White Linen Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Commonsense said: Yucky. Just good enough that you can’t really complain but not good enough where you’re excited paying him 30 million. If only he could trade in some of those stats for a bigger set of balls. Really, that's how you see Ryan? He seems like a pretty tough competitor to me with plenty of grind to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ramza86 said: His broken body should sell for less. Guy always gets hurt. I would have massive injury incentives in that deal. You can do that at other positions. Won't work with an elite QB. Edited May 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Best way to look at it. So after 5 years of work he got a 1.28% raise. Compared to his past contract against the team player budget. Can not look at it that way. Cap is a fluctuating animal based on NFL income and players still are only worth market rate based on play level, injury history, age, team cap space, etc etc.....at the time of the contract. If Matt Ryan played avg he would not have received a raise. Edited May 4, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just think about how easy the Bills front office has had it...not worrying about a franchise quarterback contract all these years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cba fan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be much less expensive to let Aaron play out his deal and then franchise him two years in a row. Would avg about 24 to 25 mill for next 4 years vs 32 mill a year in the redo. Of course Aaron will throw a fit that would make Dez and OBJ proud and that could maybe be untenable for Packers GM and front office due to connections Aaron has with the franchise. But this is a business and throwing unneeded millions at Aaron is not a smart business move as they have a weak roster for Super Bowl level and need upgrades. If Bellycheat hardballed Aaron everyone would say he is a genius. I would be inclined to hardball him a bit as he has not elevated the Packers to Super Bowl wins, has injury history, is getting old, he could easily drop off performance wise before his deal is up and Packers may not even want to franchise him in 3 years...... etc etc........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 3:36 PM, MAJBobby said: All that matters is the CAP against Percentage. 16.93% against an every rising cap is not big overpayments. I want to see a player negotiate a % against the cap contract ie gets a raise every year as the cap rises. That is when you are going to start seeing issues It is spot on with Matt Ryan. When Ryan signed his last contract it was in 2013 for 20.75 million per. Since then the cap has increased by 44.7%. Ryan's 2013 contract with a 44.7% raise is right at 30.0 million per year. I predicted the 30 million for Ryan back during the Cousins contract speculation threads. It was one of the reasons I said Cousins would sign for over 28 (adjusted Stafford $'s) and not be for 30 million. If these calculations hold up then Aaron Rodgers will be signed for over 31 million per. All these QB contracts that seem so high are just cap increase related. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 The money is going to get totally retarded but i guess if they are willing to give it they should be willing to take it if they didn't it would be foolish !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 How much?! -DAYUM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 If your really a team guy and want to win how do you negotiate that kind of a contract? I know money is what makes the world go around but tying up that much money into one player how can you actually build other team positions and needs. Maybe this is why Julio wants out he knows he can't get paid now! But I guess we will find out in 5 years when it's time to pony up for Allen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 1:06 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: He's slightly overrated IMHO but he is a very good QB and thats the price for the most important member of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I wonder how often these kind of deals for the QB's act as a de-motivator for other players. They might feel that if they are valued so much less maybe they shouldn't try quite so hard. When morale starts to slip, there is not a lot a QB can do about it, no matter how good he is. Of course on the other hand there are probably a lot of players (most?) who realize the best way for them to ensure getting paid as much as they can for as long as they can is to play really good ball. Doing so on a team that is consistently a winner is even better for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 16 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: It is spot on with Matt Ryan. When Ryan signed his last contract it was in 2013 for 20.75 million per. Since then the cap has increased by 44.7%. Ryan's 2013 contract with a 44.7% raise is right at 30.0 million per year. I predicted the 30 million for Ryan back during the Cousins contract speculation threads. It was one of the reasons I said Cousins would sign for over 28 (adjusted Stafford $'s) and not be for 30 million. If these calculations hold up then Aaron Rodgers will be signed for over 31 million per. All these QB contracts that seem so high are just cap increase related. Exactly. Percentage of the cap is really all that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 5:43 PM, njbuff said: I remember the days where Jim Kelly signed his original Bills contract......... It was 5 years at 7.5 - 8 million a year. And that was the richest contract in NFL history in 1986. My how times have changed in 32 years. That was the total, not the per year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 4:14 PM, papazoid said: when will NE pay Brady the going rate ? They always have .. under the table. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 There needs to be a cap on how much QBs can make. This is getting out of hand. This guy hasn't even won a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: That was the total, not the per year. Mistake on my part. I meant to say TOTAL. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Exactly. Percentage of the cap is really all that matters Josh Allen's 4 year contract is 21 million total. I think some teams are realizing the huge gap between rookie QB and even a journeyman type QB. More and more teams are trading up to get a rookie. You could make an argument that it is smarter to draft another QB in the 1st IF your rookie isn't looking as good as you hoped in 3 years. When a team pulls the trigger on resigning a QB they better be right or you end up with a "Tannehill" situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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