Woodman19 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Good summary of the math. May go over some heads though. Don't let frustration of not living up to the 2-0 expectation get in the way of facts :P. I suspect math doesn't matter to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think its valid to look at the people Beane and McDermott have traded and signed and wonder if they understand what it takes to win in this league. You're out there trying to compete with Pat Mahomes and Tyreke Hill with Josh Allen and Zay Jones. We're out there trying to compete with the Packers, Vikings, Jaguars, Patriots with Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones leading the WR group, with worn out LeSean McCoy and a pop-gun offensive scheme. Does McDermott and/or Beane even want talented players? Or do they think they can watch tape more intently than everyone else in the league and work harder than everyone on the field? Umm...I think the point is....all we can afford because of the Cap situation...is the crap we got.. Git er Done! Edited September 17, 2018 by baskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, vorpma said: Thank you, great post, you have to realize we are dealing with let's just say a different generation of fans in 2018! What kind of fan is that. One that doesnt blindly trust team spin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And never mind that they'd already borne TWO FULL YEARS of teardown and tradearound. two full years? I must have missed when Rex and Whaley started.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, baskin said: Umm...I think the point is....this is all we can afford barbecue of the Cap situation...is the crap we got.. Git er Done! I think that is a complete cop-out answer, based on nothing but love for the team. Its not factually accurate at all. Beane/McDermott chose this path. They did not inherit this kind of dead cap. They created it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, COTC said: You can do it steps or all at the same time. Beane likes the “rip the bandaid off” approach. This is the year to do it. Young QB. Young LB. Both would struggle this year. Let them learn and improve next year. I am 100% behind the decision, and will judge Beane on where the team is after the 2020 season. At that point, he will have made the team better, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think that is a complete cop-out answer, based on nothing but love for the team. Its not factually accurate at all. Beane/McDermott chose this path. They did not inherit this kind of dead cap. They created it. DING DING DING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, baskin said: two full years? I must have missed when Rex and Whaley started.... We're talking about the browns here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think that is a complete cop-out answer, based on nothing but love for the team. Its not factually accurate at all. Beane/McDermott chose this path. They did not inherit this kind of dead cap. They created it. Possibly you could reread the original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I'd keep Woods, Goodwin, and drop Clay if that's what it actually came down to. Clay is crazy overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, baskin said: Possibly you could reread the original post Nah dont need to. Because you dont have to Purge to get under caps. Teams spend to cap every year. And still manage to sign UFAs and Draft classss without purging. Just the nice built in excuse for this regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, djp14150 said: where are these educated fans.....you mean the same one who say fire Beane...this teams sucks ...etc. To design the proper team model you have to look at salary structure... offense players paid highest....QB, WR, LOT on Defnese DE, OLB, CB the next 3 seasons after this one is a window of opportunity for Buffalo to try and do a short term compete by getting some goofd players before Allen is a due a new contract. assuming he is a successfule there is about $15M to spend over 3 years before he get s ahigher slary which means Buffalo can go out and get two very good players to compete. This is similar to Seattle where they competed with Wilson on an entry contract then they lost some players when he got a new contract. This rebuilding is also why I didn't like what Beane didin the draft. I would have traded the two first up to TB for their 1st then gotten something like a 4th pick along with it then kept the 2 2nds and top 3rd pick they had and used them for depth players, thise 2 are better tna the 1 they got I want everyone to read this post and understand that this is who I'm referring to when I say the "Git Er Done" fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Nah dont need to. Because you dont have to Purge to get under caps. Teams spend to cap every year. And still manage to sign UFAs and Draft classss without purging. Just the nice built in excuse for this regime Strange...I don't see anyone from OBD using anything as an excuse....can you point to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: That's nice. Wishing for people to fail. You seem like a swell fella. I mean Beane could go back to assistant GM for all I care. Crocodile tears.. he'd have it soo bad if he *keeps failing. McD can stay. I want to see what he can do Beaneless Edited September 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, baskin said: Strange...I don't see anyone from OBD using anything as an excuse....can you point to them? Sure go read the Joe B spin piece. And it is also a nice little excuse for the Blind Followers. Nevermind that three of the top 5 dead cap hits this year are self inflicted McD and Beane signings and or re-signings. But that doesnt fit some inheretted narrative either Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: There are educated fans and uneducated fans. The educated fans understand the financial side of things and the reasonable expectation that you don't build a super bowl winner over night. The uneducated fans want to GIT ER DONE OBD every single season, which leads to a 7-9 record for two decades. Thank god this franchise is finally aligned with educated fans. We all knew this season would be bad. It's only surprising to the Git Er Done crew. Riiiiiight. Why don't you just say the educated fans are the ones who agree with your viewpoint, and the uneducated fans are the ones who don't? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, COTC said: If Beane survives this, the next two years are bright. If they're not be won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, baskin said: Strange...I don't see anyone from OBD using anything as an excuse....can you point to them? Yeah everybody saying he's done nothing wrong to this point because Whaley was so bad he made him overpay for Star when he wasn't even employed there. That's the excuse. Doesn't mean Beane still hasn't made a lot of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Nah dont need to. Because you dont have to Purge to get under caps. Teams spend to cap every year. And still manage to sign UFAs and Draft classss without purging. Just the nice built in excuse for this regime Excuse for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Excuse for what? Did you read the OP it was a classic blame Whaley for the state of the team post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sure go read the Joe B spin piece. And it is also a nice little excuse for the Blind Followers. Nevermind that three of the top 5 dead cap hits this year are self inflicted McD and Beane signings and or re-signings. But that doesnt fit some inheretted narrative either Yes Whaley was so bad. His cap hell forced Beane to get all the crappy free agents Beane overpaid for over the off-season. /s That is the oft repeated excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Did you read the OP it was a classic blame Whaley for the state of the team post It was numbers and math. No blame, just the actual situation. I made no opinion statements only facts. What blaming did you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Did you read the OP it was a classic blame Whaley for the state of the team post OK got it.... Not really on the blame whaley train.....just think the team had maxed how good it could be and needed to go a different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, baskin said: Strange...I don't see anyone from OBD using anything as an excuse....can you point to them? "Its only out second year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Yes Whaley was so bad. His cap hell forced Beane to get all the crappy free agents Beane overpaid for over the off-season. /s That is the oft repeated excuse. Yep. And cant wait to see their talent evaluation on display with 90M. Ooo god help us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What kind of fan is that. One that doesnt blindly trust team spin? Maybe he means one that is continuously in the midst of one tantrum or another - like a petulant two year old.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Batman1876 said: It was numbers and math. No blame, just the actual situation. I made no opinion statements only facts. What blaming did you see? The entire subject line. Good try with your veiled blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yep. And cant wait to see their talent evaluation on display with 90M. Ooo god help us It's Whaley's fault every time we go 4-12 for at least the next 10 years lmao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Maybe he means one that is continuously in the midst of one tantrum or another - like a petulant two year old.... Ahhhh. The typical insult on someone not blindly following a regime that has made very questionable decisions and have no resume of building a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'd keep Woods, Goodwin, and drop Clay if that's what it actually came down to. Clay is crazy overpaid. McCoy is too. He's one of my favorite players on the team, but $9M for a 30 year old RB on a team that is taking a step back makes me question not the team's plan, but it's execution of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: It's Whaley's fault every time we go 4-12 for at least the next 10 years lmao Whaley’s fault the defense McD and Beane built get smoked like 5 year old little girls (until the opponent takes their foot off the gas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhhh. The typical insult on someone not blindly following a regime that has made very questionable decisions and have no resume of building a team. Not an insult, just an objective observation. Your posts often have the tone of someone who is about to become emotionally unhinged at any moment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: The entire subject line. Good try with your veiled blame The subject line was “the cap situation McBeane inherited” then with numbers and math I laid out what that situation was. So where is the blame and excuse? It’s reality. That was the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think that is a complete cop-out answer, based on nothing but love for the team. Its not factually accurate at all. Beane/McDermott chose this path. They did not inherit this kind of dead cap. They created it. Yes they did. Yes they had reasons. Which you don't like. And if they had done the opposite you'd complain they are paying guys too much money for player x. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What kind of fan is that. One that doesnt blindly trust team spin? Your statement is hilarious and not really thought out, I kind of understand the emotion, however, most of us have been challenging this organization since 2001! So try get your posts based in reality, take a couple of deep breaths, and get a grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Not an insult, just an objective observation. Your posts often have the tone of someone who is about to become emotionally unhinged at any moment... My posts in fluff threads about the regime are critical. Go reas my Allen Posts. And thanks for my mental Concern, VA says I am good to go. But continue with your zero football insight feeble, simple minded insult posts they are comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I don't buy this whole dead cap space it was all we could do stuff. I see other teams spend like drunken sailors every off season yet Don t get into "cap hell" having to piss away 2 or 3 seasons. I'm thinking Broncos with HUGE contracts for Von and Thomas yet can still sign Case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Not an insult, just an objective observation. Your posts often have the tone of someone who is about to become emotionally unhinged at any moment... Lots of that going around! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: The subject line was “the cap situation McBeane inherited” then with numbers and math I laid out what that situation was. So where is the blame and excuse? It’s reality. That was the situation. The first with the last sentence make the entire post an excuse for this regime, blaming Whaley for the current roster situation. Man up and own it 2 minutes ago, vorpma said: Your statement is hilarious and not really thought out, I kind of understand the emotion, however, most of us have been challenging this organization since 2001! So try get your posts based in reality, take a couple of deep breaths, and get a grip! Again dead cap is an excuse made up by those CoTP guys to well not hold this regime accountable for their Roster That they Built this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes they did. Yes they had reasons. Which you don't like. And if they had done the opposite you'd complain they are paying guys too much money for player x. If they had done something that didn't put out garbage on the field we wouldn't be complaining. It's not hard to grasp. We are by far the worst team in the league right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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