Urban Meyer suspended for 3 games

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, sullim4 said:

Project Veritas going after Urban...

 

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/08/02/an-unfair-game-urban-meyer-a-history-of-abuse/

Saw that earlier. Looks like it was made by a 12 year old. All that still takes place today including the Vday massacre. Blame Mickey Marrotti but the recruits know it’s to get them mentally and physically tough. Yet they “miraculously” still arrive in droves.

 

tweet from josh Evans who was in the video:

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

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Nice catch - fixed 

Edited August 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[JohnC]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s a situation where no one took action. Not her parents. Not his parents. Not the police. So except for the pictures, no evidence that it occurred. And no evidence it was him. Ohio is a mandatory arrest state. If they are called to a house and find evidence of abuse they make an arrest. It’s not up to the victim. She didn’t ever pursue charges and had the divorce records sealed as well, because - her words - she didn’t want him to lose his job because she needed the money. 

 

The most bizarre part of the story to me is that she told her parents and they told her not to do anything ... what? 

That’s a new addendum to a new contract he signed in April. They need to prove he didn’t live up to his contract he had signed at the time where he wasn’t bound by the title IX specification in 2015, if title IX even applies here, to fire him for cause. If he’s fired without cause it’s a 30+ mill buyout. 

You didn't direct the domestic abuse law to me but it has become standard practice that if the police are called to a domestic abuse call and there appears to be an assault the police are required to make an arrest. If they don't and in the aftermath there is a followup assault the police who responded to the original call will have criminal liability. 

 

The woman who was abused reached out to a number of people including the wife of the HC coach and the wives of the assistant coaches. There was systemic abuse going on. From what I understand it went back to the Urban Florida stint. I also learned that Meyer's wife is a professor in the nursing department. Nurses are required, in many if not most jurisdictions, to report to the authorities when they suspect that a domestic abuse situation is involved with their patient. 

 

Whether the reporting clause in Urban's contract was in effect is in question. What isn't in question is that Urban and his wife were aware for a long time that this woman was being abused. He is saying otherwise. Without referring to the legal issue it is not unfair to say that he didn't live up to a basic moral code.  The victim is the wife. Many people didn't do right by her. 

[RaoulDuke79]

5 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

You should be looking at Saban’s staff for a replacement.

Give it 5 or so years, and the dirt will come out on that program too.

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Bandito said:

He reports it to the AD who technically is higher than him on the mandated reporter food chain. He didn't do that. In some states he could potentially be arrested for failing to report this to the proper people. Not sure what the laws state in OH about it though

No one knows yet whether he reported her claims from November 2014, told to Shelley, to the AD.   He said he was unaware of a 2015 arrest. That’s because Zach didn’t tell him and everything was sealed by Courtney. I’m quite sure he was aware of her claims. 

 

Btw Gene Smith is incompetent, oblivious, complicit or all of the above. He’s the worst. And that statement has nothing to do with this situation in particular  since we don’t have all the facts ... but everything to do with those that preceded it. 

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

You didn't direct the domestic abuse law to me but it has become standard practice that if the police are called to a domestic abuse call and there appears to be an assault the police are required to make an arrest. If they don't and in the aftermath there is a followup assault the police who responded to the original call will have criminal liability. 

 

The woman who was abused reached out to a number of people including the wife of the HC coach and the wives of the assistant coaches. There was systemic abuse going on. From what I understand it went back to the Urban Florida stint. I also learned that Meyer's wife is a professor in the nursing department. Nurses are required, in many if not most jurisdictions, to report to the authorities when they suspect that a domestic abuse situation is involved with their patient. 

 

Whether the reporting clause in Urban's contract was in effect is in question. What isn't in question is that Urban and his wife were aware for a long time that this woman was being abused. He is saying otherwise. Without referring to the legal issue it is not unfair to say that he didn't live up to a basic moral code.  The victim is the wife. Many people didn't do right by her. 

if police are called for domestic violence and the victim has any marks, state law requires that Smith be arrested immediately for 24 hours even if charges are not filed yet. No arrests. No one knows if she was abused and when, at this time.

[stony]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Give it 5 or so years, and the dirt will come out on that program too.

I hope so, but not likely.  

 

Saban's probably got the campus and local police on payroll.  At the state level, now we're talking about alumni.  State reps/senate prob all alumni too.  The good ole boy network is strong in Bama.  

 

Watch out for the governor, though....War Eagle.  

[RaoulDuke79]

52 minutes ago, stony said:

I hope so, but not likely.  

 

Saban's probably got the campus and local police on payroll.  At the state level, now we're talking about alumni.  State reps/senate prob all alumni too.  The good ole boy network is strong in Bama.  

 

Watch out for the governor, though....War Eagle.  

I'm a Hurricanes fan, so I'm all too familiar with shady business. To me, it seems like if a team is that dominant for a decent period of time (ie Hurricanes, Patriots, Jimmie Johnson NASCAR) or a team rises from obscurity to be really good (ie SMU/UNLV basketball, Baylor football), there's usually some shady **** going on. To be competitive at the top levels, every is toeing the line to get the upper hand. It's just a matter of how close to the line or how far over the line they are willing to go. 

Edited August 3, 2018 by RaoulDuke79

[Sky Diver]

Wow. This is pretty bad.

 

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/08/02/an-unfair-game-urban-meyer-a-history-of-abuse/

[Sky Diver]

Omarius Hines, torn quad muscles in each leg. 2009 article. Hmm.

 

https://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gators-football/day_11_brantleys_turn_to_step_it_up/

 

 

15 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Congrats society!  Allegations over facts!  Hysteria from the outfield idiots takes another down!

 

If he's gone than we have truly continued to devolve another step down in society.

 

Disirregardless of it happening or not there is no proof, no charges, no factual basis.

 

God damn pussification.

 

“Disirregardless”? You must be an OSU grad.

[Cynical]

3 hours ago, stony said:

I hope so, but not likely.  

 

Saban's probably got the campus and local police on payroll.  At the state level, now we're talking about alumni.  State reps/senate prob all alumni too.  The good ole boy network is strong in Bama.  

 

You forgot the local, state, and national news media.

The SEC. The NCAA. Every single officiating crew in all P5 conferences.

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

The BCS. The CFB Playoff Committee.

All the Sheriff departments in the state. The state police.

The FBI. The CIA. Homeland Security. The border patrol.

The Alabama National Guard.

The United States Navy:

 

 

3 hours ago, stony said:

Watch out for the governor, though....War Eagle.  

 

Pfft. She's already been flipped. You actually think she became governor without the consent of the REC?

Just don't tell the Barners, though. They still think she's part of the AU family.

 

Pro tip: The Illuminati is just a cover story for the REC.
 

[GunnerBill]

17 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

You see, the above I disagree with. If he was told of a crime, he should have referred her to the police. Once again, I'm NOT comparing this to Penn State but when you see, or see evidence of a crime, it is not up to Urban Meyer or Joe Paterno to investigate. I'm a huge fan of Nick Saban but I wouldn't want him to investigate criminal activity.

This is what the police are paid to do.

 

Totally correct. 

To me this feels like something that is the end of Urban at Ohio State, but is not the end of Urban as a college coach.  I think a settlement with Ohio State, a year off and he will reappear somewhere new.  

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Totally correct. 

To me this feels like something that is the end of Urban at Ohio State, but is not the end of Urban as a college coach.  I think a settlement with Ohio State, a year off and he will reappear somewhere new.  

I agree and btw, if the police really did have a history of 9 or 10 calls to the residence, it is my guess that the entire leadership of the school knew about it, or at least most of them.

And btw it's an educated guess, as a retired NYCPD Domestic Violence Unit Detective.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree and btw, if the police really did have a history of 9 or 10 calls to the residence, it is my guess that the entire leadership of the school knew about it, or at least most of them.

And btw it's an educated guess, as a retired NYCPD Domestic Violence Unit Detective.

They probably did know about her allegations, though they may not have known about the specific 2015 incident that Urban was asked about at B10 Media day, since there was no record until it was unsealed last week by Courtney, and he wasn’t arrested. The texts to Shelley were from 2014. If her allegations were in the hands of police... what was OSU  required to do to protect the exwife of the coach? I’m asking because I don’t know. She was not a student or staff member. They could have fired him sooner (without cause, other than the fact he’s an idiot and a bad WR coach) but that would not have protected her at all. If in fact the allegations  were true, which we don’t yet know, firing him would have likely made things worse for her. The whole thing is so crazy.

Edited August 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

 

Regardless, the “independent” committee isn’t really independent. It includes 3 members of tOSU Board of Trustees. One of the “outsiders” is 90 years old. 

[boyst]

9 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Omarius Hines, torn quad muscles in each leg. 2009 article. Hmm.

 

https://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gators-football/day_11_brantleys_turn_to_step_it_up/

 

 

 

“Disirregardless”? You must be an OSU grad.

Are you knew here?

[Big Turk]

So let me get this straight...the head coach is responsible and will lose his job but all the other people who also knew like both sets of parents, their friends, family etc knew but they can keep their jobs? Are they going to walk in tomorrow and be called into the office and fired? Nope. Why? Because the media aren't gunning for them and its not a story because they are effectively nobody's.

 

Seems like an amazing and ludicrous double standard going on in America these days. Not reporting a crime now becomes worse than actually committing one.  What the hell has happened to this country  and common sense.

Edited August 3, 2018 by matter2003

[KD in CA]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Saw that earlier. Looks like it was made by a 12 year old. All that still takes place today including the Vday massacre. Blame Mickey Marrotti but the recruits know it’s to get them mentally and physically tough. Yet they “miraculously” still arrive in droves.

 

tweet from josh Evans who was in the video:

Nice catch - fixed 

 

Translation:  Even though I spoke my mind freely and openly on the tape, I realize that appearing to criticize a coach and his training regime will be bad for my lockerroom rep and career so I'm attempting to deny my own words by making some vague, meaningless legal threat.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They probably did know about her allegations, though they may not have known about the specific 2015 incident that Urban was asked about at B10 Media day, since there was no record until it was unsealed last week by Courtney, and he wasn’t arrested. The texts to Shelley were from 2014. If her allegations were in the hands of police... what was OSU  required to do to protect the exwife of the coach? I’m asking because I don’t know. She was not a student or staff member. They could have fired him sooner (without cause, other than the fact he’s an idiot and a bad WR coach) but that would not have protected her at all. If in fact the allegations  were true, which we don’t yet know, firing him would have likely made things worse for her. The whole thing is so crazy.

That seems to be a pretty good summary.

 

Once again, I am guessing because I don't have all the facts, but my guess is that there are school officials that are pretty scared right now and would be perfectly content to let Urban take the fall for everyone.

 

[YoloinOhio]

Good explanation here from Pete Thamel on the legal and contractual issues in play and not in play -

https://sports.yahoo.com/whats-next-urban-meyer-ohio-state-7-questions-will-determine-coachs-fate-173936078.html

[row_33]

any serious grounds to believe he isn't finished from the game permanently?

 

(sigh...)

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

any serious grounds to believe he isn't finished from the game permanently?

 

(sigh...)

 

 

Considering we don’t know anything right now about what actually occurred, or didn’t occur, probably a bit premature to assume anything 

[Willyville Guy]

 

Not to make light of the ugly parts of this situation, but I have a dream that UFM walks into camp, gives this speech, and the team wins all its games 100-0.  

Edited August 3, 2018 by Willyville Guy

[row_33]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Considering we don’t know anything right now about what actually occurred, or didn’t occur, probably a bit premature to assume anything 

 

in this day and age?

 

tOSU came forward voluntarily a few years ago and was hit hard by the NC-2A

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

So let me get this straight...the head coach is responsible and will lose his job but all the other people who also knew like both sets of parents, their friends, family etc knew but they can keep their jobs? Are they going to walk in tomorrow and be called into the office and fired? Nope. Why? Because the media aren't gunning for them and its not a story because they are effectively nobody's.

 

Seems like an amazing and ludicrous double standard going on in America these days. Not reporting a crime now becomes worse than actually committing one.  What the hell has happened to this country  and common sense.

There is also the issue of not knowing if he actually did anything. Or what Urban did or not did know or did or did not report to the title IX office (which may have been protocol in a very narrow sense according to the sexual misconduct law, but NOT according to title IX itself which doesn’t apply to wives, ex wives, etc or anything off campus). The only thing he said he did not know about to the media was an incident from 2015 in which police were called to zach’s house and he was not arrested. That is because she had it all sealed, as she was trying to protect his income, and even the Columbus dispatch couldn’t find it. Only reason McMurphy had it is because Courtney gave it to him. Powell police still won’t release it because of the ongoing court case. 

 

It’s a very complicated scenario and not something that can be decided with the info currently out there.

Just now, row_33 said:

 

in this day and age?

 

tOSU came forward voluntarily a few years ago and was hit hard by the NC-2A

 

 

Yes, I think it will take more than what is known right now to ruin the career of urban Meyer. 

[iinii]

What is it with coaches like Meyer and Paterno and others sitting on their hands in these instances. Sorry, forgot all about hubris. 

[row_33]

16 minutes ago, iinii said:

What is it with coaches like Meyer and Paterno and others sitting on their hands in these instances. Sorry, forgot all about hubris. 

 

i'm not putting Meyer within a million miles of Paterno at this point in time.

 

Not sure about football culture since i left it 30 years, but anything sexual in the showers and locker room would be as acceptable as a handgun murder of 3, let alone with a child....

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Willyville Guy]

I sense the finger pointing is about to turn to Gene Smith. What a mess. 

Edited August 3, 2018 by Willyville Guy

[YoloinOhio]

Zach Smith going on ESPN at 6. Will be on 105.7 the Zone at 5:10. 

[YoloinOhio]

Zach on radio now.. denies any abuse. Says university knew of allegations and handled properly with authorities. Urban pulled him off recruiting trail in oct 2015 while they looked into it.

 

Zach said he thinks this should have stayed behind closed doors, nothing illegal happened and now his kids have to deal with it being out in the open.

 

he said they had a terrible marriage, he was a bad husband, things got aggressive on her end, he had to restrain her but  never committed domestic abuse. Says he does not know where the pics are from. Never stalked her. 

 

the Interview was incredibly candid 

Edited August 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Big Turk]

36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Zach on radio now.. denies any abuse. Says university knew of allegations and handled properly with authorities. Urban pulled him off recruiting trail in oct 2015 while they looked into it.

 

Zach said he thinks this should have stayed behind closed doors, nothing illegal happened and now his kids have to deal with it being out in the open.

 

he said they had a terrible marriage, he was a bad husband, things got aggressive on her end, he had to restrain her but  never committed domestic abuse. Says he does not know where the pics are from. Never stalked her. 

 

the Interview was incredibly candid 

Anyone who knows how angry women can act and what they are capable of towards those they hate should not discount this side of the story.  

[JohnC]

10 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree and btw, if the police really did have a history of 9 or 10 calls to the residence, it is my guess that the entire leadership of the school knew about it, or at least most of them.

And btw it's an educated guess, as a retired NYCPD Domestic Violence Unit Detective.

As a retired member of the NYCPD you have a longer perspective on domestic violence cases than most. The attitude toward domestic violence cases 25 years ago is dramatically different than it is now. In the old days these type of cases were often handled in an informal way where warnings and not official police actions were taken in these type of calls. Now, there is a strict protocol not only how the police handle the cases but also how the court system handles the cases. In most medium to large jurisdictions there are special police and court units that handle these cases. Times change and attitudes change. Similarly,  DWI cases were not always strictly handled 25 years ago. However, now DWI laws are usually strictly enforced. In the old days you might tell the drunk driver to park the car, take a walk and sober up. Certainly, that is not the case now. 

 

I'm not referring to the specifics of the OSU case because all the facts are not known. But what I do know is that usually schools and the work place have an established protocol that at the minimum requires a reporting of the abuse. In this case the timeline of knowing about the abuse is critical. It seems to me that the circle of people within the football program who had knowledge of the situation was fairly wide. 

 

When all is said and done the perspective that should prevail is what was in the best interest of the victim. With not all the facts at my disposal it is still easy for me to say that she was not treated right and she wasn't properly protected. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[YoloinOhio]

55 minutes ago, JohnC said:

As a retired member of the NYCPD you have a longer perspective on domestic violence cases than most. The attitude toward domestic violence cases 25 years ago is dramatically different than it is now. In the old days these type of cases were often handled in an informal way where warnings and not official police actions were taken in these type of calls. Now, there is a strict protocol not only how the police handle the cases but also how the court system handles the cases. In most medium to large jurisdictions there are special police and court units that handle these cases. Times change and attitudes change. Similarly,  DWI cases were not always strictly handled 25 years ago. However, now DWI laws are usually strictly enforced. In the old days you might tell the drunk driver to park the car, take a walk and sober up. Certainly, that is not the case now. 

 

I'm not referring to the specifics of the OSU case because all the facts are not known. But what I do know is that usually schools and the work place have an established protocol that at the minimum requires a reporting of the abuse. In this case the timeline of knowing about the abuse is critical. It seems to me that the circle of people within the football program who had knowledge of the situation was fairly wide. 

 

When all is said and done the perspective that should prevail is what was in the best interest of the victim. With not all the facts at my disposal it is still easy for me to say that she was not treated right and she wasn't properly protected. 

Correct, they all knew about the allegations. They allowed the police to handle those, obviously. If you believe he was guilty of abuse, it was the police who didn’t properly protect her the times that she called them.  I don’t know if he abused her or not. I thought he should have been fired for being a bad coach, but not for allegations that weren’t founded by the proper authority. He ultimately got fired for being too much of a distraction after he violated a restraining order and it was in the news. Tough to send him into a recruit’s home. That’s urb’s biggest  priority imo. 

Edited August 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Sky Diver]

Why are reporters asking Nick Saban and Kirby Smart about this?

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Correct, they all knew about the allegations. They allowed the police to handle those, obviously. If you believe he was guilty of abuse, it was the police who didn’t properly protect her the times that she called them. 

You have been following this case more closely than I. And it seems to me you have been very fair and balanced on this issue by not unfairly making assumptions and prematurely drawing conclusions. So I commend you on how fairly you have reported on this issue. 

 

I'm not going to comment on whether the police responded appropriately or not. I just don't have the facts on that matter. What I can say is when the police did respond if they didn't have any evidence of an abuse then there is nothing that they can do. Sometimes they will try to get one of the parties to leave the scene for a cooling of the volatile situation. But I don't see how they can order one of them to leave if there is no legal basis for it. 

 

Very often because a person such as Urban is such a high profile person there is a tendency to make assumptions and judgments before the facts are known. I'm going to wait before rushing to judgment. It might seem that I am being overly critical of Urban but in reality I am sympathetic to him because he knew and was close to the parties. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

You have been following this case more closely than I. And it seems to me you have been very fair and balanced on this issue by not unfairly making assumptions and prematurely drawing conclusions. So I commend you on how fairly you have reported on this issue. 

 

I'm not going to comment on whether the police responded appropriately or not. I just don't have the facts on that matter. What I can say is when the police did respond if they didn't have any evidence of an abuse then there is nothing that they can do. Sometimes they will try to get one of the parties to leave the scene for a cooling of the volatile situation. But I don't see how they can order one of them to leave if there is no legal basis for it. 

 

Very often because a person such as Urban is such a high profile person there is a tendency to make assumptions and judgments before the facts are known. I'm going to wait before rushing to judgment. It might seem that I am being overly critical of Urban but in reality I am sympathetic to him because he knew and was close to the parties. 

No I don’t see you being critical of him, I just think it’s important  to present the facts because yes,1) I’m following it extremely closely and 2) there is a LOT out there in social media and regular media that is not fact.

 

also note that I am one of his biggest critics. I’m a fan, yes, but not a homer. I constantly rant about him. I’m a fan of the team as a whole but there are coaches and players i criticize.  But it’s all about on field stuff. This is totally separate and logically I don’t think he should be fired based on what we know right now. 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

As a retired member of the NYCPD you have a longer perspective on domestic violence cases than most. The attitude toward domestic violence cases 25 years ago is dramatically different than it is now. In the old days these type of cases were often handled in an informal way where warnings and not official police actions were taken in these type of calls.

I am old, but I am not retired 25 years.  The big change in NYC came right after the OJ case. It has been pretty consistent since then; the biggest change since I left is that now virtually anyone can go to Family Court to seek an Order of Protection. The eligibility used to be limited but I won't go into specifics so as not to bore others.

 

This case is confusing because I am not there and don't even have a clear picture of what is happening now, or even why it is happening. Again, I do suspect that if there really were 9 or 10 calls from a specific person or even place, the school officials were well aware and would be happy to let Meyer take the fall but I don't pretend to know.