Bill_with_it Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Quick question that will provide many answers. Are the same folks that hated the diaries trade the same folks questioning why Mack would be bad for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Not think so. The Raiders do not have the money to pay out rest of that contract. That’s true, but I think we’re about to witness an epic, Browns-like dumpster fire in Oakland. It could get very ugly. 1 hour ago, The Red King said: That was mentioned earlier in the thread. Gruden loves Peterman. This might all be waiting on Sunday's game. If Allen plays well and secures the starting role, the very trade you suggest might go through. Please...I wish that were true, but no matter what Peterman does in these preseason games, he will have close to zero trade value until he lights it up in some real games. He might well get cut or stashed on the PS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I would not support any trade for Mack that involves Peterman. If Gruden needs a qb as part of the deal, he can have McCarron (don't want to lose McCarron, either, but if it means getting Mack, then yes). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just now, ChasBB said: I would not support any trade for Mack that involves Peterman. If Gruden needs a qb as part of the deal, he can have McCarron (don't want to lose McCarron, either, but if it means getting Mack, then yes). You'd let a limited backup QB prevent the Bills from getting a dominant pass rushing DE ? I'm not sure how this makes any sense at all. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I’d be extremely happy if it was Peterman, Shaq Lawson 2 2s, a 3 for Mack and a 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 18 hours ago, QCity said: That's really not the situation at all. He's not 23 yrs old and we're not getting 5 years of control over him on a rookie deal. The question is how much do you give up for a DPOY that, when he's 28 yrs old next year, is going to want a $125M+ contract with $80M+ guaranteed. That certainly muddies the water a bit. how do you know what he wants in a contract? If that is what he is asking, he's going to be disappointed. No one will pay that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 He can be a strong side linebacker and a defensive end on passing Downs he is an all pro at 2 positions and an absolute force. People act like he is old at 27 lol he will be a stud till he is 35 lol the most dominate college player I have ever witnessed with my own eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He can be a strong side linebacker and a defensive end on passing Downs he is an all pro at 2 positions and an absolute force. People act like he is old at 27 lol he will be a stud till he is 35 lol the most dominate college player I have ever witnessed with my own eyes Do you know of any with the contract that Mack will require? I like Mack, and he is versatile, but his value lies in getting after the QB. I would think he would be a DE for us, with the versatility to occasionally drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, QCity said: That's really not the situation at all. He's not 23 yrs old and we're not getting 5 years of control over him on a rookie deal. The question is how much do you give up for a DPOY that, when he's 28 yrs old next year, is going to want a $125M+ contract with $80M+ guaranteed. That certainly muddies the water a bit. ....here's my dopey Cliff Notes version assessment....BOTH Mack and Donald are shopping for "NORTH of Von Miller+ money"....if their clubs do it or if their clubs have to find willing trade partners to pull it off doesn't make a rat's azz bit of difference to them...HOWEVER, with it being doubtful so far that it could be their current clubs, it's much easier said than done.....major draft capital and major dollars are in the mix IMO....buyers??...stay tuned.......... Edited August 25, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, SWATeam said: Do you know of any with the contract that Mack will require? I like Mack, and he is versatile, but his value lies in getting after the QB. I would think he would be a DE for us, with the versatility to occasionally drop. being a strong side linebacker on 1st down would only help our defense he can still get tons of sacks on 2nd and third down Edited August 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) I still can’t decide if it’s a good idea or not for the bills...I’m still trying to figure out how they are going to getting a starting OG, C, and WR next year Edited August 25, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, vincec said: Lorenzo Alexander is basically a 1 down LB that plays on rushing downs. He is a liability in pass coverage, as Mack would be if he played off the ball. That's fine for Lorax because of his age and heavy involvement with special teams but using Mack like that would be a complete waste of his ability. He needs to be a 3-4 OLB or RDE in a 4-3 so that he can stay on the field. He is basically an improved Jerry Hughes. Him moving to 43 olb would be after his skills diminish which is what I was replying to in your original post. He can do it but I'm not saying he should, pass rushers are much more valuable than coverage LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack are vying to be the #1 defender in the league and want paid as such. Right now its Von Miller. I think $114M... So yes both want to be the highest paid. What if Mack sign x amount say, 5 year $120M, $65M guarantee and then Donald signs a 5 year $130M $80 guarantee... then 1 will feel slighted. Thing is, to be honest I don’t think the Rams nor the Raiders want to commit to that kind of contract. Not after the Raiders just signed Carr and Rams will be looking to extend Goff next soon. I truly think Donald and Mack know they aren’t gonna get what they want, both will more than likely be on new teams next year. That being said... they should be serious about trading. Even then I don’t see teams giving away a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack are vying to be the #1 defender in the league and want paid as such. Right now its Von Miller. I think $114M... So yes both want to be the highest paid. What if Mack sign x amount say, 5 year $120M, $65M guarantee and then Donald signs a 5 year $130M $80 guarantee... then 1 will feel slighted. Thing is, to be honest I don’t think the Rams nor the Raiders want to commit to that kind of contract. Not after the Raiders just signed Carr and Rams will be looking to extend Goff next soon. I truly think Donald and Mack know they aren’t gonna get what they want, both will more than likely be on new teams next year. That being said... they should be serious about trading. Even then I don’t see teams giving away a bunch. ...Miller set the bar....cross it if you dare.....pretty much what it boils down to IMO.............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Miller set the bar....cross it if you dare.....pretty much what it boils down to IMO.............. True. I don’t see a DT getting there. Yeah Donald is a beast but he’s not Von Miller as far as getting to the QB, and Mack is the closest but he’s getting older and I truly don’t see the Raiders forking up nearly $50M per year on 2 players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: That's one take. Another is that when Chuck Knox built a playoff team by their third year he did it by building through the draft but he also brought in some older vets as "rah rah" guys like ex-Rams LBer Isiah Robertson, ex-Steelers WR Frank Lewis to bring in leadership to that young team. I realize the team already has Kyle Williams, although this might be his last season. In my view, there is no timetable for a talent like Mack as he will instantly change the dynamic of the defense with his pass rush. The Bills already have a top secondary but it won't be as effective if there is little or no pass rush. With Mack, opponents will game plan around stopping him and from what I've seen that won't be happening. Don't forget about ex-Raiders LB Phil Villapiano. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You'd let a limited backup QB prevent the Bills from getting a dominant pass rushing DE ? I'm not sure how this makes any sense at all. Check out his avatar. That should tell you all you need to know... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Check out his avatar. That should tell you all you need to know... And just like that @26CornerBlitz, he changed his avatar from Peterman to Allen. ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: And just like that @26CornerBlitz, he changed his avatar from Peterman to Allen. ??? The previous was also Allen. Nervous Nate? Never! Edited August 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The previous one was also Allen. Nervous Nate? Never! Didn't mean you changed from Peterman to Allen. He did. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just now, ExWNYer said: Didn't mean you changed from Peterman to Allen. He did. ? Nope. He still has Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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