Nice game but Allen needs to pass

[Matt_In_NH]

18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

If you are hung up on the stat line for this game as an indication of bad play or his potential in the future, then you clearly see only what you want to see. 

There was absolutely nothing in the game yesterday that indicates Allen doesn't have the mental/cerebral abilities to be a good QB in the NFL. 

 

I want to see the the Bills with a franchise QB.   I want to see the Bills win the division, playoff games, super bowls.  I know the best way to do that consistently is with a franchise QB.   I am not hung up on stats but I am realistic and objective, some of that involves stats.  People get so emotional if there is any critical analysis of Josh Allen, its annoying.

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Side note:  one of these times we are going to see him sweep out, dig hard for the line of scrimmage on an apparent run and then launch it to a wide open WR down field.

 

...I love it.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

I want to see the the Bills with a franchise QB.   I want to see the Bills win the division, playoff games, super bowls.  I know the best way to do that consistently is with a franchise QB.   I am not hung up on stats but I am realistic and objective, some of that involves stats.  People get so emotional if there is any critical analysis of Josh Allen, its annoying.

 

 

I am not emotional and you have every right to your opinion, critical or otherwise. My point was that the very first thing you quoted from the game yesterday was the stat line and how that stat line would not win divisions or playoff games, and was not reflective of franchise QBs, or that kind of potential. IMO, (1) that stat line didn't accurately reflect the play on the field yesterday and (2) that stat line literally has no relevance to how good or bad Allen will be in the future. There has been plenty to criticize about Allen's game this season; and there were things in yesterday's game that could be legitimately criticized (as with virtually every player in virtually every game); however, yesterday's game was not the game to use as any sort of evidence that he cannot become a franchise QB. That is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Teddy KGB]

38 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This is pretty much how I feel about Allen.  Its fun when he does what he did yesterday, but Tyrod could do that.  

 

He scored 3 points.     He definetly could not do that.    Gotta stick with facts when making points.  

[HeHateMe]

15 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

At this point, Allen is TT V2.0  another running Qb.  That has to change if the rook is to be a franchise QB!

He's a rookie... Tyrod had been in the league for what 6 years before playing?  I'd say his game yesterday was better than peak Tyrod for the Bills.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, mattynh said:

I was talking about the first 3rd down of the game, it was 3rd and 3.

 

His stats look a lot like the guy we traded in the offseason to me.  Minus the completion percentage.  If he processes well why is he completing 52% of his passes?   Many passes are easy completions if you process well.  I guess some of it is his poor ability to throw shorter passes, that needs to get addressed.

 

I think the throws Allen makes are different throws than Taylor would make.  I didn't see Taylor making some of the anticipation throws and throws into tight coverage that Allen will make.

 

The thing is, Taylor had 3 full years as a starter and the support of a fantastic run game.  What you saw is what you were gonna get. 

Allen is a rookie.

 

You are correct that Allen needs to become more accurate on the short throws, and will live or die as an NFL QB based on whether he develops that skill.

 

I do think if Allen had better WR he'd have better completion percentage.

 

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

He scored 3 points.     He definetly could not do that.    Gotta stick with facts when making points.  

 

One Jags team went to the AFC championship game and the other is 3-8.  They are entirely different teams.  But that is wildly beside the point. 

 

The point is Tyrod can get you one read throws, approx 200 yards a game, and a bunch of clutch scrambles.  Sure, he didn't do it in one game last year, but that was overwhelming his M.O while he was a starting QB.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

The man is early in his development still, do we have any patience here?

 

No.  Was that a trick question?

 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Cam threw for 4,000 yards with 800 yards rushing as a rookie and had 35 total touchdowns in 16 games. I think this is a very optimistic projection.

 

At this stage Kapernick seems more realistic, due to Allen being a more effective runner than passer. Allen makes plays with his feet, but his efficiency as a passer isn't very good. He's a lot like JP Losman in the sense that he can provide the big plays, but he can't dink and dunk and keep the offense moving and control the clock. 

 

At some point defenses will figure out how to slow down his running, or he'll get hurt (like essentially every running QB does). Once that happens, he'll need to progress dramatically as a passer if he's going to make it in this league. All the top QBs are top players because they're elite passers and Allen has miles to go in that department. 

 

Yesterday's game was fun to watch. The fight, and ensuing heart the team showed were great. 

 

Allen made some nice throws, and he made some bad ones. He relies on his running ability to bail him out of situations when he can't find an open receiver, and I'm not sure that's sustainable long term. Running QBs don't have much long term success in the NFL, and at some point you need to find someone who can throw for 4,000 yards a season. 

 

I'm not going to harp on his stat line because he did what was needed to win, but I don't think that model for success will have sustained success for him in the NFL. At some point he'll need to learn to operate from the pocket and make more consistent plays with his arm. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

One Jags team went to the AFC championship game and the other is 3-8.  They are entirely different teams.  But that is wildly beside the point. 

 

The point is Tyrod can get you one read throws, approx 200 yards a game, and a bunch of clutch scrambles.  Sure, he didn't do it in one game last year, but that was overwhelming his M.O while he was a starting QB.  

 

This jags team stomped the Pats and shut the Steelers out for 3 quarters 

 

“He didn’t do it for one game last year” ? 

 

Did you miss half the season ?  You know we played the Saints, Panthers, Bengals, Pats, etc etc etc Right ? 

 

Fake facts don’t fly sir, you gotta reel it in.  

 

Have a good day.  I can’t go back and forth with you on this.  

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Cam threw for 4,000 yards with 800 yards rushing as a rookie and had 35 total touchdowns in 16 games. I think this is a very optimistic projection.

 

At this stage Kapernick seems more realistic, due to Allen being a more effective runner than passer. Allen makes plays with his feet, but his efficiency as a passer isn't very good. He's a lot like JP Losman in the sense that he can provide the big plays, but he can't dink and dunk and keep the offense moving and control the clock. 

 

At some point defenses will figure out how to slow down his running, or he'll get hurt (like essentially every running QB does). Once that happens, he'll need to progress dramatically as a passer if he's going to make it in this league. All the top QBs are top players because they're elite passers and Allen has miles to go in that department. 

 

Yesterday's game was fun to watch. The fight, and ensuing heart the team showed were great. 

 

Allen made some nice throws, and he made some bad ones. He relies on his running ability to bail him out of situations when he can't find an open receiver, and I'm not sure that's sustainable long term. Running QBs don't have much long term success in the NFL, and at some point you need to find someone who can throw for 4,000 yards a season. 

 

I'm not going to harp on his stat line because he did what was needed to win, but I don't think that model for success will have sustained success for him in the NFL. At some point he'll need to learn to operate from the pocket and make more consistent plays with his arm. 

 

The projection isn't a numbers thing.  It's a player type comparison.  His reliance on the run is a function of the supporting cast he's currently saddled with that we should expect to improve in 2019 and beyond. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

This jags team stomped the Pats and shut the Steelers out for 3 quarters 

 

“He didn’t do it for one game last year” ? 

 

Did you miss half the season ?  You know we played the Saints, Panthers, Bengals, Pats, etc etc etc Right ? 

 

Fake facts don’t fly sir, you gotta reel it in.  

 

Have a good day.  I can’t go back and forth with you on this.  

 

Its troubling to me that you don't see how incoherent this response is.  

[oldmanfan]

He's a rookie QB that has played about six games now.  HE's showing progress.  Still a lot of work to be done but had a good game yesterday.  Is it Ok to be happy about that?

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Its troubling to me that you don't see how incoherent this response is.  

 

Google will help you with your “one” game problem.      

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Google will help you with your “one” game problem.      

 

I literally have no idea what your point is. 

 

Thats what makes this so incoherent.  You haven't made a coherent argument.  I can't event construct one from what you have said.  

 

[TheElectricCompany]

27 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Cam threw for 4,000 yards with 800 yards rushing as a rookie and had 35 total touchdowns in 16 games. I think this is a very optimistic projection.

 

Allen has stats like 2011 Tim Tebow. Not ideal, but it is what it is. 

Give me more of those bombs to Foster, because that was sickkkkkkkkkkk

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[HappyDays]

37 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

One Jags team went to the AFC championship game and the other is 3-8.  They are entirely different teams.  But that is wildly beside the point. 

 

They are definitely not entirely different teams. They are comprised of pretty much the exact same players on defense. The big difference is they lost two starting receivers and Bortles somehow is playing even worse than last year. But that has nothing to do with Allen's performance against a defense that has been top 5 this year, in his first game back from injury, with a bunch of no-name receivers and a poor offensive line. It was impressive any way you slice it. Elite, no, but he showed signs that he could be a great QB in the future.

[IDBillzFan]

I'll never understand why some people measure a quarterback's success by how many 300 yard games he has. Having big breasts doesn't make you pretty.