difference there

[NoSaint]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I did NOT say we had a group of good WR......I said we found some possible diamonds in the trash bin.

 

Big difference there

 

Go back to the offseason John, you were pretty darn optimistic on the group. We’ve done this before, we don’t have to do it again.