Shaw66 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'm pretty sure the rule - no interference within a yard of the line of scrimmage came into existence to preserve for the DBs the ability to chuck the receiver as he comes off the line. Especially in the old days, when guys played true bump and run, it would have been a way to get an automatic first down by throwing at the receiver immediately upon the snap, while the DB was still making contact. The rule essentially means the receiver has to get off the line of scrimmage if he wants the protection of the interference rules. The Bills did nothing all game to force the Bills to back off. It was tight coverage all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It doesn't matter. Fair enough, played football 9 years myself and it just looked like interference to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: contact is contact within 1 yard. The two hits to Peterman's head that were not called, those mattered more IMO than this. I was pissed about the hits to the head, especially the second one, which was more than incidental. It was like a stiff arm. And I wasn't happy about the intentional grounding call, either. Those three calls show the extent to which as called, the rules only protect the QBs with a reputation. Brady would have gotten all three calls. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, billrooter said: Fair enough, played football 9 years myself and it just looked like interference to me. It's no different than when receivers rub out (AKA pick) DBs within 1 yard of the LoS. It's all fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, billrooter said: Fair enough, played football 9 years myself and it just looked like interference to me. It WAS interference, except that the rule makes the 1-yard exception. Jones was within one yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I've finally figured out why that play looked so hinky live. I've never seen an entire O-line driven back seven yards from the LOS on a pass play. That's why it seemed like Jones was way past one yard down field. LOL. We suck... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: It WAS interference, except that the rule makes the 1-yard exception. Jones was within one yard. Got ya, and what a stupid ass rule. Rbs behind the line of scrimmage on a screen just mug him then right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: You have to live the 1 yard hitch on 3rd and 3. The Bilks really should run more routes short of the marker. ? Running routes short of the marker has been an offense staple of this team for more than 15 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyDavisEyes Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 So you can just tackle a receiver within one yard of the LOS? Thats what the defender was was attempting to do - he was attempting to tackle the WR. If that’s the rule. Should just tackle the WR as he attempts to release or any RB going out for a pass before they hit the magic 1 yd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: So you can just tackle a receiver within one yard of the LOS? Thats what the defender was was attempting to do - he was attempting to tackle the WR. If that’s the rule. Should just tackle the WR as he attempts to release or any RB going out for a pass before they hit the magic 1 yd line. all kinds of pick plays are set up in this one yard zone, the Pats have perfected it with 2 TEs doing the work how are fans on here just finding out about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I'm pretty sure the rule - no interference within a yard of the line of scrimmage came into existence to preserve for the DBs the ability to chuck the receiver as he comes off the line. Especially in the old days, when guys played true bump and run, it would have been a way to get an automatic first down by throwing at the receiver immediately upon the snap, while the DB was still making contact. The rule essentially means the receiver has to get off the line of scrimmage if he wants the protection of the interference rules. Ah, now that makes some sense! 2 hours ago, billrooter said: I didn't think it was tipped and wasn't it a yard over? I realize since it was tipped he could be hit but did not realize it was tipped? He's been missing since somebody put the actual play up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Since it did not affect the outcome of the game it's a learning event for players and fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 22 hours ago, Steptide said: It's a stupid rule Imo. Chances are the defender wouldnt have time to realize the reciever is only within 1 yard of the line. If a team had a 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1, why would a defense not just blow up every reciever immediately? It's legal right? The rule seems stupid They do. It's called jamming the receiver. It's very risky because if you miss, he' gone!! Only a few guys have the skillset to pull it off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, CoachT said: They do. It's called jamming the receiver. It's very risky because if you miss, he' gone!! Only a few guys have the skillset to pull it off. Ya but if it's in within 1 yard, why not just tackle all the recievers to the ground? If it's not pass interference, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I remember when Takeo Spikes mugged somebody at the LOS for a pick 6. One of the sickest plays in Bills history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 8:04 PM, Ray Finkel said: Richard Sherman knocked Robert Woods on his butt by the end zone at the end of the game when we played Seattle in a night game a few years ago. Same type of play except the ball was not thrown to Woods. It wasn't Robert Woods and that had something to do with the QB being outside the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Why the hell would anyone do a 1 yard pattern,? Makes perfect sense to clobber a receiver and maybe get a deflection INT. Could not have worked out more perfectly for the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Steptide said: Ya but if it's in within 1 yard, why not just tackle all the recievers to the ground? If it's not pass interference, why not? Still would be defensive holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 14 hours ago, bbb said: Ah, now that makes some sense! He's been missing since somebody put the actual play up. Here I am so, so your looking for me to say I was wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I'm aware of the rule and the intention of that rule. It was NOT intended to allow a defender to hit a person in the back. This is the ONLY instance in the rulebook that allows for a player to legally contact the back of a player. I am fine with the rule, but there needs to be an exception for contact through the players back. This exception brings the rule back into conformity with the rest of the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, nkreed said: I'm aware of the rule and the intention of that rule. It was NOT intended to allow a defender to hit a person in the back. This is the ONLY instance in the rulebook that allows for a player to legally contact the back of a player. I am fine with the rule, but there needs to be an exception for contact through the players back. This exception brings the rule back into conformity with the rest of the rulebook. does it happen constantly in a given NFL week? is this something Bills fans only cared to notice just because it happened last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: does it happen constantly in a given NFL week? is this something Bills fans only cared to notice just because it happened last week? Exceptions to rules happen infrequently. That's why they are exceptions. It is rather normal for a rulebook to have these kinds of things written in to prevent circumvention of a standard rule (in this case going through an opposing players back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 hours ago, billrooter said: Here I am so, so your looking for me to say I was wrong? NO! You replied to the guy who was going on and on on Sunday night about how the ball was tipped and it was behind the LOS. He called for somebody to put up a replay. Somebody did...............And, he hasn't been back...............What you said is what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, billrooter said: Got ya, and what a stupid ass rule. Rbs behind the line of scrimmage on a screen just mug him then right? That is right. When RB's go out for a screen a defender will start hitting him before the ball gets their in order to disrupt the play. That is if a defender can get to the receiver in time. It also allows RB's WR's OL out on screen pass etc etc to block behind the line of scrimmage on pass plays without penalty. Don't confuse this with holding the potential receiver. You still can not do that. But you can hit him and mug him. You can't overzealously mug him like Sherman did to Woods on the Monday night game in Seattle. Sherman was allowed to contact and impede Woods as Tyrod was out of the pocket scrambling and had not thrown the ball yet. Our beef with Sherman is he committed personal foul as he blew up the receiver and knocked him down instead of just contacting and bumping running with him. 16 hours ago, zow2 said: Why the hell would anyone do a 1 yard pattern,? Makes perfect sense to clobber a receiver and maybe get a deflection INT. Could not have worked out more perfectly for the Bears. on replay it appears Jones cut inside as the other Bills WR was attempting to set a pick for him and missed as the DB went around him. If the other Bills WR went downfield a little more it would have been an illegal pick. Edited November 6, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, bbb said: NO! You replied to the guy who was going on and on on Sunday night about how the ball was tipped and it was behind the LOS. He called for somebody to put up a replay. Somebody did...............And, he hasn't been back...............What you said is what I said. Ok sorry BBB was confused figured I would ask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, nkreed said: Exceptions to rules happen infrequently. That's why they are exceptions. It is rather normal for a rulebook to have these kinds of things written in to prevent circumvention of a standard rule (in this case going through an opposing players back). you've wasted enough time on this, it's not getting overturned and it didn't matter anyway.... move on, show's ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: you've wasted enough time on this, it's not getting overturned and it didn't matter anyway.... move on, show's ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... You're right, it's not getting overturned, but it's an unintended consequences that they will look at. I will say it gets changed this off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) On 11/5/2018 at 9:57 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: This is not the replay, I was referring to. This is another camera angle. On the replay it was close up on peterman and you can clearly see the ball tipped by the left end #96, I believe; so much so it affected the spinning. Ill pull up the DVR and see if I can take a vid on my phone and upload it. Edited November 6, 2018 by PittsforDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Why these passes are rarely thrown...people usually take a few steps back from the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: This is not the replay, I was referring to. This is another camera angle. On the replay it was close up on peterman and you can clearly see the ball tipped by the left end #96, I believe; so much so it affected the spinning. Ill pull up the DVR and see if I can take a vid on my phone and upload it. I watched it again on GamePass and the ball was not tipped. If was tipped that would make the hit on Zay Jones that much more legal and make the PI question moot regardless of where contact occurred. At any rate, the pass was not tipped. Hicks swung his left hand at the ball but never made contact with it. No tipped pass. Edited November 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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