reddogblitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I love when people say stupid **** like this. Gets you so angry you say dumb ****. So you can only predict with accuracy who the Bills starting QB will be? Got it. Thanks. I'll get my stock picks from someone who can predict the WHOLE future, not just parts of it. I'm not mad, are you? I just think it's stupid **** when people make pronouncements about future events that are very much up in the air. You may think that, but stating it as a fact is stupid **** IMHO. Go BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: So you can only predict with accuracy who the Bills starting QB will be? Got it. Thanks. I'll get my stock picks from someone who can predict the WHOLE future, not just parts of it. I'm not mad, are you? I just think it's stupid **** when people make pronouncements about future events that are very much up in the air. You may think that, but stating it as a fact is stupid **** IMHO. Go BILLS !! **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: **** Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, White Linen said: I agree but just to take it step further, they do have proof of what Tyrod was. It's not unreasonable to think his production can be out matched - It's not unreasonable in the broad sense, but when you consider his total productivity (passing + running) there isn't any past history to suggest this from 2 of our 3 QB. I know that's not what folks want to hear, but it's keeping it real. 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: Allen will start week 1 Good to know. Care to mosey on over to Gunner Bill's thread and predict the rest of the 53 man, complete with depth chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not unreasonable in the broad sense, but when you consider his total productivity (passing + running) there isn't any past history to suggest this from 2 of our 3 QB. I know that's not what folks want to hear, but it's keeping it real. If you only measure productivity in terms of yardage, perhaps. Tyrod's performance in the area of point production was below average, and that's the statistic that needs to improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 What does race have do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: What does race have do with anything? Smartass. Always one in the crowd. Shadddup. (Love ya Diver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 hours ago, dneveu said: Best guy plays - it shows in practice/film study and the other players respect the decision of the best guy playing. Pretty simple. The coach isn't going to keep the best guy on the bench. Players want the best guy on the field. The players AND the coach will know in a few weeks. That's when we will know too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Pretty simple. The coach isn't going to keep the best guy on the bench. Players want the best guy on the field. The players AND the coach will know in a few weeks. That's when we will know too. Like Debol (sp) said......"this has a way of working itself out....it always does" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Pretty simple. The coach isn't going to keep the best guy on the bench. Players want the best guy on the field. The players AND the coach will know in a few weeks. That's when we will know too. That’s very true, but it’s not as simple as a basic math formula where a number pops up and you pick the largest digit. There are a lot of factors involved, and a lot of unknowns. I hope if Allen does start week one, he’s by FAR the obvious choice. If it’s close, I’m not sure I want him to break in against the defenses we face early. I’m not saying he can’t or shouldn't start early. Who knows at this point? I just hope we play it cautious. But hey, that’s just me.... But yes, the players and coaches want to do what gives us the best chance to WIN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The real questions that need encouraging answers are: 1) can he master the passes where he is inaccurate - the short passes, the dump-offs? A point guard in Bball has to hit the bunnies, a QB in the NFL has to hit the dump-offs and the 0-10 yd range 2) can he master the offense and read the defense well enough to make good decisions with the ball? People frustrated with Taylor's conservatism fail to remember how frustrated we all became when "Fitzmagic" (who unlike Edwards, would actually make reads and take shots downfield) became "Pickspatrick" because of his pattern to make bad decisions and throw picks at the worst time of the game. Those are questions I absolutely take into account. I was just commenting that it's encouraging to see that he hasn't tried to change what he already does well. I think, at best, Allen can be a hell of a QB but also a guy that's going to throw some picks and frustrate you a little bit. I know that after the first camp practice, a lot of people wanted to point out how poorly he missed on a dump off on his last throw of the day. He was on One Bills Live the next day and said that it was a play he had never run before and he got caught thinking too much. He said since the back was so close to him he wasn't sure if he should just kinda underhand pitch it to him or actually try to throw it. His arm didn't really get the message, hence the ball floated on him and it looked bad, but stuff like that's gonna happen. And yes, it was easy to become frustrated with Taylor. He certainly could hit the deep ball, but his issue was that he simply couldn't see the field well (partially because of his height) and that he's a "see it, throw it" passer as opposed to an anticipatory passer. Doesn't throw guys open, has to see them come open before he throws it. I saw a Browns camp highlight of him on Saturday. Landry ran a hell of a deep route, completely burned his guy, but had to slow up to catch the pass from Taylor because Taylor waits too long to throw it and then when he does, he doesn't always put it out in front. As for Fitz, ah, bless ol' Fitz, great dude, smart as hell... not the best arm, and that's his main drawback. He can make all the reads and adjustments you need but when it comes down to it he just doesn't have the juice to hit a 15-yard out to the opposite side of the field or hit a man in stride on a deep ball. A lot of his picks happen because he just doesn't have a lot of speed and velocity on his throws, that gives DBs more time/chances to break on his throws. And yes, he would toss picks at the worst possible time. I always felt like that was happening because he was simply trying to do too much. I think he has a bit of the gunslinger mentality and when it's late and his team is down, he's gonna try to take shots with the hopes that something good happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not unreasonable in the broad sense, but when you consider his total productivity (passing + running) there isn't any past history to suggest this from 2 of our 3 QB. I know that's not what folks want to hear, but it's keeping it real. Good to know. Care to mosey on over to Gunner Bill's thread and predict the rest of the 53 man, complete with depth chart? Total productivity passing + rushing ? when your passing offense is ranked 31st ( almost dead last ) in the league , bringing up his rushing numbers ( IMO ) is like putting lipstick ? on a pig ? !!! I guess people forgot how many games last year we only managed to score 3 points , including that miserable/pathetic performance in the playoff game !!! Is that keeping it REAL enough for you ? Edited July 30, 2018 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, Putin said: Total productivity passing + rushing ? when your passing offense is ranked 31st ( almost dead last ) in the league , bringing up his rushing numbers ( IMO ) is like putting lipstick ? on a pig ? !!! I guess people forgot how many games last year we only managed to score 3 points , including that miserable/pathetic performance in the playoff game !!! I saw some numbers scrawled on a wall in lipstick. The numbers were 12, 11, and 22. I wonder what they mean? Personally, I think people may forget the number "9" as well, while focusing on 3 3-point games and how things can't possibly get any worse, offensively 'cuz, 31 I hope they don't, but in fact, they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: That’s very true, but it’s not as simple as a basic math formula where a number pops up and you pick the largest digit. There are a lot of factors involved, and a lot of unknowns. I hope if Allen does start week one, he’s by FAR the obvious choice. If it’s close, I’m not sure I want him to break in against the defenses we face early. I’m not saying he can’t or shouldn't start early. Who knows at this point? I just hope we play it cautious. But hey, that’s just me.... But yes, the players and coaches want to do what gives us the best chance to WIN. ...could be an interesting call for McD....what if the QB competition is reasonably close between the 3?......let's say a real "toss up"?.......does he go conservative and have Allen sit behind whomever he chooses as the starter?.....OR.......does he start Allen, despite anticipating rook mistakes, for whatever reason?......stay tuned.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...could be an interesting call for McD....what if the QB competition is reasonably close between the 3?......let's say a real "toss up"?.......does he go conservative and have Allen sit behind whomever he chooses as the starter?.....OR.......does he start Allen, despite anticipating rook mistakes, for whatever reason?......stay tuned.... This is the conundrum isn't it ? and screw the fan base, what is the Right way to develop a QB long term. I am of the camp to let him watch how AJ handles the blitz. How he handles everyone covered. the mismatches. the blown coverages and the bad play call getting stuffed. The DT in his face and telling him about his momma each play. how fast these opposing defenses really are. how frustrating it is when your guy runs a poor route or drops a big gain/ or worst of all? when your RT is a turnstile and you know you are going to get killed. what does he say we comes back to the sideline after a failed 3rdand12. Do not want to hold him back. But preseason and camp are NOT real games. so Coaches are guessing ( educatedly so ) about what happens against guys who want each and everyone, want it as bad as your guys do. The Win . If they can afford to let him learn, i am all for it. Edited July 30, 2018 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: This is the conundrum isn't it ? and screw the fan base, what is the Right way to develop a QB long term. I am of the camp to let him watch how AJ handles the blitz. How he handles everyone covered. the mismatches. the blown coverages and the bad play call getting stuffed. The DT in his face and telling him about his momma each play. how fast these opposing defenses really are. how frustrating it is when your guy runs a poor route or drops a big gain/ or worst of all? when your RT is a turnstile and you know you are going to get killed. what does he say we comes back to the sideline after a failed 3rdand12. Do not want to hold him back. But preseason and camp are NOT real games. so Coaches are guessing ( educatedly so ) about what happens against guys who want each and everyone, want it as bad as your guys do. The Win . If they can afford to let him learn, i am all for it. ...I'm 142% in agreement, so perhaps we BOTH should take cover from the ensuing TBD "well wishers".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Smartass. Always one in the crowd. Shadddup. (Love ya Diver) Right back at you. ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: This is the conundrum isn't it ? and screw the fan base, what is the Right way to develop a QB long term. I am of the camp to let him watch how AJ handles the blitz. How he handles everyone covered. the mismatches. the blown coverages and the bad play call getting stuffed. The DT in his face and telling him about his momma each play. how fast these opposing defenses really are. how frustrating it is when your guy runs a poor route or drops a big gain/ or worst of all? when your RT is a turnstile and you know you are going to get killed. what does he say we comes back to the sideline after a failed 3rdand12. Do not want to hold him back. But preseason and camp are NOT real games. so Coaches are guessing ( educatedly so ) about what happens against guys who want each and everyone, want it as bad as your guys do. The Win . If they can afford to let him learn, i am all for it. The only thing I would say is Allen has had crappy line play his whole college career....so that would not be anything new for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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