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20 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

... Sanders’ approach is just a side door to his goal of reshaping everything.  When he says things like revolution and movement, he means revolution and drastic change.  He means to impose that change on a majority of citizens who don’t want that change to be so drastic. If you think that Executive Branch regulations aren’t enough to get the ball way down the road then you’re not seeing what Bernie can accomplish on his own — and for the next person that follows Bernie to take it further. ...

 

 

it all began with:

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look at the imagery of the last image, does it remind anyone of anything?

 

 

Sanders is the ultimate next guy who the globalists want to implement their 'agenda'. the problem is, they are not sure he is the right guy at the right time, he is too early. he was supposed to be the 'next guy', after the next guy that could bring us just down the road a little further in the plan unveiled under the obamanation. we just need to be pushed a bit further down the socialist road so that we will eagerly accept the full blown ideology when it is adopted. of course, it may be that Trump has so thwarted their plans that they are left with no other alternative than to try and force that change upon us in the current paradigm. damn the torpedoes and deal with the fallout after the fact may be the revised plan to put us back on their planned track.

 

long ago they found that in order for them to implement their globalist desires, they understood that it is going to be much easier to reduce the US to third world status than it would be to raise third world countries to first world status and would take entirely too long to do, if it is even possible.

 

Sanders is their wet dream, don't fall for their rhetoric.

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February 25, 2020

The Rebranding of Socialism as 'Democratic Socialism'

By Dave Ball
 

While it may be true that “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” (Shakespeare) it is also true that socialism by any other name still smells like socialism.

 

As we approach this year’s elections, the purveyors of socialism have tried to rebrand their product by calling it “democratic socialism.”  The sales force and marketing department of democratic socialism, the Democratic Party, and the mainstream media, are plying a new fairy tale that democratic socialism is nothing like socialism.  No siree, nothing like it, they sing in chorus.  The chorus, however, is badly out of tune. 

 

Democratic socialism is not the wonderland of inclusiveness, social justice, equality, and happiness it is advertised to be.  It will not end human exploitation and it will not save the planet.  It is still socialism, just with a new name.  Socialism has never worked for any nation and it will not work in this country, even with a new name.

 

More at the link: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/02/the_rebranding_of_socialism_as_democratic_socialism.html

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10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Oh god.  None.  She can tell Bernie where they keep the coffee filters in the West Wing dining room I guess.

Can't tell if you are being facetious or not. What experience does Michelle have that would actually qualify her to be president?

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Black, female, and I will leave out the obvious transgender joke because I actually think Michelle is very nice looking. She does not dress for her frame or age (either her advisors hate her, or she does not listen to good advice, although her plastic surgeon is top-notch), and that is why she generally looks so terrible. When she dresses for her height and frame, she looks very good.

If that is what you are considering as qualifications for president then I nominate Carrie Underwood. She's not only better looking but can also sing. -)

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11 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

I'm curious why people making ridiculous money concerns you.

 

It concerns me too, despite my economic libertarian leanings, but for what I imagine are entirely different reasons. I'm actually not so concerned about billionaires as I am concentration of power by multi-national corporations.

 

What threat do you see in rich CEOs and the like?

I'm not concerned about the CEO's Rob. I'm concerned about the people trying to scrape by who may (or may not) be affected by the consolidation of wealth. 

 

As I said, I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't allow citizens to become wealthy, even uber wealthy. But if you look at healthcare outcomes, upward mobility rates, income disparity, etc; something's gotta give.

 

Healthcare alone; we spend TWICE as much as the next country on healthcare and our outcomes are 26th! There's no where to go but up.

 

Let me just ask this question re: CEO's since you're likely referencing the 400/1 figure I cited. At what point is it a problem? If, let's say, the average CEO was making 10,000x that of the average worker, would THAT be a problem?

 

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7 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....another victim of relaxed mental hygiene....SMH...........DEM-entia.......

Bernie Sanders reveals 'major plans' to be funded by new taxes, massive lawsuits, military cuts

By Gregg Re | Fox News

 

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He released his plan on his website just minutes after promising to do so during a CNN town hall.

However, the fact-sheet highlighted for the first time that many of Sanders' expected cost-saving measures relied on conjecture and best-case scenarios. For example, Sanders' document asserts that a "modest tax on Wall Street speculation ... will raise an estimated $2.4 trillion over ten years" and, in one fell swoop, make all "public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free ... and cancel all student debt over the next decade."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-payments-green-new-deal-medicare-for-all-explanation

 

10 years?  Oh no, if Bernie wins, he won't leave when his 2nd term is over.  He'll be our new dictator.  Dooooooomed.  I look forward to the Bernie 2045 cartoons.

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm not concerned about the CEO's Rob. I'm concerned about the people trying to scrape by who may (or may not) be affected by the consolidation of wealth. 

 

As I said, I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't allow citizens to become wealthy, even uber wealthy. But if you look at healthcare outcomes, upward mobility rates, income disparity, etc; something's gotta give.

 

Healthcare alone; we spend TWICE as much as the next country on healthcare and our outcomes are 26th! There's no where to go but up.

 

Let me just ask this question re: CEO's since you're likely referencing the 400/1 figure I cited. At what point is it a problem? If, let's say, the average CEO was making 10,000x that of the average worker, would THAT be a problem?

 

 

The real question is WHY is it a problem. It seems the underlying implication is that those who are struggling would have more if those at the top made less. I'm curious if that's your reasoning?

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm not concerned about the CEO's Rob. I'm concerned about the people trying to scrape by who may (or may not) be affected by the consolidation of wealth. 

 

As I said, I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't allow citizens to become wealthy, even uber wealthy. But if you look at healthcare outcomes, upward mobility rates, income disparity, etc; something's gotta give.

 

Healthcare alone; we spend TWICE as much as the next country on healthcare and our outcomes are 26th! There's no where to go but up.

 

Let me just ask this question re: CEO's since you're likely referencing the 400/1 figure I cited. At what point is it a problem? If, let's say, the average CEO was making 10,000x that of the average worker, would THAT be a problem?

 

A poor man in the USA today is as wealthy as a rich man 60 years ago. I just spent $300 on a flat screen tv that is much bigger and better than the flat screen I paid $1500 for in 2006. My vehicle is much better than a vehicle that I paid twice as much for 2 decades ago. We have such marvelous inventions such as GPS and smart phones that poor people today all have. With our abundance of natural gas it costs much less to heat my home than it did 15 years ago. I could go on and on but the thing to remember that is most important is that wealth is relative. 

 

As far as healthcare goes, remember we here in the USA pay for a vast majority of the world's medical and pharmaceutical research. Generally speaking we don't have long wait periods to see a doctor or rationed care. When you compare our health results to those countries with universal health care you are comparing apples to alligators. 

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm not concerned about the CEO's Rob. I'm concerned about the people trying to scrape by who may (or may not) be affected by the consolidation of wealth. 

 

As I said, I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't allow citizens to become wealthy, even uber wealthy. But if you look at healthcare outcomes, upward mobility rates, income disparity, etc; something's gotta give.

 

Healthcare alone; we spend TWICE as much as the next country on healthcare and our outcomes are 26th! There's no where to go but up.

 

Let me just ask this question re: CEO's since you're likely referencing the 400/1 figure I cited. At what point is it a problem? If, let's say, the average CEO was making 10,000x that of the average worker, would THAT be a problem?

 

 

How do stock market's valuation multiples affect the wages that workers earn?

 

How much of the USA's healthcare rankings affected by lifestyle choices and addictions vs healthcare delivery?

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3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Can't tell if you are being facetious or not. What experience does Michelle have that would actually qualify her to be president?

If that is what you are considering as qualifications for president then I nominate Carrie Underwood. She's not only better looking but can also sing. -)

I'm not being facetious.  If recent history is any indicator the less experience in politics the better your chances are (thinking about Hillary being the most qualified candidate ever).  It's a popularity contest and about who inspires people the most to get people to turn out and vote.  Sad but true.  

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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm not being facetious.  If recent history is any indicator the less experience in politics the better your chances are (thinking about Hillary being the most qualified candidate ever).  It's a popularity contest and about who inspires people the most to get people to turn out and vote.  Sad but true.  

That's a poor answer to my question. What life experience makes her qualified to sit in the Oval Office and make important decisions?

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6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's a poor answer to my question. What life experience makes her qualified to sit in the Oval Office and make important decisions?

 

Well, she finally became proud of her country on January 20, 2009, ending her pride on January 20, 2017.

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9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's a poor answer to my question. What life experience makes her qualified to sit in the Oval Office and make important decisions?

 

You could make the same argument about Michelle's husband when he ran or about the current POTUS.

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8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

No, Trump had decades of experience in business and negotiating. 

 

.. and a lot of failing at it too.  

 

There's a reason many are surprised at his performance so far.

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1 minute ago, GG said:

 

.. and a lot of failing at it too.  

 

There's a reason many are surprised at his performance so far.

Well, he must have succeeded a lot too. Much of Trump's success is due to the simple fact that he as a businessman approached the presidency in a businesslike manner. The Git-Er-Done President. Most other recent presidents were happy just to be there. 

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@3rdnlng I find many posts here nor just yours shockingly callous obtuse and implicitly dishonest to the point they & you seem to be dittoheads from the Rrrruussshhah dingy Crazy GREEDY LIMPboss radio cult liar show....I have been reading and responding 4 days now and did not know my Buffalo BILLs had a bunch of new style chatrooms and a sort of email list....the worst of it all is how people BILLieve there is a meaningful difference globally between Bernie & TrumpOLINI....if people care more for humanity than for JumpinJosh, we need peace through Green jobs championed by our Syracuse pal WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US with 5 decades experience knowing what and where action can be taken by humanity in the White House when only genocidal maniacs have ruled since January 1981

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1 minute ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

@3rdnlng I find many posts here nor just yours shockingly callous obtuse and implicitly dishonest to the point they & you seem to be dittoheads from the Rrrruussshhah dingy Crazy GREEDY LIMPboss radio cult liar show....I have been reading and responding 4 days now and did not know my Buffalo BILLs had a bunch of new style chatrooms and a sort of email list....the worst of it all is how people BILLieve there is a meaningful difference globally between Bernie & TrumpOLINI....if people care more for humanity than for JumpinJosh, we need peace through Green jobs championed by our Syracuse pal WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US with 5 decades experience knowing what and where action can be taken by humanity in the White House when only genocidal maniacs have ruled since January 1981

You are an ass. You post in a style and manner which makes everyone reluctant to even respond. That your content is just gibberish only makes you less likely to get a response. Don't expect to get any more responses from me unless for some reason I feel like mocking you. 

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6 minutes ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

@3rdnlng I find many posts here nor just yours shockingly callous obtuse and implicitly dishonest to the point they & you seem to be dittoheads from the Rrrruussshhah dingy Crazy GREEDY LIMPboss radio cult liar show....I have been reading and responding 4 days now and did not know my Buffalo BILLs had a bunch of new style chatrooms and a sort of email list....the worst of it all is how people BILLieve there is a meaningful difference globally between Bernie & TrumpOLINI....if people care more for humanity than for JumpinJosh, we need peace through Green jobs championed by our Syracuse pal WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US with 5 decades experience knowing what and where action can be taken by humanity in the White House when only genocidal maniacs have ruled since January 1981

 

Interesting way for the Howie Hawkins campaign to spread it's message 

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5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are an ass. You post in a style and manner which makes everyone reluctant to even respond. That your content is just gibberish only makes you less likely to get a response. Don't expect to get any more responses from me unless for some reason I feel like mocking you. 

  I have not responded to him and am seriously considering cutting off a few other jack wagons because I have simply run out any desire to deal with them.  

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46 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's a poor answer to my question. What life experience makes her qualified to sit in the Oval Office and make important decisions?

It's a fine answer to your question because having qualifications for the job are now seen as detrimental.

 

I guess she has a spouse that's been through the challenges of being a president looming over a recession that she can draw advice from (I know people aren't a fan of his on here but he does have eight years experience at the job).  She helped pass that school lunch program thing earlier on with bipartisan support in Congress so she does have some experience when it comes to writing and passing a bill.  Other than that, she worked at the University of Chicago as an Associate Dean I believe and had a leadership role at the university's hospital.  Graduate of Princeton and Harvard law so the work ethic is there.

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Just now, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

@Gary Busey written like all true cowards and Neanderthals shaken out of their caves into sunlight of truth....putting on blinders leaves the field for us truth telling humans to run circles around your dittoheads echo chambers

 

 

I'm still in the cave with Bob blasting the bong. Truth telling humans running circles around people in a field sounds pretty boring and a lot like Duck, Duck, Goose or maybe Heads Up 7 Up.

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