Urban Meyer suspended for 3 games

[YoloinOhio]

Needs it’s own thread

 

 

Zach Smith wasn’t even a good coach. Worst guy on the staff.

Edited August 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Willyville Guy]

Are there any examples of a head coach going on administrative leave pending an independent investigation and then coming back?  I can’t think of any. It’s over IMO.  

[Buffalo716]

Urban is outtie

 

 

[Augie]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Urban is outtie

 

 

 

The vast majority of people are innies, I think. 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Needs it’s own thread

 

 

Zach Smith wasn’t even a good coach. Worst guy on the staff.

 

On the road today listening to far too much talk radio. One show reported he said they couldn’t fire him, because he would take the whole staff down. Nice guy! Domestic violence (allegedly), and blackmails his employers? Had a little family clout was well. Super! 

 

Remember, the crime may be bad, but the coverup (or senseless lie) can be far, far worse.

 

[Mr_Robotulism]

See ya scum.

 

Can we just kick out the Big 10 East Division out of NCAA athletics, sexual abuse scandals at Penn St. and Michigan St. and DV cover-up at Ohio St. 

[bbb]

54 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

Are there any examples of a head coach going on administrative leave pending an independent investigation and then coming back?  I can’t think of any. It’s over IMO.  

 

Maybe Sean Miller - Arizona hoops coach..............He came back after a game or two.  But, I think he's still being investigated.

[cle23]

This is what will ultimately take him down.

 

 

"Also, as an Ohio State employee who supervises others, Meyer is required by the university's sexual misconduct policy to report knowledge of domestic abuse by a university employee. According to the policy, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."

 

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24258253/ohio-state-buckeyes-places-urban-meyer-administrative-leave

[par73]

Obviously, Smith should have been fired in '09. What I don't understand is, why has this gone on for a decade with nothing being done (he was arrested in '09)? Why didn't the victim or her family take some action to get out of the situation (I know it is a complicated issue)? Has Smith even been officially charged with a crime (he recently was arrested for trespassing)? Instead of sending pictures to Meyer's wife, the victim needed to contact authorities (law enforcement, lawyer, counselor).

Edited August 2, 2018 by par73

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, par73 said:

Obviously, Smith should have been fired in '09. What I don't understand is, why has this gone on for a decade with nothing being done (he was arrested in '09)? Why didn't the victim or her family take some action to get out of the situation (I know it is a complicated issue)? Has Smith even been officially charged with a crime (he recently was arrested for trespassing)? Instead of sending pictures to Meyer's wife, the victim needed to contact authorities (law enforcement, lawyer, counselor).

The alleged victim said that she didn’t want him to get fired because she needed his income 

[boyst]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Urban is outtie

 

 

Congrats society!  Allegations over facts!  Hysteria from the outfield idiots takes another down!

 

If he's gone than we have truly continued to devolve another step down in society.

 

Disirregardless of it happening or not there is no proof, no charges, no factual basis.

 

God damn pussification.

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Mr_Robotulism said:

See ya scum.

 

Can we just kick out the Big 10 East Division out of NCAA athletics, sexual abuse scandals at Penn St. and Michigan St. and DV cover-up at Ohio St. 

What a mature reply.

 

...Jesus, it's like simple common thought and values provided by our country have gone by the wayside infringing on a mob like mentality of dotards who believe it is just to have an emotional reaction superceding precedence and due process.

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The alleged victim said that she didn’t want him to get fired because she needed his income 

This is not uncommon. I am not a fan of Meyer and do not in any way condone nor excuse domestic violence but this is a bad situation for all involved.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

This is extremely well-written

 

 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Congrats society!  Allegations over facts!  Hysteria from the outfield idiots takes another down!

 

If he's gone than we have truly continued to devolve another step down in society.

 

Disirregardless of it happening or not there is no proof, no charges, no factual basis.

 

God damn pussification.

He is not fired. He's placed on administrative leave until the facts come out. How else are you going to do it? If it comes out that he knew about the assaults and didn't take action then he should be held accountable. There is nothing inappropriate of placing someone on an administrative leave while an investigation is being conducted. So I don't know what you find so objectionable with what is going on. 

 

This isn't a complicated case for Urban. If it is brought to his attention that a coach with a history of domestic violence is again accused of domestic violence then Urban, who runs the football program, is obligated to take some action. He doesn't have to summarily fire the coach but he could/should suspend the coach until he finds out what happened. 

[Bill from NYC]

26 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He is not fired. He's placed on administrative leave until the facts come out. How else are you going to do it? If it comes out that he knew about the assaults and didn't take action then he should be held accountable. There is nothing inappropriate of placing someone on an administrative leave while an investigation is being conducted. So I don't know what you find so objectionable with what is going on. 

 

This isn't a complicated case for Urban. If it is brought to his attention that a coach with a history of domestic violence is again accused of domestic violence then Urban, who runs the football program, is obligated to take some action. He doesn't have to summarily fire the coach but he could/should suspend the coach until he finds out what happened. 

John, do you think that coaches should be mandated to call the police for domestic violence allegations? I am going back and forth with this and would need more facts to arrive at a conclusion, for instance; was the woman injured?

Either way, this is less sickening than what happened at Penn State. It's bad but no comparison.

[boyst]

45 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He is not fired. He's placed on administrative leave until the facts come out. How else are you going to do it? If it comes out that he knew about the assaults and didn't take action then he should be held accountable. There is nothing inappropriate of placing someone on an administrative leave while an investigation is being conducted. So I don't know what you find so objectionable with what is going on. 

 

This isn't a complicated case for Urban. If it is brought to his attention that a coach with a history of domestic violence is again accused of domestic violence then Urban, who runs the football program, is obligated to take some action. He doesn't have to summarily fire the coach but he could/should suspend the coach until he finds out what happened. 

When is the last time you beat your wife?

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

When is the last time you beat your wife?

???

[boyst]

15 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

John, do you think that coaches should be mandated to call the police for domestic violence allegations? I am going back and forth with this and would need more facts to arrive at a conclusion, for instance; was the woman injured?

Either way, this is less sickening than what happened at Penn State. It's bad but no comparison.

In some cases, educators are required to notify authorities. Many officers/officials in SS that I've spoke to said they chase down BS more than half the time because a simple allegation sprung out of hand. What started as a student complaining he was grounded from his Xbox and had his controller taken becomes he had cigarettes extinguished on his arm and beaten with a cord.

 

I know you can probably weigh in on this, but simple allegations can be as frivolous as anyone can dream. It doesn't mean they should not be looked in to but the proper channels must be taken to produce results.  If Meyer simply shrugged it off and walked away, that's bad juju. If he said "prove it" than it is still bad juju but still legally appropriate.  If he said "wtf are you telling my wife for, keep your family squabbles to yourself and don't be a drama queen" than I'd say he did exactly what he should...

Just now, Bill from NYC said:

???

The old allegation game where if you throw out an allegation, no matter how ridiculous that it can be leveraged against someone unfairly.

 

The allegation is strong. The proof is unknown. Yet, urban Meyer was placed in a position of having a loaded unjustified premise to which was outside the parameters of reason.

 

If you take anything, any circumstance and frame it in a manner which suits the conclusion before the evidence and expirement you will find 9 times of 10 the expected results you wanted.

 

Being the allegation is all it took and the public eye is so damning as persecution is bigger than prosecution in our current society than Ur an Meyer is already guilty.  He will likely be fired or have to do a lot of hail Marys for forgiveness.

[Willyville Guy]

56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is extremely well-written

 

 

 

This is well written and pretty much in line with my views.  Dan Wetzel, on the other hand, is doing a poor job covering this story.  He appeared to be unaware of the Earl Bruce connection yesterday, and today he's harping on Title IX and the OSU sexual misconduct policy even though everyone who has dug into those documents agrees they are inapplicable.

 

The more I think about promoting Day over Schiano or Wilson, the more it makes sense and indicates that Ohio State is taking a long view of a future without Urban.  

[cle23]

3 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

 

This is well written and pretty much in line with my views.  Dan Wetzel, on the other hand, is doing a poor job covering this story.  He appeared to be unaware of the Earl Bruce connection yesterday, and today he's harping on Title IX and the OSU sexual misconduct policy even though everyone who has dug into those documents agrees they are inapplicable.

 

The more I think about promoting Day over Schiano or Wilson, the more it makes sense and indicates that Ohio State is taking a long view of a future without Urban.  

I think promoting day had more to do is schiano's involvement and ties to the Penn State program when the issues were there, and Wilson's issues at Indiana.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, cle23 said:

I think promoting day had more to do is schiano's involvement and ties to the Penn State program when the issues were there, and Wilson's issues at Indiana.

I think it’s both. And that urban likely recommended Day. He’s viewed as a Tom Herman type. To be frank, urban is more of a CEO of this program. He’s isn’t that involved in the day to day coaching. He is intimidating and not very nice. But he wins and people respect him professionally for what he can do for them. But do most players and assistant coaches like him? No. But their end game isn’t being his friend.

 

the QBs love Ryan Day. I don’t know about the rest of the team or how much they really know him yet . Vrabel tried to hire him  as the Titans OC last winter and that’s when Urban gave him a huge raise and new title of co-OC. It will be interesting to see how ready he is for the media onslaught t (he has availability tomorrow on 1st day of camp) but the fact is he doesnt have any “issues” surrounding him like the other two.

Edited August 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 10:47 AM, Boyst62 said:

  If he said "wtf are you telling my wife for, keep your family squabbles to yourself and don't be a drama queen" than I'd say he did exactly what he should...

 

You see, the above I disagree with. If he was told of a crime, he should have referred her to the police. Once again, I'm NOT comparing this to Penn State but when you see a crime or evidence of a crime, it is not up to Urban Meyer or Joe Paterno to investigate. I'm a huge fan of Nick Saban but I wouldn't want him to investigate criminal activity.

This is what the police are paid to do.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[Cynical]

 

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

You see, the above I disagree with. If he was told of a crime, he should have referred her to the police. Once again, I'm NOT comparing this to Penn State but when you see, or see evidence of a crime, it is not up to Urban Meyer or Joe Paterno to investigate. I'm a huge fan of Nick Saban but I wouldn't want him to investigate criminal activity.

This is what the police are paid to do.

 

It appears the police already knew something was going on from 2012-2015:

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/records_show_history_of_domest.html

 

However, if this is true:

"McMurphy’s reporting indicates that not only was Meyer’s wife Shelley intimately familiar with the accusations, but that Urban himself was copied on numerous text messages detailing the abuse."

 

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/8/2/17641818/ohio-state-football-urban-meyer-end-of-an-era-explained?utm_campaign=landgrantholyland&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

Then Meyer is screwed:

 

"Meyer is required by the university's sexual misconduct policy to report knowledge of domestic abuse by a university employee. According to the policy, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."

Meyer's original contract required him to promptly report any violations of university rules by assistant coaches to Gene Smith and the Office of Compliance Services. Failure to do so could result in termination with cause."

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24258253/ohio-state-buckeyes-place-urban-meyer-administrative-leave

 

So not only was it in the school policy, it was written in his contract. He did not have to call the police, all he had to do was report it to the higher ups.

 

 

 

[boyst]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You see, the above I disagree with. If he was told of a crime, he should have referred her to the police. Once again, I'm NOT comparing this to Penn State but when you see, or see evidence of a crime, it is not up to Urban Meyer or Joe Paterno to investigate. I'm a huge fan of Nick Saban but I wouldn't want him to investigate criminal activity.

This is what the police are paid to do.

He should, that's one approach. But, when he is wrong the knife cuts both ways and he would likely be in just as hot of water in the situation should it be proven bogus. 

[Mr_Robotulism]

He is gone and I love it. Human piece of garbage. 

[Willyville Guy]

1 hour ago, Cynical said:

It appears the police already knew something was going on from 2012-2015:

Agree. There are nine police reports. Courtney moved out in June 2015, sought a restraining order in October 2015, and filed for divorce in November 2015. Seems like that activity combined with Courtney saying that she told “all the coaches’ wives” about the abuse should have put people on notice. 

 

1 hour ago, Cynical said:

McMurphy’s reporting indicates that not only was Meyer’s wife Shelley intimately familiar with the accusations, but that Urban himself was copied on numerous text messages detailing the abuse."

 

None of the texts in the public record show that Urban was copied, and McMurphy said on SVP last night that he has no direct evidence of Urban’s knowledge. 

 

1 hour ago, Cynical said:

So not only was it in the school policy, it was written in his contract. He did not have to call the police, all he had to do was report it to the higher ups.

 

I don’t know if that’s correct. Kyle Lamb from Rivals said that the OSU sexual misconduct policy incorporated into Urban’s contract only applies to on-campus, university-sponsored events - not any incident of sexual misconduct anywhere in the world - and none of the alleged incidents occurred in that context. Also, another report says that the duty to report violations of the sexual misconduct policy had not yet been added to the contract back in 2015. So it’s unclear to me whether there has been a violation of school policy or the contract. 

[Sky Diver]

You should be looking at Saban’s staff for a replacement.

[dpberr]

I doubt he gets fired.  I think ultimately it comes down to whether he was forwarded texts or not, and even if he were, who says those texts are factual or present enough information to make an informed decision?

 

I don't see Urban's wife ratting him out and I can see any able attorney punching lots of holes into the "well he should have known from text messages!" claim.  

 

It'd be different if Urban saw domestic violence occur and did nothing or the guy was found guilty and he kept him on staff.  

 

    

[Willyville Guy]

16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

You should be looking at Saban’s staff for a replacement.

 

If the old man wants to come home for a few years to finish his career at Ohio State, I’d consider it ?

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

When is the last time you beat your wife?

WTF are you talking about? 

[YoloinOhio]

Practice now closed to media tomorrow which is probably for the best to let them focus 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

John, do you think that coaches should be mandated to call the police for domestic violence allegations? I am going back and forth with this and would need more facts to arrive at a conclusion, for instance; was the woman injured?

Either way, this is less sickening than what happened at Penn State. It's bad but no comparison.

In general I would say no. As you noted the degree of injuries would be a consideration in this case. If the victim sought medical attention the medical staff (I believe in most jurisdictions)  are required to report it to the police. In this case there is an absolute  minimum that should have happened: (assuming the reported facts are true) Meyer should have taken immediate action by sidelining the coach and reporting it to a higher authority such as the AD. In that way a further investigation of the facts could have sooner taken place. 

 

I'm not gratuitously or casually making a judgment here. Urban knew the family and he knew the grandfather, Bruce Earle, of the coach. So I'm not going to automatically harshly condemn him. But in this case (in my view) the onus is on Meyer to more officially handle this issue by at the reporting it to a higher authority. Meyer is paid a lot of money and he has plenty of clout in the athletic department. When you have almost unlimited authority you should be held responsible to take the appropriate action with your immediate staff i.e. the staff that he personally hired. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Willyville Guy said:

Agree. There are nine police reports. Courtney moved out in June 2015, sought a restraining order in October 2015, and filed for divorce in November 2015. Seems like that activity combined with Courtney saying that she told “all the coaches’ wives” about the abuse should have put people on notice. 

 

 

None of the texts in the public record show that Urban was copied, and McMurphy said on SVP last night that he has no direct evidence of Urban’s knowledge. 

 

 

I don’t know if that’s correct. Kyle Lamb from Rivals said that the OSU sexual misconduct policy incorporated into Urban’s contract only applies to on-campus, university-sponsored events - not any incident of sexual misconduct anywhere in the world - and none of the alleged incidents occurred in that context. Also, another report says that the duty to report violations of the sexual misconduct policy had not yet been added to the contract back in 2015. So it’s unclear to me whether there has been a violation of school policy or the contract. 

Yep, this is not a title IX issue.

 

 

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, Willyville Guy said:

 

If the old man wants to come home for a few years to finish his career at Ohio State, I’d consider it ?

 

Yeah, he played at Kent State.

 

I never had the impression that Meyer was a bad guy.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Sky Diver

[boyst]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

WTF are you talking about? 

It's a loaded question just like the situation with Urban Meyer. It's a load of horse poo.

3 hours ago, Mr_Robotulism said:

He is gone and I love it. Human piece of garbage. 

And, Ichigan fans. Immature, inbred, and lacking intelligence. ???

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It's a loaded question just like the situation with Urban Meyer. It's a load of horse poo.

 

The situation with Urban is not very complex. The contract he signed stipulates that he is required to report cases of domestic abuse. Did he abide by the terms of the contract that he signed? That's what the investigation is going to determine. Do you know who isn't complaining about him being placed on administrative leave? Urban Meyer. He said it is the right thing to do so the facts can be determined. You may be outraged at how the process is working but that's your problem. The process he agreed to is the process he is being subjected to. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, dpberr said:

I doubt he gets fired.  I think ultimately it comes down to whether he was forwarded texts or not, and even if he were, who says those texts are factual or present enough information to make an informed decision?

 

I don't see Urban's wife ratting him out and I can see any able attorney punching lots of holes into the "well he should have known from text messages!" claim.  

 

It'd be different if Urban saw domestic violence occur and did nothing or the guy was found guilty and he kept him on staff.  

 

    

It’s a situation where no one took action. Not her parents. Not his parents. Not the police. So except for the pictures, no evidence that it occurred. And no evidence it was him. Ohio is a mandatory arrest state. If they are called to a house and find evidence of abuse they make an arrest. It’s not up to the victim. She didn’t ever pursue charges and had the divorce records sealed as well, because - her words - she didn’t want him to lose his job because she needed the money. 

 

The most bizarre part of the story to me is that she told her parents and they told her not to do anything ... what? 

56 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The situation with Urban is not very complex. The contract he signed stipulates that he is required to report cases of domestic abuse. Did he abide by the terms of the contract that he signed? That's what the investigation is going to determine. Do you know who isn't complaining about him being placed on administrative leave? Urban Meyer. He said it is the right thing to do so the facts can be determined. You may be outraged at how the process is working but that's your problem. The process he agreed to is the process he is being subjected to. 

That’s a new addendum to a new contract he signed in April. They need to prove he didn’t live up to his contract he had signed at the time where he wasn’t bound by the title IX specification in 2015, if title IX even applies here, to fire him for cause. If he’s fired without cause it’s a 30+ mill buyout. 

[C.Biscuit97]

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[sullim4]

Project Veritas going after Urban...

 

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/08/02/an-unfair-game-urban-meyer-a-history-of-abuse/