Dr. Who Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Yeah different levels of development I view Allen as a 2 year project and Darnold Mayfield Rosen ready in 1 year or less Rudolph may be ready early, Jackson will need a year or 2 Well, Darnold is my favorite, but it's unlikely we will have a shot at him. If Beane thinks Allen needs two years, I don't think he will be considered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, K-9 said: Just curious, what were the percentages for the other top 3 QBs? By my account Baker threw 53 balls at or behind the LoS out of 404 attempts good for about 13% i did not keep an exact tab on Rosen and Darnold because I did not feel it warranted it Allen was a complete question mark so I wanted very advanced metrics. Baker was in a gimmicky offense so I wanted to see how many screens he actually threw and Lamar was is in the same boat as Allen I have tons of metrics for Rosen and Darnold but not an exact # of passes behind or at LoS... With the #s i have I would estimate Rosen at around 18-20% and Darnold at 17-19% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Josh Allen I call the "White Cardale". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Man, that was painful to watch. I just don't see the "arm talent" I keep hearing about. I don't see a live arm, just a strong one on a so-so athlete... I mean, I might not know what I am talking about but I saw some great throws in that video that showed power and accuracy, especially given the fact that he had very little time to make the throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: By my account Baker threw 53 balls at or behind the LoS out of 404 attempts good for about 13% i did not keep an exact tab on Rosen and Darnold because I did not feel it warranted it Allen was a complete question mark so I wanted very advanced metrics. Baker was in a gimmicky offense so I wanted to see how many screens he actually threw and Lamar was is in the same boat as Allen I have tons of metrics for Rosen and Darnold but not an exact # of passes behind or at LoS... With the #s i have I would estimate Rosen at around 18-20% and Darnold at 17-19% Thanks. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I mean, I might not know what I am talking about but I saw some great throws in that video that showed power and accuracy, especially given the fact that he had very little time to make the throws. I don't see a natural "flick" of the wrist type throwing motion--where the revs on the ball are amazingly tight and it looks like its on a rope--that I see with elite NFL QBs. Allen's ball seems to push through the air, rather than aerodynamically cut through it. The QBs that can spin it seem to have the best accuracy as well. In other words, I saw more EJ Manuel, less Aaron Rogers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Josh Allen cut in front of me at a CVS. He's an entitled jerk-face. I almost judo-chopped him straight back to Wyoming but I restrained myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I like that it's 2018 and people are still using the term "tape." Half of you have probably never watched anything on tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said: There is some truth to this. This narrative being pushed that baker is the most accurate qb in the class is bogus. He is not more accurate than rosen. Baker throws a good ball yeah, but his % was def inflated by a lot of screens and quick flares. From what ive watched of allen thus far i dont think hes as innacurate as hes being made out to be This detailed breakdown that charted the success of every throw each QB made strongly disagrees with your assessment. Mayfield is the most accurate QB in the draft. Allen is the least accurate QB in the draft. https://d3d2maoophos6y.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2018/03/06171800/2018-Contextualized-Quarterbacking3.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Do they realize people who don't like Allen have watched a lot of tape on him too? Actually.... Probably, as a whole, not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 They should have talked about our pick Riley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, jrober38 said: This detailed breakdown that charted the success of every throw each QB made strongly disagrees with your assessment. Mayfield is the most accurate QB in the draft. Allen is the least accurate QB in the draft. https://d3d2maoophos6y.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2018/03/06171800/2018-Contextualized-Quarterbacking3.pdf I dont care. You cannot honestly tell me if you watch rosen and baker that baker is more accurate. Rosen played in a pro style offense. Baker played in a system where he made a lot of easy throws and extended handoffs. Georgia shut him down in the playoff game too when they pressed the corners and forced him to make tight throws. He did make tough throws too though. But he is not the same level of passer is rosen is. I dont care what statistic you throw out. Edited April 25, 2018 by BillsSbSoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: I dont care. You cannot honestly tell me if you watch rosen and baker that baker is more accurate. Rosen played in a pro style offense. Baker played in a system where he made a lot of easy throws and extended handoffs. Georgia shut him down in the playoff game too when they pressed the corners and forced him to make tight throws. He did make tough throws too though. But he is not the same level of passer is rosen is. I dont care what statistic you throw out. I agree. Rosen and Mayfield are the tops for accuracy. I favour Mayfield, but both of them have outstanding accuracy. This thread is about Josh Allen, and his QB coach making a bunch of excuses for why he's not a good passer. It doesn't matter how he spins it, Allen is one of the least accurate QBs in the draft, and guys like him have no history of going on to be successful in the NFL over the past 20 years. Edited April 25, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I think more than the distance and type of passes he threw, Allen was under pressure a lot more than others in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I have watched and broke down every single play from Allen’s career at Wyoming Palmer saying he doenst throw screens is a little bias. By my account he threw 49 passes out of 270 at or behind the line of scrimmage that is 18% and higher than Lamar Jackson at 15% You actually watched every single play of his?.......hardcore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 ALLEN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Da webster guy said: This morning on WGR they had Jordan Palmer on. Despite swearing to God I would never listen to one more word about the stupid draft until it's over, I found his take on Josh Allen very interesting. He said keep in mind that completion percentage is very different between certain players when you consider the offenses they played in. For example Baker Mayfield threw to wide open receivers on more than half his throws last year while Josh Allen's film showed his receivers had very little separation. He also said you should add 6 to 10 points on to the completion percentage of a quarterback who runs the type of offense that Allen did when compared to an offense like Mayfield's. His logic is that there are a lot of very high completion plays such as bubble screens, smokes, quick slants, even shovel passes that many other offenses run but Allen's didn't. These are easy throws that inflate stats. He went on to say that despite Josh Allen playing in junior college three years ago, the guy is mature and has a magnetic personality, great teammate and he was very high on him being successful in the NFL. He compared his personality to Fitzy. If we do end up taking the kid, I suggest you go play the clip of the interview on the GR website, it will keep you from walking into the lake. He hasn’t completed 60% of his passes since little league. I respect Palmer’s opinion but he is also trying to prop up his guy. Another borderline nfl qb and brother of a far more successful one, Tim Hasselbeck, said Allen would be his 4th qb. i hate bashing a college kid but what would you be willing to put more money on,Allen being a good or bad nfl qb? He was barely a good qb in the MWC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, twist_to_open said: You actually watched every single play of his?.......hardcore! I am fortunate enough to be employed in football so I watch tons of game film on college prospects i watched Every play on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, mayfield, Jackson and Mike White... i put my reports on them in The college football section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree. Rosen and Mayfield are the tops for accuracy. I favour Mayfield, but both of them have outstanding accuracy. This thread is about Josh Allen, and his QB coach making a bunch of excuses for why he's not a good passer. It doesn't matter how he spins it, Allen is one of the least accurate QBs in the draft, and guys like him have no history of going on to be successful in the NFL over the past 20 years. I agree with all that for the most part. But watching him i gotta say i dont think hes as horrendusly inaccurate as hes made out to be. For one thing his wr's couldnt seem to get separation a lot of the time. He wasnt exactly playing with a lot of talent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: I agree with all that for the most part. But watching him i gotta say i dont think hes as horrendusly inaccurate as hes made out to be. For one thing his wr's couldnt seem to get separation a lot of the time. He wasnt exactly playing with a lot of talent He wasn't playing against anyone with talent either. He played only 3 power conference teams and struggled against Mountain West competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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