WR Prospect talk

[Bfanlc]

Are there any round 1 type receivers? Not sure this is a good year for receivers in the draft.

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, Bfanlc said:

Are there any round 1 type receivers? Not sure this is a good year for receivers in the draft.

 

Yes, probably a bunch of them that have a chance of going in Round 1:

 

Kelvin Harmon

DK Metcalf (depending on if he declares/how he's rehabbing)

N'Keal Harry

AJ Brown

Marquise Brown

 

and guys that I think will at least get some love:

Collin Johnson

JJ Arcega-Whiteside

Deebo Samuel

 

Nobody that I'd expect to go in the top 5-10 where Buffalo will be picking, but it's a pretty deep WR class IMO.

 

Edit: I'd also add Hakeem Butler to the mix.

Edited October 30, 2018 by DCOrange

[Soda Popinski]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Yes, probably a bunch of them that have a chance of going in Round 1:

 

Kelvin Harmon

DK Metcalf (depending on if he declares/how he's rehabbing)

N'Keal Harry

AJ Brown

Marquise Brown

 

and guys that I think will at least get some love:

Collin Johnson

JJ Arcega-Whiteside

Deebo Samuel

 

Nobody that I'd expect to go in the top 5-10 where Buffalo will be picking, but it's a pretty deep WR class IMO

Well we need two, we need a true #1 WR and we need a deep threat.    Preferrably not named Marquise, or...cripes, what was the name of the WR we drafted right before Russell Wilson, another colossal blunder.    GRAHAM.  TJ Worthless Graham. 

[DCOrange]

4 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

Well we need two, we need a true #1 WR and we need a deep threat.    Preferrably not named Marquise, or...cripes, what was the name of the WR we drafted right before Russell Wilson, another colossal blunder.    GRAHAM.  TJ Worthless Graham. 

 

I think we need 3 between free agency and the draft to be honest. I think Buffalo will sign Adam Humphries to play in the slot and then I would guess they at least check in with someone like Tyrell Williams and ultimately draft at least one WR early.

[Soda Popinski]

7 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I think we need 3 between free agency and the draft to be honest. I think Buffalo will sign Adam Humphries to play in the slot and then I would guess they at least check in with someone like Tyrell Williams and ultimately draft at least one WR early.

you and i are in complete agreement.  I like Zay and beyond that we need a complete overhaul of the position.  Except Holmes.   I like him.   

[Mr_Robotulism]

On 10/23/2018 at 10:28 AM, DCOrange said:

 

He'd definitely add the speed and quickness that Buffalo needs. I think the questions with him are his hands and size. He's listed at 160 lbs. That's just nuts, and there's obviously the question of what he'll lose by putting on the weight that he probably needs to play in the NFL.

 

I've also seen people question his hands a decent amount which isn't great considering what Buffalo has dealt with the past couple years.

 

If he's there in the 2nd round I think you gotta consider him, but I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him where Buffalo is likely picking in the 1st (unless they have a significant trade down).

Anyone worried about Hollywood Brown's hands have never watched him play....dude doesn't drop balls. He could be a Lockett/Sproles type

[Kirby Jackson]

 

[JohnC]

On 10/23/2018 at 1:58 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He stands out.......dude is electric.

 

 

He reminds me of the Steeler's Antonio Brown. When he is on the field your eyes go to this dynamic player. He has a compelling life story that  makes him even more admirable. 

[sugashane69]

On 10/1/2018 at 3:48 PM, sugashane69 said:

Harry from Az st.  BIG WR with hands n grit.  ...tyrie Cleveland from florida..... good size can run but will do the dirty work in middle of field.   Texas has a couple big boys to that dont look to bad.  Anything is a upgrade at this point lol

I want to add Lil Jordan Humphrey in there after yesterday.  Go gets the jump ball!  Like KB USED to do.

[H2o]

I had mentioned Butler in another thread before. The knock I have read on him is he disappears at times. I'm not sure if that's on him, the OC, or the QB. Either way he is part of what looks like may be a pretty good WR class this year imo. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 11/3/2018 at 1:34 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

definitely like this kid, looks and plays the part.

 

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/06/28/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-database/4/

 

 

[Rad Likes The Bills]

I’m all in on the Hakeem Butler train. He plays just like AJ Green. 

[Ittakestime]

Every time I see a good WR that the Bills desperately need (like a Hill), the kid is an underclassman.  So frustrating.

 

I still think Anthony Johnson will end up being one of the best WR to come out of this class.  He is extremely good at tracking the ball.

[DCOrange]

For those that have a subscription with The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/637156/2018/11/07/draft-alert-breaking-down-3-wide-receivers-who-could-be-game-changers-for-the-bills-in-2019/

 

For those that don't, Erik Turner (Cover1) suggests N'Keal Harry, Hollywood Brown, and AJ Brown as guys that would be a good fit for the Daboll's scheme/Allen's skillset.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/07/perfect-pairs-between-2018-qb-class-and-2019-rookies/

 

In this link, Kyle Crabbs of the Draft Network looks at each rookie QB and pairs them with a prospect for the upcoming draft. For Josh Allen, he pairs him with DK Metcalf from Ole Miss, saying:

 

Quote

 

Nobody threw a prettier deep ball in the 2018 QB class than Josh Allen. When Allen had an open target down the field, he rarely passed on the chance to let it fly.

Just one problem: Buffalo doesn’t have that kind of receiver on the roster…unless Metcalf is healthy (and declares for the draft). Then, all bets are off. I can’t think of a better marriage of strengths for any two player than Metcalf’s deep ball skills and dynamic play making with Josh Allen’s big arm.

Allen’s best targets in 2018 have been a budding (but still developing) second year receiver in Zay Jones and…gulp…Kelvin Benjamin. If Benjamin’s stats were half as inflated as his ego (or his waistband), the Bills would be in much better shape.

But alas, neither is true.

 

Edited November 8, 2018 by DCOrange

[Pete]

I am banging on the table for Anthony Johnson.  He is 6'2 and the best deep threat in this class.  Just what Josh and the Bills offense need

I would love to see the Bills trade down, get some more picks, draft Johnson, and load up on offense

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, DCOrange said:

For those that have a subscription with The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/637156/2018/11/07/draft-alert-breaking-down-3-wide-receivers-who-could-be-game-changers-for-the-bills-in-2019/

 

For those that don't, Erik Turner (Cover1) suggests N'Keal Harry, Hollywood Brown, and AJ Brown as guys that would be a good fit for the Daboll's scheme/Allen's skillset.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/07/perfect-pairs-between-2018-qb-class-and-2019-rookies/

 

In this link, Kyle Crabbs of the Draft Network looks at each rookie QB and pairs them with a prospect for the upcoming draft. For Josh Allen, he pairs him with DK Metcalf from Ole Miss, saying:

 

Physically, Metcalf is Kelvin Benjamin 2.0, but it makes sense that a big target would be a good fit for a strong armed QB.

 

Allen is going to have to gain a lot of confidence if that's gonna work. Gotta trust his receiver to make a play on a 50/50 ball. 

 

It may be counterintuitive from a physical standpoint, but I'd rather see them take Marquis Brown because he's going to get so much separation. Obviously we'd have to take Brown very early and Metcalf could conceivably be there in the second.

 

[DCOrange]

By my count, Buffalo has now scouted 14 WR/TEs that have been mentioned as potential 1st/2nd round picks (well, I guess 13 since DK Metcalf was out this past weekend, but I'm sure they did some sniffing around about him while they were in town):

 

WRs:

N'Keal Harry

JJ Arcega-Whiteside

Hollywood Brown

Anthony Johnson

Riley Ridley

AJ Brown

DK Metcalf

Demarkus Lodge

Deebo Samuel

Bryan Edwards

 

TEs:

Noah Fant

Albert Okwuegbunam

Kaden Smith

Irv Smith

Edited November 9, 2018 by DCOrange

[DCOrange]

 

[Ittakestime]

19 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

 

Trash.  No Anthony Johnson in top 10 is laughable.  Some of those dudes on that list couldn't hold Johnson's jock strap.

[Kirby Jackson]

Watching a lot of Deebo Samuel today. I love him for us. Parris Campbell is another that I want. 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Watching a lot of Deebo Samuel today. I love him for us. Parris Campbell is another that I want. 

 

Yep, and Beane and Schoen (or however you spell it) just got to watch Deebo in person too; definitely seems like a guy to keep an eye on in the offseason.

7 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Trash.  No Anthony Johnson in top 10 is laughable.  Some of those dudes on that list couldn't hold Johnson's jock strap.

He seems to be a very divisive prospect. I've seen him listed around the #20 WR in the class by multiple reputable draft guys and then some people like Pro Football Focus for example see him as like a top 3-5 WR in this class. He seems to have a pretty gigantic range right now.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Yep, and Beane and Schoen (or however you spell it) just got to watch Deebo in person too; definitely seems like a guy to keep an eye on in the offseason.

He seems to be a very divisive prospect. I've seen him listed around the #20 WR in the class by multiple reputable draft guys and then some people like Pro Football Focus for example see him as like a top 3-5 WR in this class. He seems to have a pretty gigantic range right now.

I know people are hung up on these big bodied “open when they aren’t” guys. Not me, give me separation and explosion. Samuel is a decent size and runs throw tackles. He can also go the distance. I’d love to add both of those guys.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know people are hung up on these big bodied “open when they aren’t” guys. Not me, give me separation and explosion. Samuel is a decent size and runs throw tackles. He can also go the distance. I’d love to add both of those guys.

 

I like big bodied guys who get separation and explosion

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I like big bodied guys who get separation and explosion

 

 

I’m not against that. My point is that if it is big like Benjamin OR a route runner like Doug Baldwin I’d rather Baldwin.

 

Antonio Brown is the ultimate prototype. He runs the whole route tree, gains separation, takes it to the house.  Big plays are so important in today’s NFL. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not against that. My point is that if it is big like Benjamin OR a route runner like Doug Baldwin I’d rather Baldwin.

 

Antonio Brown is the ultimate prototype. He runs the whole route tree, gains separation, takes it to the house.  Big plays are so important in today’s NFL. 

 

Benjamin doesn't put in the effort, I would take Mike Evans all day. (Who I wanted instead of Watkins)

 

I'm still hoping we can get DK Metcalf and Hakim Butler .

 

AB is great but I think he is an exception, don't like most guys his size.

 

But I will take any WR that is a stud regardless of size.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Benjamin doesn't put in the effort, I would take Mike Evans all day. (Who I wanted instead of Watkins)

 

I'm still hoping we can get DK Metcalf and Hakim Butler .

 

AB is great but I think he is an exception, don't like most guys his size.

 

But I will take any WR that is a stud regardless of size.

 

 

I think that the bolded is the most important part. We have a MASSIVE need and hopefully they can raise the talent level. It shouldn’t be tough to do. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that the bolded is the most important part. We have a MASSIVE need and hopefully they can raise the talent level. It shouldn’t be tough to do. 

 

what do you think of this being a down year  for WRs ?

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

what do you think of this being a down year  for WRs ?

 

 

It doesn’t look as good as 2020 which is loaded but it is better than last year. I’m not sure that there are a ton of future number 1 receivers in this draft but there will be some. It also feels like a good group on day 2. There are a bunch of guys that could be like “Robert Woods quality.” 

 

If the Bills did something like signed Tyrell Williams, drafted Kelvin Harmon and Parris Campbell they would be a mile ahead of where they are now. I’m not sure that they’d have a Hopkins or Brown that dominates but they, along with Zay, would be a balanced WR room. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It doesn’t look as good as 2020 which is loaded but it is better than last year. I’m not sure that there are a ton of future number 1 receivers in this draft but there will be some. It also feels like a good group on day 2. There are a bunch of guys that could be like “Robert Woods quality.” 

 

If the Bills did something like signed Tyrell Williams, drafted Kelvin Harmon and Parris Campbell they would be a mile ahead of where they are now. I’m not sure that they’d have a Hopkins or Brown that dominates but they, along with Zay, would be a balanced WR room. 

 

Sounds right but I think these kids are a bit better than Woods was, guess time will tell.

 

We just might go defense first round but I'm really hoping we can get Jonah Williams, his pass blocking is exceptional.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Watching a lot of Deebo Samuel today. I love him for us. Parris Campbell is another that I want. 

What do you think of OK's Marquise Brown in the second? He's got speed but size may be an issue. He opens up the field and makes plays. 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Sounds right but I think these kids are a bit better than Woods was, guess time will tell.

 

We just might go defense first round but I'm really hoping we can get Jonah Williams, his pass blocking is exceptional.

 

 

 

 

It depends to me on where we end up picking. I’d probably go defense in the top 3 to 5. Those players are a tier above IMO. If they pick later than that there are some offensive options (including Williams) that would be good picks. 

 

I think that that some of these guys may be better than Woods too. The point that I was trying to make is that I think there are a bunch of guys that can be 60 catch, 800 yard and 7 TD types. You COULD conceivably end up with 2 guys like that. 

Just now, JohnC said:

What do you think of OK's Marquise Brown in the second? He's got speed but size may be an issue. He opens up the field and makes plays. 

He is so explosive. Brown could possibly break 4.3. He’d add some much needed speed and big play ability to pair with Allen.

 

I think that Allen is never going to be a guy that dinks and dunks down the field. His ball placement isnt like a Brees. What Allen can do is zing the ball down the field. The Bills will score with explosive plays. Brown is the type of guy that can do that. 

[Agent 91]

On 9/28/2018 at 1:42 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Antonio Brown did fine going from the MAc to the nfl.  Receiver is the most dependent position in sports.  If OBJ and Sammy got switched in the draft, their careers are completely different.

I wish I could have bet money on you picking a white receiver! ?

Late to this party but I wish we could have gotten our hands on cooper kupp

[BuffaloHokie13]

The more Hakeem Butler I watch, the more I like.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The more Hakeem Butler I watch, the more I like.

He is a full grown man. He has also been at his best in their biggest games (at least from the little that I know about him). He is 6’6” and 225 lbs. He runs and sub-4.5 40 and is averaging almost 23 yards per catch!! That’s pretty crazy. I wouldn’t hate him at all.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[billspro]

On 11/9/2018 at 7:54 AM, DCOrange said:

By my count, Buffalo has now scouted 14 WR/TEs that have been mentioned as potential 1st/2nd round picks (well, I guess 13 since DK Metcalf was out this past weekend, but I'm sure they did some sniffing around about him while they were in town):

 

WRs:

N'Keal Harry

JJ Arcega-Whiteside

Hollywood Brown

Anthony Johnson

Riley Ridley

AJ Brown

DK Metcalf

Demarkus Lodge

Deebo Samuel

Bryan Edwards

 

TEs:

Noah Fant

Albert Okwuegbunam

Kaden Smith

Irv Smith

 

There is nothing special about N’keal Harry, he reminds me of Treadwell. He has a lot of trouble separating. I hope we go with a different WR.

[Ned Kelly]

DENZEL MIMS

 

Seems to jump out at me as a late pick although appears to to be getting more attention.  Excellent catch radius.

Interested in your thoughts.

 

 

Name: Denzel Mims

SCHOOL: Baylor

CONFERENCE: Big 12

POSITION: Wide Receiver

CLASS: Junior

JERSEY: No. 15

RECRUITMENT RATING: 3-star

HT: 6’3

WT: 208 lbs

D.O.B.: N/A

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PROS: Incredible catch radius. Perfect extension and concentration to passes all-around his frame and does an excellent job of tucking the football into his body immediately. Seamless body control that allows him to adjust, contort, and position his frame to make receptions regardless of ball placement. Length in his frame makes him a consistent winner even with average accuracy from the quarterback position.

Has truly elite burst and long speed as a former decorated track and field athlete. One of the most explosive athletes in college football who also has strength throughout his frame. Does an excellent job a changing the pace of his vertical stems to get defensive backs on their heels before bursting by them. As a route runner, he’s able to get in and out of horizontal breaks efficiently. Despite slight technique issues, his elite feet and athleticism allow him to mostly be an effective route runner, especially for his size. Attacks leverage as a route runner well, and his vertical cuts can generate separation when he gets defensive backs to open their hips. Has gotten defensive backs off-balance with his shiftiness at the line of scrimmage as well as double moves, but can also separate using physicality.

 

credit:

author - Brad Kelly   

thedraftnetwork.com

Edited November 24, 2018 by Ned Kelly

[CIrvine]

Preston Williams-Colorado State.

[Victory Formation]

I'd simply trade down and grab some extra picks. No WR will most likely go in the top 10. We could trade down to 10-12, pickup a 2nd and some picks for 2020 and still get our pick of the top WRs. That way we can also take a couple of premier defenders in the 2nd/3rd while still fixing up our offense at the same time. I'd go down to #10 and just take Marquise Brown there. It's looking more and more like a trade down. Bills are the ideal trading partner for a team looking to come up.

[Ittakestime]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

I'd simply trade down and grab some extra picks. No WR will most likely go in the top 10. We could trade down to 10-12, pickup a 2nd and some picks for 2020 and still get our pick of the top WRs. That way we can also take a couple of premier defenders in the 2nd/3rd while still fixing up our offense at the same time. I'd go down to #10 and just take Marquise Brown there. It's looking more and more like a trade down. Bills are the ideal trading partner for a team looking to come up.

Just like every year, trades really only happen in top 7 with QBs.  Good chance those will be gone before we pick.

 

Marquise Brown is going to fly up draft boards with combine.  He may end up going top 7 anyways (Corey Davis).  Just take him no matter where we pick if he is still on board.

[Victory Formation]

55 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

Just like every year, trades really only happen in top 7 with QBs.  Good chance those will be gone before we pick.

 

Marquise Brown is going to fly up draft boards with combine.  He may end up going top 7 anyways (Corey Davis).  Just take him no matter where we pick if he is still on board.

Gotta play the board though. Many people don't like Marquise Brown because of his size, that alone drops him out of the top 10 I think. Unless he comes into the combine at 180 and still insanely fast and explosive. Could happen. I've been clamoring for Marquise Brown just as long as anyone here has, just trying be smart about position while possibly stockpiling additional picks.