Bills' 2018 Training Camp Practice Day 10 - Closed to the Public

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I dunno about this Allen kid.  As far as I've seen reported, he hasn't even hit the Hospitality tent once this TC

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I dunno about this Allen kid.  As far as I've seen reported, he hasn't even hit the Hospitality tent once this TC

 

Maybe he hasn't but he did break LaConjecture's leg causing an amputation. 

[CowboyBill]

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

[Heitz]

38 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

3 things to know from Day 10 at Bills camp

 

1 - Corey Coleman on his way

2 - Allen shows off accuracy

3 - Red zone defense stout

 

Bills Minute: Bills Acquire Corey Coleman (1:03)

Bills acquire former 1st rd pick, WR Corey Coleman, from Cleveland in exchange for a 7th round pick in 2020. The addition of Coleman amplifies an already heated battle for roster spots at the WR position.

 

 

Did they misspell "acne" or, like, "acura" in that second bullet!?

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree on your great points....only part I'm not sure of is Allen showing he's the best of the three...with the OL in the state of flux/development, same for WR corp (and NOT because of the yipsters and "worst in the league" crap; try a BRAND NEW word in their vocabulary: DOWNFIELD) as well as the running game behind Shady and blocking abilities.......not sure if McD may want to see some of those questions answered (NOT to say McCarron and/or Peterman are guinea pigs) before starting Josh, hopefully THE long sought after franchise QB.....have NO idea which way Coach would lean....

I think its pretty simple.  Best man plays.  Best man is determined by all aspects of the game. QB play calling, reads, audibles, execution, leadership.   Whose the best?  

 

Allen isn't yet.  As Beane said, let's see what he does in his first game.  If he shines, he moves up. If he doesnt, he scratches and claws for more time.  Same as any other position. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Shaw66

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

Nice hair Kim!

 

8-6: Kim Jones from NFL Network on One Bills Live 13:46

Edited August 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[billsbackto81]

Everyone's ready to take the new toy out for a drive, but even new toys need a break in period.

 

McBeane have a tentative plan in place and it involves bringing Allen along SLOWLY. The fact that he has yet to lead the first team this far in pretty much gives you a clue of their intentions. I know they said early on that it's an open competition but that appears to be BS. Starting a raw project like Allen pretty much assures us a losing season. That would be so unfair to those players and fans who want to continue playoff aspirations after last season and deserve the best QB out there. At this point it doesn't look like Allen, but to be fair he hasn't really had a chance to roll with the 1's.

 

Now if the team craps the bed and come out 0-6 (very possible) then I can see getting the kid some real time experience. But if they come out let's say 4-2, there's no way he sees the field barring injury. And that's a good thing in my eyes at least. 

 

This is only my opinion and I obviously have no insider knowledge of what the brain trust plan for the season. Oh, and SCREW BILLICK! He's been defecating on this team ever since he was passed up for HC.

[26CornerBlitz]

From the Athletic - Matthew Fairburn's Day 10 Report:

 

Bills practice observations: Nathan Peterman is gaining...

 

PITTSFORD, N.Y. — It was around this time a year ago when Nathan Peterman started to turn a corner during training camp. He went on to have a strong preseason and cement himself as the Buffalo Bills’ backup quarterback.

 

With ten practices down at St. John Fisher College this year, Peterman is making similar strides. On Monday, he went 8-for-10 passing during team drills after completing his first six passes to start the day. This all came while Peterman was working with the first-team offense.

 

Yes, Peterman’s limitations are still there. When asked to make throws that require more velocity, Peterman either doesn’t get the ball to the target quickly enough or his throw is off target. But Peterman is starting to show better timing with his receivers. He hit Kelvin Benjamin for a pair of completions in the first set of team drills and has shown a nice rapport with the Bills’ No. 1 receiver.

 

With Peterman and AJ McCarron alternating days with the first-team offense, the Bills’ quarterback competition is looking more and more like a two-man race. Preseason games can change all of that, though. On Thursday, the Bills will host the Carolina Panthers for their first exhibition game, and that game could provide more intel on where these quarterbacks stand than any of these practices have.

 

If the last few days are any indication, though, Peterman isn’t out of this race yet. Here’s what else we learned at day ten of Bills training camp.

 

Josh Allen is stuck

Another strong day for Shaq Lawson

Wide receivers starting to take shape

Ryan Groy gets time at guard

Injury roundup

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

I am at the persuasion that Peterman is going to be our starter if it isn't Allen. He has shown more than AJM with his quicker release and less confusion and the ability to read the field more  than AJM. AJN seems to be a reiteration of  Captain Checkdown......

...maybe that and a combination of drew bledsack...

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think so too.  If the D can keep us in it, AJM has just enough ability to sneak up on a team

The same as it ever was.

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, CowboyBill said:

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

This quote is blowing my mind.  

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Everyone's ready to take the new toy out for a drive, but even new toys need a break in period.

 

McBeane have a tentative plan in place and it involves bringing Allen along SLOWLY. The fact that he has yet to lead the first team this far in pretty much gives you a clue of their intentions. I know they said early on that it's an open competition but that appears to be BS. Starting a raw project like Allen pretty much assures us a losing season. That would be so unfair to those players and fans who want to continue playoff aspirations after last season and deserve the best QB out there. At this point it doesn't look like Allen, but to be fair he hasn't really had a chance to roll with the 1's.

 

Now if the team craps the bed and come out 0-6 (very possible) then I can see getting the kid some real time experience. But if they come out let's say 4-2, there's no way he sees the field barring injury. And that's a good thing in my eyes at least. 

 

This is only my opinion and I obviously have no insider knowledge of what the brain trust plan for the season. Oh, and SCREW BILLICK! He's been defecating on this team ever since he was passed up for HC.

Beane explained what they're doing a week or ten days ago. He said Allen would get third team reps until the first preseason game. After that, he would get better reps or not, depending on what he showed in the first preseason game. 

 

It isn't about bringing him along slowly. He will get a chance to show what he can do, and he will move up or not. 

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, CowboyBill said:

Everybody wants perfection from Allen, but he’s making throws that these receivers have never before seen or thought possible. They also need some time to figure out how to catch his passes. It’s possible they give up on a route because no other QB they’ve played with was able to make the throw necessary where they are on the field. Once they figure it out though, they could be dangerous. This is why he needs time with the 1s. They’ve got to figure him out too. 

This is a good point.  Always happens with strong throwers. 

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

As Brian Billick just said on the NFL Channel, if you draft a guy no. 7 overall, you play him. If you have to sit him because he's not ready yet, you made a bad pick. That's what I said when they first drafted Allen. 

 

Play him. Give him a strong running game and bring him along slowly, but PLAY HIM. If Joe Flacco started out of the gate as a No. 17 pick, if Russell Wilson played as a 3rd round draft pick, then Josh Allen better step up and be the starter on day 1.

 

Why start AJ or Petyerman if you're just going to go to Allen after game 4? So, what? You're hoping one of the other guys fails so Allen can get his shot? That's moronic. 

 

PLAY JOSH ALLEN and let's see what we've got. 

There are recent examples of first round QBs who didn't immediately start, who nonetheless ended up being quality players. 

 

Would it terribly upset you if the team trotted out a different QB to face the road gauntlet of their first half schedule, before giving way to Allen at some point midseason?

6 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

If he's ready, start Josh Allen. And by all reports, he's at least as ready as the other two guys. 

I agree with the first half of your sentence. 

 

The second half needs more examination. Preseason games will certainly help fill in some of the blanks. 

 

I have a strong suspicion that McDermott is just too dang methodical to let it rip with the rook at the start of the season.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

16 hours ago, chris heff said:

Yeah Orton was great, remember that play when he slid three yards short of a first down and nobody was within ten yards of him.

 

hopefully we can trade McCarron for some firsts.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Nice hair Kim!

 

8-6: Kim Jones from NFL Network on One Bills Live 13:46

 

I thought Katty Perry brought the Cantaloupes !!

 

 

[Fr. Jerk]

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Beane explained what they're doing a week or ten days ago. He said Allen would get third team reps until the first preseason game. After that, he would get better reps or not, depending on what he showed in the first preseason game. 

 

It isn't about bringing him along slowly. He will get a chance to show what he can do, and he will move up or not. 

I also recall that as well. What I'm trying to say Shaw is that I feel it was never their intention to have him in the running for starter though they said it was open comp. I guess the real question to ask is, up to this point do you believe Allen has been given an actual and fair chance to compete for the starting QB position?  Preseason starts Thursday and the season opener is Sept 9th.  The starter will most likely be named before the last preseason game on the 30th if not sooner. McD has done some head scratching stuff to this point but I don't think Josh with his body of work so far will merit enough to be the starter come opening day and if he's not the starter then to me by definition he's being brought along slowly.  Even if he shows extreme promise in the preseason I don't think it'll be enough to start.

[eball]

18 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

I also recall that as well. What I'm trying to say Shaw is that I feel it was never their intention to have him in the running for starter though they said it was open comp. I guess the real question to ask is, up to this point do you believe Allen has been given an actual and fair chance to compete for the starting QB position?  Preseason starts Thursday and the season opener is Sept 9th.  The starter will most likely be named before the last preseason game on the 30th if not sooner. McD has done some head scratching stuff to this point but I don't think Josh with his body of work so far will merit enough to be the starter come opening day and if he's not the starter then to me by definition he's being brought along slowly.  Even if he shows extreme promise in the preseason I don't think it'll be enough to start.

 

What we don't know is how the coaches -- not media members and fans -- have evaluated how all three QBs are doing thus far through camp.  To the media Peterman completes a short swing pass -- perhaps to the coaches he missed a big play down the field.  To a fan at camp Allen threw a pass at the receiver's feet -- perhaps to the coaches he saw a closing DB and was really throwing it away.  We just don't know.

 

I think the splitting of reps thus far is a matter of protecting Allen to a certain extent.  They know he's the 7th pick, and they know he's under intense scrutiny.  By naming him #3 from the get-go they've shielded him during the early part of TC, while legitimately giving AJM and NP a shot to prove their worth.

 

I feel as though you have to take Beane and McD at their word for the time being; after the first preseason game reps will start to be adjusted, and either Allen will have earned more of an opportunity or not.  I don't think it's fair to say he's out of the running to be the opening day starter.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I am very firmly in the camp of "start Allen when you think he is ready and not a moment before". All QBs have their warts rookie year. Carson Wentz had plenty of them before going on to being an MVP candidate in 2018. I think he easily has the most talent, but there is no point in just throwing him out there.
 

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Maybe he hasn't but he did break LaConjecture's leg causing an amputation. 

He should know better. Go for the thumbs, the thumbs!!!