CoachT Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: I'm not talking about trick plays at all. I am talking about plays like today where they rush people on and off, make weird substitutions etc. Or what they did with their formations in the playoffs a few years back. There is a lot of pre snap stuff. Just douchey stuff like that. Just play the damn game. The formation you're talking about was really completely legal. Teams run eligible tackles in HS. What the pats did was use 4 linemen. And turn an eligible player to an ineligible one. It was really the refs that messed up the ravens game by not announcing that a player had become ineligible. Again smart. Damn yall making me defend the pats lol. But these are just bad example 5 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: No but the rub pick play they always do on every critical pass play for 10 years finally got called on them today. Should be a staple of every team, severely underutilized. Allowed to pick inside 1 yard of the LOS, almost impossible to stop. Pats just push that to 2,3,4 or 5 yards downfield and never get called for it. Ti today. I agree. I'm surprised it hasn't caught on like some of the other fads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Cheats had 4th and 1 at midfield against the Squeelers. With :25 on the play clock, Brady pats the center on the ass, and they run off the field and run the punt team on. Squeelers confused, they keep the D out there, not realizing that the Cheats MUST give the Squeelers an equal chance to substitute. All the announcers could do was ballwash Belicheat, instead of pointing out how illegal that play was. Just so sick and tired of the praise heaped on Belicheat when he finds new and innovative ways to cheat. If you're that good, why don't you just beat teams straight up, you cheating ass *****!? Did you just start watching football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: Of course I hate them, As any true Bills fan should. Misdirection and offensive creativity on the field during play has nothing to do with what I was talking about. If Bellichick was the genius coach that he is lauded to be then why the need for all this stuff? That’s just part of being smarter than the opponent. Don’t get mad at that, BEAT that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: How was that illegal though? If Pitrsburgh wanted to substitute I’m pretty sure the refs would have granted it to them but they didn’t and they didn’t call a timeout either. Correct me if I’m wrong of course as I’m not 100 percent sure. But I dont think there was anything illegal about it Technically if they don’t make an attempt to substitute then your right. But with like 10 secs left on the play clock, it was obvious the Cheatriots were either attempting to catch them off or make them use a late time out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, WideNine said: Belicheat does always just flirt with pushing the boundaries of cheating, and straight-up will cheat if he thinks he can get away with it. Is what it is, I still remember him fouling up our no-huddle as the defensive coordinator of the Giants in our first SB, where his players would feign injury to do substitutions and then trot out fine the next play. The following year (I think) they added a rule that an "injured" player could not come back in for a couple plays. Belichick's antics pretty much keep the rules committee busy every offseason plugging the holes he finds around the rules. I would praise him for being crafty, if he were our coach, but he sucks because he isn't. It’s interesting because he can say “well there isn’t a rule against it” as a defense, and that is true. The reason their aren’t rules for every specific situation is because most people function under the assumption that compeitors are going to act in a sportsman like manor. The bb’s of the world force the rules to be written because they MUST win, first and foremost and at any cost. This is not really what sports are meant to be, but at the professional level it could be argued that it is. It’s interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, CoachT said: The formation you're talking about was really completely legal. Teams run eligible tackles in HS. What the pats did was use 4 linemen. And turn an eligible player to an ineligible one. It was really the refs that messed up the ravens game by not announcing that a player had become ineligible. Again smart. Damn yall making me defend the pats lol. But these are just bad example No they are a perfect example of a douche play. I didn't say that they were cheating or doing anything illegal. They are a great team, why do they need to resort to this smarmy crap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: No they are a perfect example of a douche play. I didn't say that they were cheating or doing anything illegal. They are a great team, why do they need to resort to this smarmy crap? I remember it last year or a year ago where they would constantly announce someone was eligible on almost every single play. Then quickly sub that player in for another player that wasn’t, and vice Versa. It was a really douche move and while it is technically legal in how it’s done, it’s extremely shady, definately unsportsmanlike thaw way it was done, and borderline flat out cheating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, mrags said: I remember it last year or a year ago where they would constantly announce someone was eligible on almost every single play. Then quickly sub that player in for another player that wasn’t, and vice Versa. It was a really douche move and while it is technically legal in how it’s done, it’s extremely shady, definately unsportsmanlike thaw way it was done, and borderline flat out cheating. But every team's does this. Dawkins caught a TD for us this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Deception is huge in football. I don't understand why so many on here don't understand it. All this talk about sportsmanship and the like, it's for losers. I don't like the Patriots, at all. But the creativity, the nuance, deceptions and misdirection Belichick comes up with is amazing. Hating on it is a simple mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: Of course I hate them, As any true Bills fan should. Misdirection and offensive creativity on the field during play has nothing to do with what I was talking about. If Bellichick was the genius coach that he is lauded to be then why the need for all this stuff? This seems like pretty much the same thing as trying to get the defense to jump Offside on 4th down without actually intending to run a play. Seems like you are just being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: OK, so maybe it wasn't illegal, per se. It's certainly cheating, and against the spirit of the rules. I agree with DC Tom, the officials should have allowed the Squeelers to substitute, but they're the stupidest people on the field, so good luck with that. I can see a situation where the Squeelers try to substitute, and in the confusion, the Cheats run a fake, get the 1st down, and the refs just say "Tough titty". So now a legal play should be illegal because of some what if scenario. The Refs would have allowed Steelers to Substitute by rule if they tried. They didnt try. 4 hours ago, Shortchaz said: It’s interesting because he can say “well there isn’t a rule against it” as a defense, and that is true. The reason their aren’t rules for every specific situation is because most people function under the assumption that compeitors are going to act in a sportsman like manor. The bb’s of the world force the rules to be written because they MUST win, first and foremost and at any cost. This is not really what sports are meant to be, but at the professional level it could be argued that it is. It’s interesting to say the least. So is calling a TO right before the snap of a FG acting in a sportsman like manor? or is it because this is just the Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 hours ago, The Jokeman said: How wasn't it too many man on the field? Or doesn't that count so there was no huddle? because there were 11 players on the field when the ball was snapped. It was not any different than an offense coming off the field on 4th down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, CoachT said: But every team's does this. Dawkins caught a TD for us this year Every team calls players eligible. But not almost every single play. And when they do they don’t switch them in and out with other eligible pass catchers. It was a sketchy move at best. It’s what I expect out of the cheaters Edited December 17, 2018 by mrags 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, MJS said: This seems like pretty much the same thing as trying to get the defense to jump Offside on 4th down without actually intending to run a play. Seems like you are just being ridiculous. Except it isn't, because the Pats do this far more than any other team and far more frequently than the occasional 4th down play like today. I don't think that its "ridiculous", especially as a Bills fan to be fed up with almost 20 years of this ticky tacky kind of BS play combined with the actual full on cheating they have done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I hate the patriots more than almost anything else on this planet, but I had to respect that play. It wasn't that it was all that genius of an idea or anything, it was just a sign of really great coaching. Say what you want about Beli, but he gets his boys ready week in and week out. How many teams can get 11 guys off the field, get 11 new ones on, snap the ball and execute the play that quickly. I've seen the Bills struggle to put their nickel package out there without putting 12 men out there or having a db facing the wrong way like a madden glitch. I've seen KB routinely have 0 clue where he is supposed to be while being the supposed #1 reciever on the offense and relying on a second year player to hold his hand pre snap. I don't think this was against the rules, and honestly i don't even think it was all that effective. Just showed that every guy on that team down to the special teamers can do the routine things in their sleep, and that takes great coaching. But still, ***** the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The best play was downing a punt that crossed the goal line but two Pats jumped into the EZ from the one and managed to knock it back to be placed at the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 How was that cheating? The Steelers could have substituted but chose not to. The plan to waste game clock worked well, it was smart of BB even if you hate him it was solid coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said: Except it isn't, because the Pats do this far more than any other team and far more frequently than the occasional 4th down play like today. I don't think that its "ridiculous", especially as a Bills fan to be fed up with almost 20 years of this ticky tacky kind of BS play combined with the actual full on cheating they have done. When you are drowning, it's best not to reach for another bowling ball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Not illegal. Belichick plays to the edge and looks for loopholes in the rules to give his team an advantage. I don't like him. Among the reasons I don't like him is the fact that his propensity for finding loopholes puts the league in a position of coming up with more and more rules to close them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: When you are drowning, it's best not to reach for another bowling ball.... Thanks Confucius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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