26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 7:57 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Ex-Bills GM Whaley named NFLPA's college scouting director WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley is taking over as the NFL Players Association's director of college scouting. Whaley will oversee the recruitment, evaluation and selection of draft-eligible prospects to compete at the annual NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. He replaces Tony Softli, who left to become the Alliance of American Football's scouting director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said: Ok I have had a few to drink tonight. Having said that aside from the Watkins trade (other than that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln) he made some decent moves on the player side. If we had promoted schwartz we would have likely been a playoff team in 2015 and 2016. Even with Rex as coach, a decision which wasn’t his, we were really close each year. Last year when we made the playoffs a majority of Whaley’s DNA was in that team. He will likely never come back in the near future but as far as drought GMs go he was the best and probably helped end the drought more than any other person. I know you’ve got one heck of a hangover to suffer through this morning—my condolences ?! That said, I won’t argue over the low bar that is “drought GM’s” and their rankings—I will commit that he was better than his immediate predecessor Nix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 sure. just hit the restart button, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 6 hours ago, CookieG said: My only hope is that they realize their limitations and hire someone who can. Tired take. If you on the one hand say they don’t know offense but haven’t taken anyone, how can you know their limitations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 No no one would have thought about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: sure. just hit the restart button, why not? ...maybe we could wake Buddy up and bring 'em outta retirement/hibernation?.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 14 hours ago, Augie said: I wonder what things might have looked like if Sammy didn’t have that dirty knee/jump dirty shot to the the ribs in preseason as a rookie. No need to wonder. Just look at his stints in LA and KC so far.. And to answer the question in the OP's thread title: no, absolutely no one in the NFL has considered bringing in Doug Whaley to scout pro personnel (do they really need to be "scouted"?--every team has miles of film on every other team and it's players and the number of players is limited. It's always a question of what a team will give up for a guy they want. That;s not scouting). Anyway, "water always finds its level" and Whaley's skill set has found its level...scouting C list college kids for an obscure all star game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Are we sure that Beane is a better GM than Whaley? He certainly isn’t as good on the pro side. Beane gets a lot of credit for “fixing the cap” but it’s easy to tear it down. Building it back is the tricky part. We have no idea what that will look like. I have liked the way that Beane has navigated the draft. Beane is lucky McD picked him and not the other way around. Whaley couldn't draft stars and couldn't pick a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Wasn't that his job last time he was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The professional players that he signed or traded for vs. the professional players that this regime has signed or traded for. Whaley was ELITE in that area. It isn’t even a discussion. I think that this is true but there have been misses (see Jones, Zay). In general though he’s drafted pretty well. Can you give me the top 5 examples you are thinking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 17 hours ago, vorpma said: You can't be serious; if he did such a great job he would be a GM now! He failed, lousy drafts, lousy trades, lousy FA signings! He is not working as a GM for a reason, get serious dude! Lol well maybe I missed all the lousy trades and free agent signings, cause he hit major home runs on a lot of those. The drafts were questionable I’ll give ya that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 52 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Lol well maybe I missed all the lousy trades and free agent signings, cause he hit major home runs on a lot of those. The drafts were questionable I’ll give ya that Bottom line - not even close to the playoffs during his time here and had compatibility issues with two head coaches - Cowther and Marrone. If he had it he would a GM or head scout today but he is not! 54 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Lol well maybe I missed all the lousy trades and free agent signings, cause he hit major home runs on a lot of those. The drafts were questionable I’ll give ya that Who did he hit home runs on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He has a job. Not a very good one. He’d jump at the chance to rejoin an NFL team. While the move makes sense on paper, it would be foolish for Beane to bring him on onboard. Would you really the person whose job you took to work under you? Doesn’t seem like a good situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said: Can you give me the top 5 examples you are thinking about? Whaley brought in InCog, traded for Shady, signed Tyrod (say what you will about him but Tyrod was a huge upgrade at QB from EJ), signed Lorax, and also found Mills who was/is a decent RT who they got for basically nothing. Whaley was also working with McD when they found Hyde, Proyer, and Haush. Whaley wasn't perfect there were some misses but the pro-personnel decisions were very good overall. That being said Whaley isn't coming back nor would it be a good idea to bring him back. In any organization you can't have someone who used to be the boss working under the guy that forced him out. Also a lot of the pro-scouts that Whaley assembled are probably no longer with the organization. The Bills should probably just look to invest in better overall pro-scouting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said: Can you give me the top 5 examples you are thinking about? Whaley did a pretty good job of signing those lower tier players/free agents who ended up being very productive on the team. He was not so good at drafting and he was marginally below average at big free agent signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: Can you give me the top 5 examples you are thinking about? Sure: Zach Brown (minimal salary - Pro Bowl) Mike Gillislee (5.7 YPC tops in the league & 8 TDS) Poyer Hyde Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard Does that work for you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure: Zach Brown (minimal salary - Pro Bowl) Mike Gillislee (5.7 YPC tops in the league & 8 TDS) Poyer Hyde Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard Does that work for you? Ha ha ha ha ha ha okay bro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure: Zach Brown (minimal salary - Pro Bowl) Mike Gillislee (5.7 YPC tops in the league & 8 TDS) Poyer Hyde Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard Does that work for you? To be honest that list isn't ELITE like you were going on about earlier. Hughes was a really good trade but over the 4 or 5 years he was GM I'm not sure that list is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: Bottom line - not even close to the playoffs during his time here and had compatibility issues with two head coaches - Cowther and Marrone. If he had it he would a GM or head scout today but he is not! Who did he hit home runs on? The McCoy trade, signing zac brown, the obvious Hughes trade. Preston brown was a good draft pick and also Darby.. Not sure if we blame EJ on him, but same year woods, goodwin, Hopkins, Alonso, all starters on their teams now Signing incognito, manny Lawson, nickel roby (udfa) No matter how you spin it, the guy made bold moves. We know of the misses but seriously how can you not say he went out and built good rosters? If you pair decent quarterback play with those teams they are playoffs easily. Kyle friggen Orton almost had them in the playoffs. Let’s not forget he built rosters for 2 coaches with complete different schemes. Went through a weird transition of a new owner. I totally get the negatives about him, but the guy made moves and acquired talent. As for not having a GM job right now, most guys take time off after being let go, and resurface later. And I’m not sure what his current job is but it wasn’t a crap job maybe he makes decent money at that and has more free time. to call the guy a bad gm or garbage is silly. Nobody succeeds without a hit on a quarterback. That was his failure. But many fail there’s only so many franchise quarterbacks around to acquire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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