Who helped/hurt themselves against the Panthers?

[Sky Diver]

I thought that all the QBs played well, and Teller, Ray-Ray, and Wallace helped themselves. Foster showed an ability to get behind the defense and made a good catch on the ball that drifted out of bounds, but he needs some work. Looks like a PS candidate.

[Chandler#81]

Helped: Peterman, Murphy, Croom, Lee, Teller

Hurt: O’Leary, FOSTER, Proehl, 

[MAJBobby]

Helped - Peterman, Teller, McCloud, Croom, Lee and Murphy

 

Hurt - All third team OL, Foster, Proehl, Pitts

 

 

the Bama Bias is funny and evident to anyone that thinks Foster helped himself 

Edited August 13, 2018 by MAJBobby

[BmarvB]

Murphy and all 3 QB's helped themselves.  Depth players didn't do themselves any favors. Foster could have done more to help himself. He's looking at PS right now.

[TPS]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

I thought that all the QBs played well, and Teller, Ray-Ray, and Wallace helped themselves. Foster showed an ability to get behind the defense and made a good catch on the ball that drifted out of bounds, but he needs some work. Looks like a PS candidate.

If you're interested, There are two separate threads on this topic which can be found on Page 2 of listed topics...

[Soda Popinski]

Teller was definitely doing well, minus the penalty.   McCloud definitely helped himself.   Foster stopping on that deep route would have been a TD if he had kept running, that definitely hurt him.   

 

I think Allen helped himself too.  

 

Daboll, i liked what I saw from him calling plays.   

[Sky Diver]

54 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Helped - Peterman, Teller, McCloud, Croom, Lee and Murphy

 

Hurt - All third team OL, Foster, Proehl, Pitts

 

 

the Bama Bias is funny and evident to anyone that thinks Foster helped himself 

 

Foster had the most snaps of all the WR's. I never said he helped himself. I said that he got behind the defense and had the opportunity to make big plays and that he was likely a PS candidate. If he gets the timing down with Allen, he could be deadly.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Foster had the most snaps of all the WR's. I never said he helped himself. I said that he got behind the defense and had the opportunity to make big plays and that he was likely a PS candidate. If he gets the timing down with Allen, he could be deadly.

 

Has to work. He gives up on plays and gets lazy when deep in progressions and thay was on display. 

 

I think he even needs to salvage his camp to even get a PS invite at this point. 

[CommonCents]

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Foster had the most snaps of all the WR's. I never said he helped himself. I said that he got behind the defense and had the opportunity to make big plays and that he was likely a PS candidate. If he gets the timing down with Allen, he could be deadly.

Timing is different than not knowing what the hell you’re doing out there. He looked like he was trying to catch a ghost.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Commonsense

[Sky Diver]

12 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Timing is different than not knowing what the hell you’re doing out there. He looked like he was trying to catch a ghost.

 

I guess you missed when he scorched the CB and caught a 60 yrd bomb. Or when he scorched another CB on a bomb and the ball was barely overthrown.

 

Not sure where the "ghost" comment comes from.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/every-josh-allen-pass-preseason-week-1

Edited August 13, 2018 by Sky Diver

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I guess you missed when he scorched the CB and caught a 60 yrd bomb.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/every-josh-allen-pass-preseason-week-1

 

One play doesnt make a game. What about his walking in the two minute drill. Or his slowing down on yet another deep throw (or not laying out or making any effort. 

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I guess you missed when he scorched the CB and caught a 60 yrd bomb.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/every-josh-allen-pass-preseason-week-1

He is fast. He caught a ball out of bounds. He got ample opportunities because between him and Coleman they are desperately trying to find a deep threat. 

 

He made multiple mistakes and displayed a lack of effort. He needs a much better performance on Friday or he is toast. 

 

Running past a third string DB who is playing off coverage doesn’t tell us anything. Can he get off the LOS, can he track the ball, can he catch, is he scared of laying out for the ball? Needs to show a lot.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

the Bama Bias is funny and evident to anyone that thinks Foster helped himself 

 

This, he was a dumpster fire

 

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

He is fast. He caught a ball out of bounds. He got ample opportunities because between him and Coleman they are desperately trying to find a deep threat. 

 

He made multiple mistakes and displayed a lack of effort. He needs a much better performance on Friday or he is toast. 

 

Running past a third string DB who is playing off coverage doesn’t tell us anything. Can he get off the LOS, can he track the ball, can he catch, is he scared of laying out for the ball? Needs to show a lot.

 

He caught the ball out of bounds because it was thrown out of bounds.

 

On the two bombs he had the corners beat by several yards. One he caught, one was just outside his reach.

 

Lack of effort? Your "analysis" is laughable.

 

I guess rather than outrunning the CB by 3 or 4 yards, you were expecting 10?

[teef]

sky...were you at the camp this past sunday?  i saw a guy with a pretty hardcore bama/mccarron jersey on, and it was easiest to assume it was you.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He caught the ball out of bounds because it was thrown out of bounds.

 

On the two bombs he had the corners beat by several yards. One he caught, one was just outside his reach.

 

Lack of effort? Your "analysis" is laughable.

 

I guess rather than outrunning the CB by 3 or 4 yards, you were expecting 10?

 

Go watch him walk on the two minute drill. 

 

Also for the record first Bomb his hands were on the ball with 1 foot in bounds and drifted. But i know the bama bias wont let you see that. 

[Sky Diver]

Just now, teef said:

sky...were you at the camp this past sunday?  i saw a guy with a pretty hardcore bama/mccarron jersey on, and it was easiest to assume it was you.

 

Nope, it wasn't me.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

K Benj looked absolutely fantastic out there. I dunno if he was just fired up for the cats or if he’s just recovered and in a system that uses him better.

 

I will also say Peterman gets the ball out fast, but I’m thinking that won’t work as well when coverages start getting mixed up. Im not sure if he’s reading or just deciding where he throwing before the snap. That pick was poor ball placement to ivory, even though it should have been caught. 

 

thing I loved most about Allen, he climbs the pocket like No one I’ve seen in a bills jersey in a very long long long time. 

 

Lawson even looked decent, But he’s not going to be that dominant end we need to see. 

 

Lee with a ridiculous catch on a ridiculous throw. 

 

Love the screens bubbles and swings 

 

Needs work: 

Rook MLB needs some work on the run game. 

 

Goal-line run d was not good

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wppete]

Helped:  All the QBs, Marcus Murphy, JAson Croom, Khari Lee, Fede

 

Hurt: Foster, Nick O'Leary, Vontae Davis

[MAJBobby]

I also think Shaq helped himself. 

 

Also think Ford Hurt himself 

[Sky Diver]

13 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

He is fast. He caught a ball out of bounds. He got ample opportunities because between him and Coleman they are desperately trying to find a deep threat. 

 

He made multiple mistakes and displayed a lack of effort. He needs a much better performance on Friday or he is toast. 

 

Running past a third string DB who is playing off coverage doesn’t tell us anything. Can he get off the LOS, can he track the ball, can he catch, is he scared of laying out for the ball? Needs to show a lot.

 

So you expected him to catch the first pass in bounds? Seriously?

 

He caught a 60 yards bomb and he can't track the ball? Wow.

 

I get the anti-Alabama bias, but let's don't get crazy.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

So you expected him to catch the first pass in bounds? Seriously?

 

He caught a 60 yards bomb and he can't track the ball? Wow.

 

I get the anti-Alabama bias, but let's don't get crazy.

Really? Who said he could have caught it in bounds? Not me.

 

When the ball was actually in play he failed, multiple times. On a clearly errant pass he ran under it, that doesn’t give me any confidence he can do it when it matters. 

 

Running past a scrub corner playing off coverage means nothing, I don’t care if it’s 20 yards. That won’t happen when it matters. 

 

Right from his scouting report “football instincts are lacking” “falters in his track on deep throws” Until he shakes that rep it’s Coleman’s job to lose.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Another thread turning into an Alabama pissing match....

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

Really? Who said he could have caught it in bounds? Not me.

 

When the ball was actually in play he failed, multiple times. On a clearly errant pass he ran under it, that doesn’t give me any confidence he can do it when it matters. 

 

Running past a scrub corner playing off coverage means nothing, I don’t care if it’s 20 yards. That won’t happen when it matters. 

 

Right from his scouting report “football instincts are lacking” “falters in his track on deep throws” Until he shakes that rep it’s Coleman’s job to lose.

 

 

This was clearly just a thread under a guise so a

Bama fan could talk up a future Bama Cut player 

[Sky Diver]

37 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

He is fast. He caught a ball out of bounds. He got ample opportunities because between him and Coleman they are desperately trying to find a deep threat. 

 

He made multiple mistakes and displayed a lack of effort. He needs a much better performance on Friday or he is toast. 

 

Running past a third string DB who is playing off coverage doesn’t tell us anything. Can he get off the LOS, can he track the ball, can he catch, is he scared of laying out for the ball? Needs to show a lot.

 

The guy Foster smoked on the first bomb is a 4 yr vet.

 

https://www.panthers.com/team/players-roster/ladarius-gunter/career

 

The second guy Foster smoked was Kevin Seymour, a 3rd yr vet. He ran a 4.39 40 at the combine.

 

https://www.panthers.com/team/players-roster/kevon-seymour/

Edited August 13, 2018 by Sky Diver

[MAJBobby]

Ooo another Hurt themselves player was the both McCrays. There were lost out there 

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The guy Foster smoked on the first bomb is a 4 yr vet.

 

https://www.panthers.com/team/players-roster/ladarius-gunter/career

Stats last year Os across the board. Foster ran past a CB that runs a 4.7 40 yard dash, I’m done. You not only bleed crimson, you walk around with a little Saban in your pants. 

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Stats last year Os across the board. Foster ran past a CB that runs a 4.7 40 yard dash, I’m done. You not only bleed crimson, you walk around with a little Saban in your pants. 

 

He played 16 games for Green bay in 2016.

 

Your Alabama hate is clouding your judgement.

13 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Really? Who said he could have caught it in bounds? Not me.

 

When the ball was actually in play he failed, multiple times. On a clearly errant pass he ran under it, that doesn’t give me any confidence he can do it when it matters. 

 

Running past a scrub corner playing off coverage means nothing, I don’t care if it’s 20 yards. That won’t happen when it matters. 

 

Right from his scouting report “football instincts are lacking” “falters in his track on deep throws” Until he shakes that rep it’s Coleman’s job to lose.

 

 

Corners were two NFL vets. He tracked both bombs perfectly. He caught one and one was just outside his grasp.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He played 16 games for Green bay in 2016.

 

Your Alabama hate is clouding your judgement.

 

I dont have Bama Hate. So What would be clouding mine again?? 

 

Numerous times gave up on routes, has been sliding down and down all camp. 

 

Since he put pads on he essentially has a hard time getting off the line. Has hands problems. Has been passed by other WRs clearly with them getting higher reps. 

 

He doesnt make the PS at this point if they had to make the cuts right now. He has alot of work to do before he even gets to PS. 

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I dont have Bama Hate. So What would be clouding mine again?? 

 

Numerous times gave up on routes, has been sliding down and down all camp. 

 

Since he put pads on he essentially has a hard time getting off the line. Has hands problems. Has been passed by other WRs clearly with them getting higher reps. 

 

He doesnt make the PS at this point if they had to make the cuts right now. He has alot of work to do before he even gets to PS. 

 

He had the most snaps of all the WR's. Do your homework.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He had the most snaps of all the WR's. Do your homework.

 

That Means NOTHING. 

 

he is the second to last rated WR on the Bills by my evaluation. So hence he has work to do to even make the PS. 

 

If anything they were giving him reps because he NEEDS more. 

Edited August 13, 2018 by MAJBobby

[billsfan89]

Peterman had a good game but I think people going nuts over it are silly. For one its the first pre-season game, although not as meaningless as the 4th it is one that carries less weight. I also caution that Peterman looked like a world beater in last years pre-season and we all know he wasn't ready. There are just some players that shine much better in pre-season than they do in the real games. I think that Peterman is one of those types of players. 

[Sky Diver]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That Means NOTHING. 

 

he is the second to last rated WR on the Bills by my evaluation. So hence he has work to do to even make the PS. 

 

If anything they were giving him reps because he NEEDS more. 

 

34 snaps.

 

Slightly different circumstances and he has two TDs.

 

I guess you think we don’t think we need a guy that can stretch the field?

Edited August 13, 2018 by Sky Diver

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

34 snaps.

 

Slightly different circumstances and he has two TDs.

 

I guess you think we don’t think we need a guy that can stretch the field?

 

Got one. Traded for him. 

 

So again his snap count means NOTHING except they wanted to get him Third Team Reps. He is the second to last rated WR on this team so yes needs to get better to even get a PS shot. 

 

And giving up on plays wont help him 

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, BmarvB said:

Murphy and all 3 QB's helped themselves.  Depth players didn't do themselves any favors. Foster could have done more to help himself. He's looking at PS right now.

 

I don't get Foster.  If he at least dives after some of those balls he is almost in "helps" himself.  Lack of effort will get you cut, straight out.   Interested to see how he does Friday.  i'm expecting big things.  If not, he's gone.  

 

Also, someone put Vonte Davis on the hurt list.   He was bad, and then bad again in practice getting lit up by Zay.  

[Royale with Cheese]

Tre White was just on WGR and was asked who has really caught his eye so far in camp.

His answer was Robert Foster.

[LABILLBACKER]

Murphy clearly stood out Beyond anyone else on the team. Both quarterbacks played well and even Allen looked impressive.

[RyanTalbotBills]

Here is an article I wrote following the game on players who helped or hurt their causes. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/08/14ce9007005321/14-buffalo-bills-who-helped-or.html#incart_river_mobile_index After rewatching the game, I would have added Wyatt Teller despite his one penalty and UDFA Ike Boettger. 

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I don't get Foster.  If he at least dives after some of those balls he is almost in "helps" himself.  Lack of effort will get you cut, straight out.   Interested to see how he does Friday.  i'm expecting big things.  If not, he's gone.  

 

Also, someone put Vonte Davis on the hurt list.   He was bad, and then bad again in practice getting lit up by Zay.  

 

He caught one bomb and one was just out of his reach. I am not sure where the lack of effort comment is coming from.

 

He outraced two veteran cornerbacks. He's a legitimate deep threat that will have to be accounted for. We need to have at least one on the roster.

 

I am encouraged that he was able to get so far behind the defenders. Get the timing down and Allen to Foster could be deadly.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Sky Diver

[JimKellyTryouts]

In defense of Foster, he did show that he could break open for a large majority of the game.

 

The drop on the curl is 100% on him, as is him stopping the run on the offsides penalty. Allen pointed the finger at himself for throwing an out instead of a comeback on another play, and his first deep ball was off, too. Allen also locked into Proehl on the play that should have yielded a flag, but Foster looked to be wide open over the middle from the replay angles. 

 

I'm sure everything we're saying here in regards to concentration and effort will be stressed more than enough from Daboll and Robiskie. He has a huge opportunity to rebound from this all the way until the fourth game wraps up. I'd be shocked and pissed if we cut him anytime soon without the chance to redeem himself.