LABILLBACKER Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: This is rare for me - but I agree totally with what John said. Dion Dawkins is most definitely not Cordy Glenn. He is a serviceable NFL left tackle. He is a middle of the league guy. He is one of only two people on our offense (with Shady the other) who I believe is capable of starting for another NFL team. But I do think he would be potentially elite at LG and thought that guard was a long term fit for him coming out - I never thought that about Cordy who I always saw as a franchise LT. My first choice for upgrading the line would be to find an elite LT because I still believe that is a premium position in the NFL and I believe Dawkins would be elite inside.... so there is your elite left side straight away. But that is going to be difficult. Not sure if there is one there in the draft and there definitely isn't in FA. So I am comfortable keeping Dawkins at LT and picking up a couple of the good interior FAs and a FA RT as a good second option. exactly, he only looks amazing at times because the other 4 knuckleheads are so pathetic. We need to replace 3-4 OL spots and draft at least 3 wrs. Not to mention we'll need to draft 25's replacement. That will leave 1 defensive position for mcclappy..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peter said: At least we can agree that it was foolish to get rid of Cordy (wherever one might play Dion). Getting rid of Cordy was especially idiotic in light of our huge investment in drafting a very, very raw QB. One would have thought that a guy who came back from a kidney removal would have the character to be part of the "process." COYG Its just one of the things you dont do.....not with a Rookie QB They will get it fixed...i do believe that. Not every decison made by the front office was the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Because Cordy Glenn was a better LT then Dion Dawkins is....... You just didnt see Cordy get beat.....Dawkins does at times. This does not mean that Deon cannot play LT...he can....but if we can find a guy who can play LT for us Dion probably has all pro potential as a LG (which is woeful for us right now) Not just that, but it opens the possibility of swinging Dion to RT and having Mills as depth. What would be amazing is if Teller comes out of nowhere and studs out at RG, but by drafting a tackle we at least can move other lineman around to minimize the immediate needs. Looking at free agency, there aren't many tackles worth picking up, but getting an interior lineman has more chance and worth, albeit not too much in this year's FA crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: They wanted to get out of Glenns contract...you know the left tackle we had that was really good. When he wasn't guarding the training table, you mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Getting a stud LT means upgrades at 2 positions (LT and LG) all in one roster add, after moving Dawkins inside. Getting a LG instead, only improves one position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: Not just that, but it opens the possibility of swinging Dion to RT and having Mills as depth. What would be amazing is if Teller comes out of nowhere and studs out at RG, but by drafting a tackle we at least can move other lineman around to minimize the immediate needs. Looking at free agency, there aren't many tackles worth picking up, but getting an interior lineman has more chance and worth, albeit not too much in this year's FA crop. Yeah I really would not want Dawkins at RT We need athletic OG's that can pull and get out in front of screens downfield.......the RT has to stay in and block pass rushers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: When he wasn't guarding the training table, you mean. Correction: "When he isn't guarding Andy Dalton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, Peter said: At least we can agree that it was foolish to get rid of Cordy (wherever one might play Dion). Getting rid of Cordy was especially idiotic in light of our huge investment in drafting a very, very raw QB. One would have thought that a guy who came back from a kidney removal would have the character to be part of the "process." COYG I am the biggest Cordy Glenn fan going. I would not have traded him. 12 minutes ago, nucci said: and from many reports...Glenn is playing very well Not a single bit surprised. He is an outstanding Left Tackle when healthy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minotaur Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I have a slightly different take, but different options that I have no preference on: 1) Take a top tackle in the 1st, put him at RT, and check out Mills at G, or 2) Take a G in the 2nd, or 3) Take a C in the 2nd. Of course, this depends on the Board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah I really would not want Dawkins at RT We need athletic OG's that can pull and get out in front of screens downfield.......the RT has to stay in and block pass rushers Good point - Mills has been serviceable, but an absolute liability at times I just don't have faith in the right side of our line. Dawkins at guard for that reason makes sense, but given his performance thus far, it's hard to argue him out of LT for anyone but Little or a franchise tackle. Tangentially, I've been begrudgingly surprised by Ducasse - I still hold to my belief that he is no longer a starter in the league, but he's performed well this season overall. Just not sure if it's a case of big fish small pond given our overall line talent, or if he's starting a renaissance of his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: when healthy. Key words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Because Cordy Glenn was a better LT then Dion Dawkins is....... You just didnt see Cordy get beat.....Dawkins does at times. This does not mean that Deon cannot play LT...he can....but if we can find a guy who can play LT for us Dion probably has all pro potential as a LG (which is woeful for us right now) Back to LG NOW? Two seasons in that genie is out of the bottle........he and his agent will not go for that. You'd better be sure you aren't going to want to upgrade if you move a young player to a high dollar $ position. If they play well and you move them you are messing with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) I love the revisionist history on this message board. I remember everyone wanting Cordy's big contract gone because he had two injured feet and barely saw the field. Now it's another horrible "McBeane" decision I guess ... because we hate them now ... for some reason. Edited October 31, 2018 by Rigotz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I am not as enamored of Dawkins as are some. I think he's merely serviceable. He's pretty solid if we're talking power run blocking...I can't wait for the day McDermott wakes up and gives Wyatt Teller his shot at LG.Teller has nice feet and pulls out,just like Richie did....Dawkins bulls up..swing out Teller and you can get a running game going.Just my two cents worth.Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, DasNootz said: Getting a stud LT means upgrades at 2 positions (LT and LG) all in one roster add, after moving Dawkins inside. Getting a LG instead, only improves one position. gold star. Dion at LG would make us forget Richie quickly. Big, strong, fast and we could use screens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am the biggest Cordy Glenn fan going. I would not have traded him. Not a single bit surprised. He is an outstanding Left Tackle when healthy. Trading Cordy was foolish for so many reasons. P.S. Jenkinson is in the starting 11 today. Good for Carl. Perseverance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, JohnC said: because he was dealt we were able to move up the draft board and select our qb. That was a big miss on Beane's part, IMO. The better alternative would have been to include a 2019 draft pick in the package needed to move up for the QB. He would then have the franchise QB and his LT position locked down, allowing Dawkins to fill another spot on the O-line. Instead, he went the high wire route and fell off. He's still falling and we haven't heard the splash yet, either... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I love the revisionist history on this message board. I remember everyone wanting Cordy's big contract gone because he had two injured feet and barely saw the field. Now it's another horrible "McBeane" decision I guess ... because we hate them now ... for some reason. Everyone??? Not me. You have to pay good players. That is just the way it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, DasNootz said: Getting a stud LT means upgrades at 2 positions (LT and LG) all in one roster add, after moving Dawkins inside. Getting a LG instead, only improves one position. A good guard could have the same effect (boosting LG and LT play) and it won't completely ruin any chance we have or resigning DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Peter said: Everyone??? Not me. You have to pay good players. That is just the way it is. Me neither. Glenn missed roughly 16 games spread across two seasons with an injury that takes about a year to heal. The same old impatient voices on TSW and elsewhere locked on to a "damaged goods" refrain. This may have even colored McBeane's thinking, given their lack of history with him. Sigh... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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