Gugny Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, 87168 said: Lamar Jackson is 4-1 as a starter, with the only loss coming from KC (of all teams) in overtime. it's ok to be wrong. W-L are team stats; not QB stats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 There is simply no conclusion to be drawn at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SWATeam Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There is simply no conclusion to be drawn at this time. You can be sure that if Allen had looked as bad as Rosen so far, people would be drawing conclusions... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 11:58 AM, WRONG JOSH said: Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field All your 'truth" is doing you a lot of good now. You deserve to have your fan card revoked after next year when Allen is looking like the real deal and Rosen is falling down chucking ducks. SHAME 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: The question (to me) is can he succeed with McDermott/Daboll? Coaching has been, and is, my biggest concern with the future of the team. Like Bandit, I'm a Daboll fan. I can't think of a game where I've been questioning the playcalling repeatedly. It generally makes sense. I can't say the same about Dennison at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: All your 'truth" is doing you a lot of good now. You deserve to have your fan card revoked after next year when Allen is looking like the real deal and Rosen is falling down chucking ducks. SHAME "WRONG JOSH" has to be trolling. It's ok to be critical of Josh Allen in terms of getting a little more accurate and taking check downs when there's nothing there, but I literally can't comprehend how a Bills fan can watch Allen, post-injury, and be anything but excited for our future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, SWATeam said: You can be sure that if Allen had looked as bad as Rosen so far, people would be drawing conclusions... The truth is that while everyone knows that they shouldn't draw Quarterback conclusions during rookie seasons, everyone in fact does..... it is just what we do. We are football fans we watch football and comment on what we see. A rookie comes and lights it up we say "wow he is great" a rookie looks bad we say "oh he sucks" Goff, Wentz and to a lesser extent Trubisky (and even in the other direction Dak Prescott) show the folly of such early determinations. But we still all make them.... even when we know we shouldn't. That's life. The idea people would ever sit tight and watch two years of Josh Allen starting all 16 games quietly and then say "okay now I can make a judgment...." it was just never going to happen. He is playing pretty well for a rookie since his injury - on Sunday I thought he played pretty well period, hence people are excited and think he is going to be great. If he was playing poorly you are right people would be saying "bust". The reality is we don't know either way yet and we can't know either way yet.... but it looks positive at this stage and actually the finding out is half of the fun isn't it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, SCBills said: "WRONG JOSH" has to be trolling. It's ok to be critical of Josh Allen in terms of getting a little more accurate and taking check downs when there's nothing there, but I literally can't comprehend how a Bills fan can watch Allen, post-injury, and be anything but excited for our future. But he'g got like 10k posts, thats an ogre not a troll. I can understand being mad the night of but damn near every single point is in favor of Allen. We knew what we were getting at this point but I dont see how Allen isnt better than advertised and Rosen isnt worse (I knew he would be, hes mentally softer than baby sh*t) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 11:58 AM, WRONG JOSH said: Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: But he'g got like 10k posts, thats an ogre not a troll. I can understand being mad the night of but damn near every single point is in favor of Allen. We knew what we were getting at this point but I dont see how Allen isnt better than advertised and Rosen isnt worse (I knew he would be, hes mentally softer than baby sh*t) I liked Rosen too, but then I watched him in pre-season and some some of his reactions to bad plays and, yeah, I don't think he's very mentally tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The truth is that while everyone knows that they shouldn't draw Quarterback conclusions during rookie seasons, everyone in fact does..... it is just what we do. We are football fans we watch football and comment on what we see. A rookie comes and lights it up we say "wow he is great" a rookie looks bad we say "oh he sucks" Goff, Wentz and to a lesser extent Trubisky (and even in the other direction Dak Prescott) show the folly of such early determinations. But we still all make them.... even when we know we shouldn't. That's life. The idea people would ever sit tight and watch two years of Josh Allen starting all 16 games quietly and then say "okay now I can make a judgment...." it was just never going to happen. He is playing pretty well for a rookie since his injury - on Sunday I thought he played pretty well period, hence people are excited and think he is going to be great. If he was playing poorly you are right people would be saying "bust". The reality is we don't know either way yet and we can't know either way yet.... but it looks positive at this stage and actually the finding out is half of the fun isn't it? Very well said, and I commend you for posting this as one of Allen's biggest pre-draft detractors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, eball said: Very well said, and I commend you for posting this as one of Allen's biggest pre-draft detractors. I said the day after the draft I would evaluate him fairly on what he does on the field for Buffalo. I would like to think people recognise I have kept to that. When he has struggled I have said he has struggled. When he has played well I have said he has played well. I think predicting him as the 2019 MVP is over optimism but I totally understand the positivity, he has taken a very obvious step since returning from injury - it is indisputable. At the moment things are trending the right way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I said the day after the draft I would evaluate him fairly on what he does on the field for Buffalo. I would like to think people recognise I have kept to that. When he has struggled I have said he has struggled. When he has played well I have said he has played well. I think predicting him as the 2019 MVP is over optimism but I totally understand the positivity, he has taken a very obvious step since returning from injury - it is indisputable. At the moment things are trending the right way. To eBall's point, you've been very fair and unbiased in your weekly assessments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: You can be sure that if Allen had looked as bad as Rosen so far, people would be drawing conclusions... Allen had ups and Downs as has Rosen, and plenty of people are drawing plenty of conclusions. Much of Allen’s fanfare has come from his mobility btw, which Rosen doesn’t have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You just made a crappy morning better thanks man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Well, lol, who exactly has Allen taken the job from! I see your points, but I'm still not sold on Allen as the future franchise QB. And I guess we need to stop, this is a thread for the other Josh. I doubt there are many that are indeed sold on him. I mean, for my part, I was a huge supporter of the top tier of the 2018 QB class. I felt pre-draft that all 5 guys had a real chance to be franchise QBs, and that all of them should be 1st round (if not top-10) picks. I see absolutely no reason to deviate from that opinion at this point. That said, there's no reason to declare a guy a franchise QB after one season. Look no further than Dak Prescott for an example of why that's not a great idea. Unbelievable rookie season, yet here we are 2 years later, and we still have no idea if he's a franchise guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 8:58 AM, WRONG JOSH said: Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field Take a lap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Gugny said: To eBall's point, you've been very fair and unbiased in your weekly assessments. People just seem to presume I will have a bias towards my opinion pre-draft. Opinions are only worth having if you reserve the right to change them with evidence. People who think something once and therefore think it forevermore are fools. My only bias is towards the Buffalo Bills ? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Take a lap You spelled leap wrong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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