The cap situation McBeane inhereted

[Batman1876]

Background- Whaley spent to the cap in the 2013 season, 2014 season, 2015 season and 2016 season.  He never rolled over more than 2 mil in any single year. In order to sustain this spending contracts had to be back loaded and contracts needed to be reworked.  These things are common in teams making a championship push, we never made that push but we did pay for the attempt.

 

2017- Heading into the off season we had 24 million in cap space. Our major free agents were Woods, Goodwin, Gilmore, Zack Brown and Lorenzo Alexander. In order to have resigned them they would have needed to rely on cheep contracts now that become expensive later, as well as renegotiating other contracts. Looking ahead these choices would eventually lead to not being able to retain talent, just like retaining Woods, Gilmore and Goodwin was going to be tough in 2017. 

 

Looking ahead to 2018- Talent was going to be lost on the way to 2018, no way around it.  There wouldn't be cap room to replace that talent either meaning the reliance was going to be solely on the draft to fill those gaps. If you look at how our cap would have projected you can see the crunch we were in.  These figures are based on the actual 2018 cap hits of these players or the cost to have kept their contracts in the case of traded players. Some of these players may have had larger cap hits for us as a consequence of squeezing them under our 2017 cap.

 

The players we did not resign

Gilmore- 12.5

Woods-5.5

Goodwin-6.2

Total 24.2

 

The players we traded

Watkins- 13.2 (cost of 5th year option)

Darius- 16

Glenn-15

Tyrod-16

Total-60.2

 

The retirement

Wood- 9

 

Players we kept

Mccoy-9

Clay-9

Hughes-10.4

K Williams- 5.5

Total 33.9

 

The total for that core group of players that our 2016 roster was built around would have been 127.3 million in 2018

 

Leaving 50 Million to sign 2017 rookies, 2018 rookies and fill a total of 41 other roster spots an impossible task.

 

 

[US Egg]

.....this team is a mess, dead cap space or not. 

[COTC]

Irresponsible decisions by the leader of our team is consequential. 

 

The reprecussions ripple through the team like a rock thrown into a calm lake. 

[KD in CA]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

.....this team is a mess, dead cap space or not. 

 

And they'd be an even bigger mess that would take even longer to clean up if someone hadn't had the balls to recognize the situation and undertaken the project to fix it.

 

But it's much more fun to throw temper tantrums.

[Batman1876]

2 minutes ago, COTC said:

Irresponsible decisions by the leader of our team is consequential. 

 

The reprecussions ripple through the team like a rock thrown into a calm lake. 

I agree, you can see how Whaely's choices while building Rex's bully led to a significant problem in summer 2017. 

[Rigotz]

There are educated fans and uneducated fans.

 

The educated fans understand the financial side of things and the reasonable expectation that you don't build a super bowl winner over night.

 

The uneducated fans want to GIT ER DONE OBD every single season, which leads to a 7-9 record for two decades.

 

Thank god this franchise is finally aligned with educated fans. We all knew this season would be bad. It's only surprising to the Git Er Done crew.

[US Egg]

Just now, KD in CA said:

 

And they'd be an even bigger mess that would take even longer to clean up if someone hadn't had the balls to recognize the situation and undertaken the project to fix it.

 

But it's much more fun to throw temper tantrums.

 

.....if this season continues as it presently is, no quality FA will want to come here and those who do will have to be overpaid.   

 

A catch-22 dog chasing it's tail conundrum that has been going on here for quite some time.

Edited September 17, 2018 by I am the egg man

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

 

.....if this season continues as it presently is, no FA will want to come here.   

 

the freaking Browns had no problem getting FA's to go there.  We will have no issue getting FA's to come here.  

[COTC]

4 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

I agree, you can see how Whaely's choices while building Rex's bully led to a significant problem in summer 2017. 

You can do it steps or all at the same time. 

 

Beane likes the “rip the bandaid off” approach. 

[SoCal Deek]

Nobody would debate that the current regime wasn’t dealt a good hand.  But...when you’re in a hole STOP DIGGING!!  It doesn’t look to me that they’ve done much better with regard to the veteran contracts that they’ve brought in. They’d have better off going with a 53man all rookie roster.

[Batman1876]

Just now, COTC said:

You can do it steps or all at the same time. 

 

Beane likes the “rip the bandaid off” approach. 

When you do it in steps you get less financial capital in the long run and less draft capital. 

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Nobody would debate that the current regime wasn’t dealt a good hand.  But...when you’re in a hole STOP DIGGING!!  It doesn’t look to me that they’ve done much better with regard to the veteran contracts that they’ve brought in. They’d have better off going with a 53man all rookie roster.

They've brought in low cost veterans to squeeze under that cap. In 2019 the squeezing is done, they could spend big and still have a huge cap number to roll over for the next year. they have exactly one contract (besides rookie contracts) that carries more cap hit than savings. 

[djp14150]

9 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

There are educated fans and uneducated fans.

 

The educated fans understand the financial side of things and the reasonable expectation that you don't build a super bowl winner over night.

 

The uneducated fans want to GIT ER DONE OBD every single season, which leads to a 7-9 record for two decades.

 

Thank god this franchise is finally aligned with educated fans. We all knew this season would be bad. It's only surprising to the Git Er Done crew.

 

 

where are these educated fans.....you mean the same one who say fire Beane...this teams sucks ...etc.

 

 

 

 

To design the proper team model you have to look at salary structure...

 

 

offense players paid highest....QB, WR, LOT

on Defnese DE, OLB, CB

 

the next 3 seasons after this one is a window of opportunity for Buffalo to try and do a short term compete by getting some goofd players before Allen is a due a new contract. assuming he is a successfule there is about $15M to spend over 3 years before he get s ahigher slary which means Buffalo can go out and get two very good players to compete.

 

This is similar to Seattle where they competed with Wilson on an entry contract then they lost some players when he got a new contract.

 

 

 

This rebuilding is also why I didn't like what Beane didin the draft.

 

I would have traded the two first up to TB for their 1st then gotten something like a 4th pick along with it then kept the 2 2nds and top 3rd pick they had and used them for depth players,  thise 2 are better tna the 1 they got

 

 

[COTC]

11 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

When you do it in steps you get less financial capital in the long run and less draft capital. 

They've brought in low cost veterans to squeeze under that cap. In 2019 the squeezing is done, they could spend big and still have a huge cap number to roll over for the next year. they have exactly one contract (besides rookie contracts) that carries more cap hit than savings. 

Yeah. Short term affects are very painful, especially since we made the playoffs last year. 

 

If Beane survives this, the next two years are bright. 

[Fadingpain]

23 minutes ago, COTC said:

Irresponsible decisions by the leader of our team is consequential. 

 

The reprecussions ripple through the team like a rock thrown into a calm lake. 

The fun part is that many of the know it alls who dominate this forum with their wisdom were fairly strong supporters of Whaley during his time as GM here, often citing, for example, his shrewd ability to find replacement talent around the league and patch holes.

 

Now that he is gone and his mistakes are being magnified, the same people dismiss Whaley as a part of the Bills misguided past.

 

 

[ProcessAccepted]

18 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

There are educated fans and uneducated fans.

 

The educated fans understand the financial side of things and the reasonable expectation that you don't build a super bowl winner over night.

 

The uneducated fans want to GIT ER DONE OBD every single season, which leads to a 7-9 record for two decades.

 

Thank god this franchise is finally aligned with educated fans. We all knew this season would be bad. It's only surprising to the Git Er Done crew.

 

Well said. The only thing you've missed about the uneducated fans are the constant calls for firing people.

 

They are doing the right thing and sucking it up and fixing things cap wise this year. It's going to be a long year especially with all the uneducated posters and threads about firing everyone.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Add in the fact that we might have drafted a franchise QB while fixing the cap disaster and you can see light at the end of the tunnel. 

[Punching Bag]

20 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

When you do it in steps you get less financial capital in the long run and less draft capital. 

They've brought in low cost veterans to squeeze under that cap. In 2019 the squeezing is done, they could spend big and still have a huge cap number to roll over for the next year. they have exactly one contract (besides rookie contracts) that carries more cap hit than savings. 

 

Star Lotulelei was not a low cost veteran.  The trade for Coleman was bad decision both for cap and trying to figure out WR depth chart.  They have made some serious missteps but hopefully they made more good than bad.

[US Egg]

14 minutes ago, COTC said:

You can do it steps or all at the same time. 

 

Beane likes the “rip the bandaid off” approach. 

 

If Beane and McD last two more years here, bet Beanes hairline is as far back as McD. 

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Well said. The only thing you've missed about the uneducated fans are the constant calls for firing people.

 

They are doing the right thing and sucking it up and fixing things cap wise this year. It's going to be a long year especially with all the uneducated posters and threads about firing everyone.

 

Personally I hope some of them are fired and need to spend more time on job hunts.

[Ittakestime]

Whaley was fine with the cap.  He operated like winning teams do where they play it year by year and restructure when necessary.

 

Beane created this mess and that's just the facts.

 

Dareus to Star did not need to happen.  Wood's extension did not need to happen.  Tyrod to McCarron did not need to happen.  Coleman did not need to happen.  Glenn did not need to happen.  Ragland did not need to happen.