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I just dont get the McD hate around here, or even the Allen hate.  We are literally 2-1 in the games following some switch that flipped at halftime against the Chargers. McD took a mediocre team and snapped a 17 year drought.  Not to mention, we should have been a 10 win team had ZJ not run such a crap route and trip over himself against Carolina.  

 

This year, since inserting himself to resolve a terrible defensive situation, our D has really come to life and been at the heart of a 2-1 record against 3 tough opponents.  And he is doing this with a rookie QB being forced to play with the literal worst collection of offensive talent around him currently in the NFL.  Most of our starters on offense would have a hard time being backups, let alone starting on most teams.  

 

Yet here we are...2-1 (including destroying a SB contender in Josh Allens first road start).  McD just keeps making chicken salad out of chicken s**t and people still piss and moan about him.  People calling him Juaron and crap.  Its crazy to me.  

 

And Allen...people need to calm the F down.  He has had some good moments and some bad moments, he is young and being forced to learn with no help.  To over react to every struggle right now is as premature as Jason Biggs touching Nadia in American Pie.  Kid has an insane amount of potential and when you see it start to come out is a beautiful thing.  He is making rookie mistakes, and he will CONTINUE to make mistakes, especially with him always trying to do too much because the personnel around him sucks.  But this regime is armed with cap space and draft assets to start building around the kid on offense this next off season.  So just R-E-L-A-X because its going to be a season or two before we know where this kids career is likely headed.  

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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I just dont get the McD hate around here, or even the Allen hate.  We are literally 2-1 in the games following some switch that flipped at halftime against SD.  McD took a mediocre team and snapped a 17 year drought.  Not to mention, we should have been a 10 win team had ZJ not run such a crap route and trip over himself against Carolina.  

 

This year, since inserting himself to resolve a terrible defensive situation, our D has really come to life and been at the heart of a 2-1 record against 3 tough opponents.  And he is doing this with a rookie QB being forced to play with the literal worst collection of offensive talent around him currently in the NFL.  Most of our starters on offense would have a hard time being backups, let alone starting on most teams.  

 

Yet here we are...2-1 (including destroying a SB contender in Josh Allens first road start).  McD just keeps making chicken salad out of chicken s**t and people still piss and moan about him.  People calling him Juaron and crap.  Its crazy to me.  

 

And Allen...people need to calm the F down.  He has had some good moments and some bad moments, he is young and being forced to learn with no help.  To over react to every struggle right now is as premature as Jason Biggs touching Nadia in American Pie.  Kid has an insane amount of potential and when you see it start to come out is a beautiful thing.  He is making rookie mistakes, and he will CONTINUE to make mistakes, especially with him always trying to do too much because the personnel around him sucks.  But this regime is armed with cap space and draft assets to start building around the kid on offense this next off season.  So just R-E-L-A-X because its going to be a season or two before we know where this kids career is likely headed.  

Exactly!  Thank you for being a voice of reason and perspective. 

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25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I just dont get the McD hate around here, or even the Allen hate.  We are literally 2-1 in the games following some switch that flipped at halftime against SD.  McD took a mediocre team and snapped a 17 year drought.  Not to mention, we should have been a 10 win team had ZJ not run such a crap route and trip over himself against Carolina.  

 

This year, since inserting himself to resolve a terrible defensive situation, our D has really come to life and been at the heart of a 2-1 record against 3 tough opponents.  And he is doing this with a rookie QB being forced to play with the literal worst collection of offensive talent around him currently in the NFL.  Most of our starters on offense would have a hard time being backups, let alone starting on most teams.  

 

Yet here we are...2-1 (including destroying a SB contender in Josh Allens first road start).  McD just keeps making chicken salad out of chicken s**t and people still piss and moan about him.  People calling him Juaron and crap.  Its crazy to me.  

 

And Allen...people need to calm the F down.  He has had some good moments and some bad moments, he is young and being forced to learn with no help.  To over react to every struggle right now is as premature as Jason Biggs touching Nadia in American Pie.  Kid has an insane amount of potential and when you see it start to come out is a beautiful thing.  He is making rookie mistakes, and he will CONTINUE to make mistakes, especially with him always trying to do too much because the personnel around him sucks.  But this regime is armed with cap space and draft assets to start building around the kid on offense this next off season.  So just R-E-L-A-X because its going to be a season or two before we know where this kids career is likely headed.  

“We’re 2-1 (if you don’t count the two blow out losses)” are my favorite kind of posts. 

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

“We’re 2-1 (if you don’t count the two blow out losses)” are my favorite kind of posts. 

And you wrap your mind around the scores to much instead of whether they are wins or losses......

 

We are 2-3......there are also some good teams in the league that are 2-3 and didnt go through our 1st quarter murderers row of a schedule.

 

I am not saying the bills are a good team right now....but they are finding ways to win games that they should not.

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Since "flipping the switch" we got shut out, then scored 13 points on Sunday.............

I'm excited to have a week to give it back to my buddies at work in LA, but

nobody's buying the dream that we are making the playoffs this year.

Except maybe some "homers' around TBD.

 

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And you wrap your mind around the scores to much instead of whether they are wins or losses......

 

We are 2-3......there are also some good teams in the league that are 2-3 and didnt go through our 1st quarter murderers row of a schedule.

 

I am not saying the bills are a good team right now....but they are finding ways to win games that they should not.

Lol murderer's row?

 

We beat one team with a winning record.

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Lol murderer's row?

 

We beat one team with a winning record.

If you think those are not good teams you are fooling yourself.......

 

By the end of the year those teams will have picked up the wins they are supposed to have...that is why there is a 16 game season

 

That is one of the problems with you......short sighted as !@#$

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If you think those are not good teams you are fooling yourself.......

 

By the end of the year those teams will have picked up the wins they are supposed to have...that is why there is a 16 game season

 

That is one of the problems with you......short sighted as !@#$

Yeah exactly.  Everyone is picking Minnesota to win the Super Bowl this year right now, just like they did in preseason.  LOL

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12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

SD? South Dakota? Sudden Death? Stupid Decision?  Come on what the hell is SD!?!  :lol:

 

11 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

Am I the only one who gets a kick out of seeing the chargers referred to as “San Diego”?

 

They shouldn’t have moved...

 

Hahahaha yeah, my bad...fixed ha

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7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Orton here is strictly here for comedy value.....cannot really take anything he says seriously.

No John.  You're just wrong, again.

 

Last year, we beat the Broncos, who were supposed to be good.  They ended up sucking.  We beat the Falcon, reigning NFC champs.  They barely squeaked out 9-7.

 

How many years do you have to get burned by the stove before you realize its hot?  Honestly.

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15 minutes ago, B Fan in LA said:

Since "flipping the switch" we got shut out, then scored 13 points on Sunday.............

I'm excited to have a week to give it back to my buddies at work in LA, but

nobody's buying the dream that we are making the playoffs this year.

Except maybe some "homers' around TBD.

 

 

I guess you missed the game where we blew out the Vikings in Minnesota.  

 

And no one said playoffs, and NO ONE SHOULD think playoffs.  The offense has nothing around Allen except Shady.  Point was that its puzzling how anyone could be upset with McD right now after what he did last year and how he has rallied this team at halftime in the Charger game to go 2-1 against 3 tough opponents.

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No John.  You're just wrong, again.

 

Last year, we beat the Broncos, who were supposed to be good.  They ended up sucking.  We beat the Falcon, reigning NFC champs.  They barely squeaked out 9-7.

 

How many years do you have to get burned by the stove before you realize its hot?  Honestly.

 

Expect none of what happened in years past has anything to do with this team, this roster, this staff.  NOTHING.  

 

And you should be LOVING this.  Would you rather this team CONTINUE down the path of being a middling team trying to make middling Free Agents move the needle at key positions like QB and stuff?  For the love of god, 2 decades of it not working someone had to come in and TEAR down yesterday to BUILD for tomorrow.  I am personally sick of middling teams scrapping by with 7 to 9 win seasons because we plugged in cast offs at key positions like QB and stuff.  

 

This needed to happen...get rid of dead weight and contacts, free up the cap to be free to both pursue FA and keep our young players over the next couple of seasons, and acquire draft assets to get anchors on D and O for the future like Allen and Edmunds, not to mention all the picks we have this year to go with what will likely be fairly valuable picks of our own.  

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Expect none of what happened in years past has anything to do with this team, this roster, this staff.  NOTHING.  

 

And you should be LOVING this.  Would you rather this team CONTINUE down the path of being a middling team trying to make middling Free Agents move the needle at key positions like QB and stuff?  For the love of god, 2 decades of it not working someone had to come in and TEAR down yesterday to BUILD for tomorrow.  I am personally sick of middling teams scrapping by with 7 to 9 win seasons because we plugged in cast offs at key positions like QB and stuff.  

 

This needed to happen...get rid of dead weight and contacts, free up the cap to be free to both pursue FA and keep our young players over the next couple of seasons, and acquire draft assets to get anchors on D and O for the future like Allen and Edmunds, not to mention all the picks we have this year to go with what will likely be fairly valuable picks of our own.  

Orton is the classic punchbowl pisser......not happy unless the team is bad

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Expect none of what happened in years past has anything to do with this team, this roster, this staff.  NOTHING.  

 

And you should be LOVING this.  Would you rather this team CONTINUE down the path of being a middling team trying to make middling Free Agents move the needle at key positions like QB and stuff?  For the love of god, 2 decades of it not working someone had to come in and TEAR down yesterday to BUILD for tomorrow.  I am personally sick of middling teams scrapping by with 7 to 9 win seasons because we plugged in cast offs at key positions like QB and stuff.  

 

This needed to happen...get rid of dead weight and contacts, free up the cap to be free to both pursue FA and keep our young players over the next couple of seasons, and acquire draft assets to get anchors on D and O for the future like Allen and Edmunds, not to mention all the picks we have this year to go with what will likely be fairly valuable picks of our own.  

What are you talking about?  Not only did this not address my post at all, it's wrong.

 

We literally signed "middling" free agents.  We signed Star at a premium.  We made Patrick Dimarco the highest paid fullback in the league.  We signed Chris Ivory, Trent Murphy.

 

Here is the great big secret.  We didn't go between 7-9 and 9-7 from 2013-2016 because we signed middle of the road free agents.  We won that many games because we had a PRETTY GOOD TEAM with garbage at the QB position.  PERIOD.  Dareus, Mario, Gilmore, Shady, Watkins.  ZERO OF THEM WERE MIDDLING FREE AGENTS.  Darby, Preston Brown, Aaron Williams, Wood, Woods, Goodwin, Glenn.  ZERO OF THEM WEE MIDDLING FREE AGENTS.

 

Bad take.  

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Orton is the classic punchbowl pisser......not happy unless the team is bad

I just can't believe we beat the the NFC Super Bowl team, the Minnesota Vikings.  Wanna bet they don't get there John?

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

What are you talking about?  Not only did this not address my post at all, it's wrong.

 

We literally signed "middling" free agents.  We signed Star at a premium.  We made Patrick Dimarco the highest paid fullback in the league.  We signed Chris Ivory, Trent Murphy.

 

Here is the great big secret.  We didn't go between 7-9 and 9-7 from 2013-2016 because we signed middle of the road free agents.  We won that many games because we had a PRETTY GOOD TEAM with garbage at the QB position.  PERIOD.  Dareus, Mario, Gilmore, Shady, Watkins.  ZERO OF THEM WERE MIDDLING FREE AGENTS.  Darby, Preston Brown, Aaron Williams, Wood, Woods, Goodwin, Glenn.  ZERO OF THEM WEE MIDDLING FREE AGENTS.

 

Bad take.  

I just can't believe we beat the the NFC Super Bowl team, the Minnesota Vikings.  Wanna bet they don't get there John?

 

Wrong...they got rid of everyone and acquired assets to rebuild in the draft critical positions at QB and MLB.  They got rid of bad contracts for cap flexibility moving forward.  I mean I can go on and on, but whats the point, you are just going to spin it whatever way you want anyway.   But they are doing it completely different than the scrubs that haunted this FO for the previous 2 decades.  If you cant see that, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

PS:  Those guys were all draft picks except Mario.  Some of those guys singed elsewhere as FA, several are retired and a couple were traded to get assets to go get that VERY QB you just said we never had.  So how am I wrong?  Oh yeah, I am not...they are taking a different path than previous FO's that thought they can sign crap guys like FitzTragic or Tyrod...or draft weak armed QB's like Tentative or Peterman to fix QB issues.  

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Wrong...they got rid of everyone and acquired assets to rebuild in the draft critical positions at QB and MLB.  They got rid of bad contracts for cap flexibility moving forward.  I mean I can go on and on, but whats the point, you are just going to spin it whatever way you want anyway.   But they are doing it completely different than the scrubs that haunted this FO for the previous 2 decades.  If you cant see that, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

PS:  Those guys were all draft picks except Mario.  Some of those guys singed elsewhere as FA, several are retired and a couple were traded to get assets to go get that VERY QB you just said we never had.  So how am I wrong?  Oh yeah, I am not...they are taking a different path than previous FO's that thought they can sign crap guys like FitzTragic or Tyrod...or draft weak armed QB's like Tentative or Peterman to fix QB issues.  

Because you're dead wrong.  That's why it's so funny.

 

We had the assets to get the QB all along.  Our head coach passed on Watson AND Mahomes.

 

If we had re-signed Woods, we would have had Watson/Mahomes in 2017 passing to Watkins, Woods, Zay, with Richie, Wood, Glenn, Darby, Hyde, Poyer, Dareus, Hughes, Kyle, Dawkins, Milano.

 

Acting like this FO "got it right" trading everyone from the 2016 team away, just to get assets to try to replace them is hilarious. And acting like they needed to trade everybody to get a QB when they had already passed on two better ones to get a DB is even more funny. 

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Because you're dead wrong.  That's why it's so funny.

 

We had the assets to get the QB all along.  Our head coach passed on Watson AND Mahomes.

 

If we had re-signed Woods, we would have had Watson/Mahomes in 2017 passing to Watkins, Woods, Zay, with Richie, Wood, Glenn, Darby, Hyde, Poyer, Dareus, Hughes, Kyle, Dawkins, Milano.

 

Acting like this FO "got it right" trading everyone from the 2016 team away, just to get assets to try to replace them is hilarious.  

He hadn't even been the coach for 6 months when that draft happened. Drafting a QB with your #1 pick is huge and you want to do your research before you make that choice. Also the GM who was replaced right after the draft would have a huge say in it.

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5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Because you're dead wrong.  That's why it's so funny.

 

We had the assets to get the QB all along.  Our head coach passed on Watson AND Mahomes.

 

If we had re-signed Woods, we would have had Watson/Mahomes in 2017 passing to Watkins, Woods, Zay, with Richie, Wood, Glenn, Darby, Hyde, Poyer, Dareus, Hughes, Kyle, Dawkins, Milano.

 

Acting like this FO "got it right" trading everyone from the 2016 team away, just to get assets to try to replace them is hilarious. And acting like they needed to trade everybody to get a QB when they had already passed on two better ones to get a DB is even more funny. 

 

NEWS FLASH:  OUR GM BEANE WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT DRAFT.  Nor was he here for Woods, Zay, or any of those other players you keep talking about.  But keep going, keep spinning it bud. 

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NEWS FLASH:  OUR GM BEANE WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT DRAFT.  Nor was he here for Woods, Zay, or any of those other players you keep talking about.  But keep going, keep spinning it bud. 

McD was.

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We beat two 2017 playoff teams.   The Titans have a loosing record because we beat them.

The Titans don't have a losing record.  They are the team with the winning record.

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McD was.

The Titans don't have a losing record.  They are the team with the winning record.

He'd barely been here when that draft happened and that is the GM's decision. Seriously the first draft they'd both been here for a year for they picked their QB. I'm sorry he isn't the one you wanted but he's the one they picked with time to evaluate him.

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He'd barely been here when that draft happened and that is the GM's decision. Seriously the first draft they'd both been here for a year for they picked their QB. I'm sorry he isn't the one you wanted but he's the one they picked with time to evaluate him.

Has nothing to do with the ones I wanted, has to do with the good ones.

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I had a childish rant about McDermott a week ago and I have my doubts STILL, but I am in NO WAY clairvoyant, I can NOT see into the future. McDermott has a rookie QB, I give him 2 years with Allen and see how he develops young QBs. My "feelings" don't matter, facts and observations over a sizeable timetable MATTER. 2 more years, although I may know sooner if it's obvious.

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3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Because you're dead wrong.  That's why it's so funny.

 

We had the assets to get the QB all along.  Our head coach passed on Watson AND Mahomes.

 

If we had re-signed Woods, we would have had Watson/Mahomes in 2017 passing to Watkins, Woods, Zay, with Richie, Wood, Glenn, Darby, Hyde, Poyer, Dareus, Hughes, Kyle, Dawkins, Milano.

 

Acting like this FO "got it right" trading everyone from the 2016 team away, just to get assets to try to replace them is hilarious. And acting like they needed to trade everybody to get a QB when they had already passed on two better ones to get a DB is even more funny. 

 

 

Yup, acting like they "got it right" makes absolutely no sense ... anymore than pretending they got it wrong.

 

What they've done is started a process. If you become a GM, great, do it your way and we'll evaluate. But in the meantime, if they don't want Dareus on their team after seeing him for months, that's not a mistake. It's a choice which has a long way to go before it will be proven correct or incorrect. If they build a terrific team, their process will have been proven successful. If their team has been proven still sucky after four or five years, their method will have been proven unsuccessful.

 

Putting together groups like the one you have above in your third paragraph is an academic exercise at best. You can't compare a list of names to another list of names and find out if they're better than another list. It's whether that group of guys can play well ... together ... with that coach ... under the coach's system ... within that team's salary cap constrictions. We now know that Dareus can't play for McD. We also know that the owner asked our GM to get the salary cap mess cleaned up by the end of this year, impossible with your list, which is almost certainly why Woods, Watkins, Dareus, Gilmore and a few others aren't here.

 

But arguing anyone is dead wrong at this point is ... well, it's dead wrong. We'll have a much better idea in a year or two. Now, we don't know.

 

 

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Has nothing to do with the ones I wanted, has to do with the good ones.

 

 

That draft was Tre White, Zay, Dion Dawkins, and Milano. Those are three terrific value picks even without Zay, who still might turn out to be a good one if we're lucky and he keeps developing.

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