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How big of a moment was Hostetler not fumbling the ball, and the Bills only getting a safety? Do you think they win that game if its a TD recovery? Whenever I watch the replay, I am in disbelief that he held on to that ball. It would've been 17-3 if Buffalo recovered it for a TD. It was 12-3, then Bills go three and out, before the Giants score a TD by Ingram.

 

The Giants would've had to go to a passing game down two touchdowns. Their bread and butter was milking the clock and rushing the ball. I don't see them faring well going toe to toe with Buffalo ( Passing wise).

 

Your thoughts?

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Scoring more points would've definitely given the Bills a greater advantage.

 

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A hypothetical question from a game played 27 years ago??

 

Did you just wake up from a long nap?

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1 minute ago, COTC said:

A hypothetical question from a game played 27 years ago??

 

Did you just wake up from a long nap?

I just re watched the game on YouTube. Then, I googled the play itself. Players on both teams say it was a key moment. 

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No. I think we were destined to lose four straight super bowls and would have found a way to lose the 17-3 lead. 

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1 minute ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I just re watched the game on YouTube. Then, I googled the play itself. Players on both teams say it was a key moment. 

Can you tell us more about your day? Dinner plans?

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Yeah - the non-fumble was enormous.  Higher score and they can’t run OJ Anderson for the first 10 minutes of that 2nd half.  

 

We probably win another SB or 2 also, and enjoy more peaceful and satisfied lives today.

 

Oh, well...

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2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Can you tell us more about your day? Dinner plans?

This made me laugh out loud.

 

Thank you.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Can you tell us more about your day? Dinner plans?

I wasn't born yet lol...

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2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I wasn't born yet lol...

I'm just busting your chops. It's kind of a silly thread, but sometimes these threads can be fun.

 

In all seriousness, that definitely changed the course of the game, but there's literally nothing new that can be said about it.

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That play taught the whole next generation of pass rushers that you do not just grab, you swipe to get that ball out. 

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Hostetler not fumbling wasn't the big turning point. The turning point was Andre Reed dropping an easy first down over the middle on the Bills following drive (because of the safety the Giants had to kick it back to the Bills immediately). At 12-3 up and the Bills with ALL the momentum, if they go down and score then, the Giants wouldn't have come back, not with that offense. 

 

That game is just one long list of what ifs and should haves. If they'd given Thomas the ball more he would have ended up with about 250 yards rushing and about three or four TDs. 

24 minutes ago, COTC said:

A hypothetical question from a game played 27 years ago??

 

Did you just wake up from a long nap?

Wow, 27 years ago. I still remember taking a dump at halftime as if it were yesterday.

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29 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

How big of a moment was Hostetler not fumbling the ball, and the Bills only getting a safety? Do you think they win that game if its a TD recovery? Whenever I watch the replay, I am in disbelief that he held on to that ball. It would've been 17-3 if Buffalo recovered it for a TD. It was 12-3, then Bills go three and out, before the Giants score a TD by Ingram.

 

The Giants would've had to go to a passing game down two touchdowns. Their bread and butter was milking the clock and rushing the ball. I don't see them faring well going toe to toe with Buffalo ( Passing wise).

 

Your thoughts?

My thoughts? I still have nightmares about the 4 Superbowls and do not like to discuss them...I attended the 1st 3 and still hard to believe losing all 4

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1 minute ago, nucci said:

My thoughts? I still have nightmares about the 4 Superbowls and do not like to discuss them...I attended the 1st 3 and still hard to believe losing all 4

On the plus side at least you can always say you saw New Kids on the Block, Michael Jackson and Gloria Estefan live...

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When it was 12-3 and the Bills had the ball, Andre Reed dropped a pass to convert a third down on that drive.

 

That was the turning point in the game.

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There were countless things that led to that loss (why didn’t Thurman get more runs, why can’t we tackle Ingram, etc.) but how that ball didn’t come out is the one I just can’t get my head around. That seemed to defy the laws of physics....and just the thought of it still hurts.

 

 

Oh, and the most important part of that day was I didn’t punch my wife’s co-worker Lisa right in the face. She decided to come to MY house and be a Giant’s fan....just cuz it was fun for her. I’ve NEVER thought of hitting a female, but she was at least my size (and I’m 6’1” and 190lbs) , and she was practically begging for it. Taunting me! My wife had to intervene a bit there. (“Listen, he’s not kidding about this”.)  We all survived, even if scarred a bit in the soul.....

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28 minutes ago, njbuff said:

When it was 12-3 and the Bills had the ball, Andre Reed dropped a pass to convert a third down on that drive.

 

That was the turning point in the game.

 

Yup.  They had a chance to put that game away early and let it slip away.

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This ones on me. I know if I would have yelled louder at my TV for the kick to go in, it would’ve. 

 

Sorry guys- I was just a dumb teenager.... didn’t know any better. 

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Today Leon seals would have been permanently banned and hostettler would not have been able to return.   

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I know it's the minority on this thread, but why do certain people insist on bashing what is a perfectly reasonable question?... The poster's handle includes 8989, maybe he was born in '89?!... Maybe he's a young Bills fan - again, asking a fair question - wanting to learn about the history of the team?... 

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3 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

How big of a moment was Hostetler not fumbling the ball, and the Bills only getting a safety? Do you think they win that game if its a TD recovery? Whenever I watch the replay, I am in disbelief that he held on to that ball. It would've been 17-3 if Buffalo recovered it for a TD. It was 12-3, then Bills go three and out, before the Giants score a TD by Ingram.

 

The Giants would've had to go to a passing game down two touchdowns. Their bread and butter was milking the clock and rushing the ball. I don't see them faring well going toe to toe with Buffalo ( Passing wise).

 

Your thoughts?

 

Don't pay attention to the grumpy people on this board who think that it is not appropriate to post about the Bills' first Super Bowl on a Buffalo Bills message board.

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7 minutes ago, Free Speech said:

I know it's the minority on this thread, but why do certain people insist on bashing what is a perfectly reasonable question?... The poster's handle includes 8989, maybe he was born in '89?!... Maybe he's a young Bills fan - again, asking a fair question - wanting to learn about the history of the team?... 

Thanks for defending me. 89 is my favorite number. I was born in 93.

 

I kind of feared bringing this up may get a bad reaction. However, going to 4 straight SB's is still impressive.

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5 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Thanks for defending me. 89 is my favorite number. I was born in 93.

 

I kind of feared bringing this up may get a bad reaction. However, going to 4 straight SB's is still impressive.

If you fear bringing up legitimate Bills points and questions, then this board has a serious problem... Keep asking - ignore the bitter ones

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This ones on me. I know if I would have yelled louder at my TV for the kick to go in, it would’ve. 

 

Sorry guys- I was just a dumb teenager.... didn’t know any better. 

No, according to K. Davis you could not have counteracted the rotorwash from the helicopter.  I blame Saddam Hussein.  

 

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3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Hostetler not fumbling wasn't the big turning point. The turning point was Andre Reed dropping an easy first down over the middle on the Bills following drive (because of the safety the Giants had to kick it back to the Bills immediately). At 12-3 up and the Bills with ALL the momentum, if they go down and score then, the Giants wouldn't have come back, not with that offense. 

 

That game is just one long list of what ifs and should haves. If they'd given Thomas the ball more he would have ended up with about 250 yards rushing and about three or four TDs. 

Wow, 27 years ago. I still remember taking a dump at halftime as if it were yesterday.

back then all the toilets had a pull chain to flush them, didn’t they?

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