Chiefs release Kareem Hunt after video from February incident surfaces

[Needle]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Seems a little ridiculous that they couldn't take 15 minutes to view the recording. 

[Doc]

Say what!?  LOL!

[whatdrought]

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

He shoved a woman. 

 

He pushed a man (a man who was just shoved violently by said woman) that then crashed into a woman knocking her to the ground.

 

He then kicked a woman at maybe half power.

 

its all very despicable, and he should have never left the room. But you can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to. 

 

His behavior is wrong and inexcusable, but it’s possibke to hold that truth while also saying that the whole thing has been overstated by the media.

 

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I read what you said.  I'll paraphrase - "Sure, it was wrong what he did, but it was only a half kick, so it wasn't really THAT bad."

 

 

I got a point for calling you an idiot and the post seems to have been deleted. Instead I will display the evidence outright.

 

If you read what I posted and believe that I’m condoning his actions, then my infraction point is well earned. 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by whatdrought

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, HOF4LOU said:

how is this different from what Tiger did...and everyone still loves Tiger

 

I think your definition of "everyone" may not align with the one commonly used

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

[#34fan]

20 minutes ago, HOF4LOU said:

how is this different from what Tiger did...and everyone still loves Tiger

 

Tiger Woods kicked a chick when she was on the ground???  -Link now please.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I got a point ... and the post seems to have been deleted. Instead I will display the evidence outright.

If you read what I posted and believe that I’m condoning his actions, then my point is well earned.

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.

If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Which part? lol

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

[whatdrought]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.

If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out trying 100% blow from Joe Sofa Spud. 

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by whatdrought

[Boca BIlls]

These guys they dont learn... want to keep their people down by doing ***** like this.

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.

If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

 

His KC playoff winning % can't get much worse...

[IDBillzFan]

15 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

A couple of unfortunate truths to what you're writing.

 

First, as long as ad revenue and income is tied to clicks, this is going to get over-hyped. The fact that it's a famous, rich athlete only makes the need to over hype it worse because (a) people love to watch successful people fall and (b) most sports writers love to over hype the story because they have a hard time accepting that a guy with a football can make millions but a guy with a journalism card in his fedora makes peanuts. How many times, for example, do you hear talking heads in sports reference an athlete as, say,  a $15 million  left tackle or $60 million pitcher, etc. 

 

Second, the #metoo movement insists that you believe all women and punish all men, without the presumption of innocence, and especially when there's video. So in the age of #metoo,  this can't be reported as some alcohol-soaked fight. It's simply horrific at multiple levels in the media because that's the corner they inked themselves into over the past few years.

 

I think what Hunt did was disgusting. Other's think he just nudged the classless chick with his foot. None of that matters. It's going to get over hyped until next Tuesday.

 

[Doc Brown]

34 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

Yup.  You need to be careful with your language when reporting on a story like this.

[FLFan]

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

How about you check the context of the conversation before inserting your opinion. 

I understand the context of the conversation.  It's not my fault you do not understand the response.

[whatdrought]

12 minutes ago, FLFan said:

I understand the context of the conversation.  It's not my fault you do not understand the response.

 

Do enlighten me, oh wise one.

[WideRightRevenge]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I got to say whatdrought, I read what you said and, leaving out the side chat about not insulting other posters (whether or not it's deserved, just don't...), I'm puzzled by your intent. 

You do say that Hunt's behavior is wrong and inexcusable, and that "it's all very despicable".

 

But you also appear to be trying to minimize or excuse it: "kicked a woman at maybe half power" " can’t say that a 240 pound man that regularly runs over 300 pound dudes couldn’t have done worse if he truly wanted to". 

 

"Sure it was wrong, but it was only a half kick so It's not that bad" actually seems to me like a relatively accurate paraphrase.

If he did something despicable, does it really matter if he could have done worse?  "Yeah I shot him, but I only used my .22 Ruger.  You can't say I couldn't have done worse with my AR-15 if I truly wanted to".  He kicked her hard enough that she went over and appeared to clutch at the kicked area.   You and I weren't on the receiving end of the kick, and in any case maybe a half-power kick from a trained athlete is worse than a full-out blow from Joe Sofa Spud.   What's the point?

 

I don't get the relativism.  It kind of sounds exculpatory, see what I mean?  If that wasn't the intent, what was the intent?

 

Now, if you're trying to make the point that what he did is wrong and despicable, but does not rise to the same level of seriousness as Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiance and dragging her unconscious body around and some other incidents, I'd agree with you.

 

It's the language minimizing what Hunt did that seems like a contradiction to the language criticizing it, and that puzzles me.

 

 

 

 

 

That losing Hunt won't hurt Reid's playoff chances.

 

Sorry Hapless ... at risk of taking flack .. I'll side with Whatdrought here ... although wrong .. do you think the Hunt video is on same level as Ray Rice or Mixon video .. I think not personally. .. so yes maybe there are degrees .. so I can't work through your 22 Ruger narrative .. gunshots (which by nature puncture skin) are a different level than punches or kicks.  Hence the terminology of "glancing blow".

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

My point was that by calling it a brutal attack and an example of horrific domestic violence, it’s cheapening real brutality.

 

This looks more like a bar room fight where everyone is in the wrong.

 

the point of mentioning the power of the kick isn’t to justify the kick or to say that the act of kicking is less wrong based on outcome, but rather that if Hunt wanted to be truly brutal he could have kicked her much harder. 

 

My point is one you seem to agree with- this isn’t in the same level as Rice or Mixon who both brutally struck the woman. 

 

My original intent was to point out the disparity of discription being used by the media, and the strength behind his actions and kick does seem to factor into that. 

 

 

Also, sorry for the insult- I’ll do better. 

 

Ah, OK this makes more sense now.  

 

Yes, if your point was “not a brutal attack, not horrific domestic violence” I agree, and in that context saying probably not the hardest kick or blow he could deliver makes sense as not exculpating him, just making the point the whole thing doesn’t fit most people’s idea of horrific brutality.

 

Doesn’t make it right, still makes it wrong, just doesn’t make it brutality.

 

I didn’t get this at all from your original post.  Thanks for clarifying.

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

His KC playoff winning % can't get much worse...

 

Ah.

 

some would argue Mahomes >>> Smith and that Smith had something to do with that 

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah, OK this makes more sense now.  

 

Yes, if your point was “not a brutal attack, not horrific domestic violence” I agree, and in that context saying probably not the hardest kick or blow he could deliver makes sense as not exculpating him, just making the point the whole thing doesn’t fit most people’s idea of horrific brutality.

 

Doesn’t make it right, still makes it wrong, just doesn’t make it brutality.

 

I didn’t get this at all from your original post.  Thanks for clarifying.

 

My original post was in response to another post (the fatal flaw of message board life) 

 

What he did was horrible and deserves no excuse. It’s just not brutal domestic abuse. It’s a bar fight. 

[dayman]

Just saw all the news on this, the situation obviously bad but media coverage and click bate headlines are ridiculous in this case. Trying to turn this into the next Ray Rice and it is clearly a far lesser incident than that was. 

[Max Fischer]

12 minutes ago, dayman said:

Just saw all the news on this, the situation obviously bad but media coverage and click bate headlines are ridiculous in this case. Trying to turn this into the next Ray Rice and it is clearly a far lesser incident than that was. 

 

So, looks like we have to accept a certain level of violence and behavior?  When I saw it for the first time my reaction was, "Yup, Chiefs did the right thing. It must have been heartbreaking but had to be done."  

[The Senator]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Roger will try to save face by parking him on the list until the end of the season. Has to at least show he’s doing something. I think the suspension will be handed down in the offseason and it will be 6 games. And that he will be signed by another team in the offseason. 

 

Sounds like a reasonable scenario, assuming Hunt doesn’t end up in jail.  I wish Goodell would suspend him for the entire 2019 season.  The thug can kiss any endorsements goodbye and, with no degree and a reputation as a woman beater, his prospects for any employment are slim.

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