Am I the only one? I'll take any of the top 6 QBs

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

If McBeane are sold  on Jackson, I would love to get him at 22 and allow us to get Roquan Smith at 12 or possibly trade up a few spots if we had to in order to get him.  But obviously QB is #1 and it all hinges on who they think they can be successful with.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

If McBeane are sold  on Jackson, I would love to get him at 22 and allow us to get Roquan Smith at 12 or possibly trade up a few spots if we had to in order to get him.  But obviously QB is #1 and it all hinges on who they think they can be successful with.

 

If they are sold on Jackson, they better take him at 12.  Drafting a LB 1st and waiting on him would be foolish when you put the appropriate value on the two positions. 

[TigerJ]

To be honest, I am both OK and apprehensive about all six possible first round QBs.  I'm OK with any one of them because I think they all have upside and could turn out to be good or better NFL QBs.  I'm apprehensive, because they all have flaws to their game (even Josh Rosen) that make them a risk.  There is no sure thing at QB in this draft.  I don't know that there ever is, but that is more true of this draft than in some.

[Sherman]

Since there is “no Luck or Wentz” in this draft and many pundits are on record as saying they are all flawed I’m happy with any of them. 

 

People argue for one quarterback and say their guy can be coached but the others can’t. At this point I’ve seen so many write ups on them I think the top 6 could all have good careers in the NFL. At the same point statistically and historically only two or three of the six will be any good. I think 1983 was the best when Elway, Eason, Blackledge, Kelly, O’Brien and Marino went in the first. If they had fan message boards back then how many people would rip apart Kelly for his shoulder issue or Marino for the drug rumors. 

 

Since I’m not an NFL scout I’ll hope that the Bills will finally get it right because they know a lot more than I do with how they want to build their team. 

[Chandler#81]

I don’t think you’re the only one, Rubes, but I don’t agree. Despite the insanity of this purported ‘Super QB Draft, I expect a few of the “premier choices” to crap the bed in the pros, making it a historic ‘Fools Gold Draft’. Especially so for all the underclassmen with <30 games starting. I’m sure there’ve been a couple through the years who eventually grew to be competent, but no where near enough of a history for accurate judgement or expectations. IMO, throw out all of them who are in need of serious technique adjustments and those whose accuracy issues are already suspect. These 3 historic Red Flags knock at least 4 of them out of the equation. With the ghosts of Sammy, Marcel, Darby & Cordy looming over our Draft Table, the Best bets, IMO, are Mayfield & Rudolph -with Rudolph fitting the ‘McBeane type’.

Then, just like Manuel & Losman, we can HOPE...

[skibum]

Excellent post, and very much needed in this time of insanity.

 

So much hyperanalysis over outcomes that nobody can predict at this stage of the game. Let's just pick a dude, develop him as best we can, and see how it works out. 

[Putin]

30 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

i would be okay with any one of them but the only one I would grab in the top 5 is Darnold and then picks 6-12 would be Allen, Rosen and Mayfield and I would wait to 22 to grab Jackson or Rudolph. 

Unfortunately i think will have to take one at 12 I don’t believe anyone of them will be there at 22 , 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

If McBeane are sold  on Jackson, I would love to get him at 22 and allow us to get Roquan Smith at 12 or possibly trade up a few spots if we had to in order to get him.  But obviously QB is #1 and it all hinges on who they think they can be successful with.

 

You'll be able to get someone who's better than Roquan Smith in next year's FA, but you may not get someone better than Jackson.

 

It's pretty straightforward - try like hell to get into top 5, if not take Jackson if he's there at 12.  If not, then cry. 

[Mark92]

I have felt this way all along.  I would prefer one of the top 4 but I think Lamar Jackson is going to be special.  I'm just too scared to take him.  

[Radar]

I would take any of them but depending on where we pick them. If we trade up I would limit it to Darnold or Mayfield.

 I would take Rosen at anywhere 8-12. I'm not ready to give up too much fir Rosen at this point but I'll trust Beane and company to make the decision. I'm about even on Allen or Rosen. The rest keep our picks and take one late in first or second round.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Radar

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, Rubes said:

Lots of strong opinions out there on the top 6 QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, and Rudolph), and I get that. Some people desperately want a certain guy, and cringe at the thought of us drafting others. Some would be ready to throw in the towel if we don't get one of the top 4, and would see this as a complete disaster if we end up with Jackson or Rudolph.

 

Am I the only one who would be excited to have any one of those 6 QBs?

 

Each has intriguing qualities and each has their weaknesses. Sure, a few of them stand out more than the others, but I think the potential ceilings of all of them are quite high. Jackson could be electric to watch (and I'm not in the camp that thinks he would be just another TT), Allen has all the tools, and Rudolph excels in many areas and could end up being an outstanding QB.

 

That's a lot of 'potential', but that's everyone in the draft, right? I just feel like any of those 6 could be a franchise QB, and all of them have features that would make them exciting to watch. Not trying to be a homer, I just don't think any of them strike me the same way that JP or EJ did when they were drafted.

 

This is a professional sports franchise not Poojer's PlentyOfFish account.  We need to have SOME discretion and not just be happy to have someone.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Jauronimo

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If they are sold on Jackson, they better take him at 12.  Drafting a LB 1st and waiting on him would be foolish when you put the appropriate value on the two positions. 

 

Yeah, I think you are probably right.  I am not a Jackson fan which is why I would hate to see them take him that high, I am firmly in the Rosen camp.  I do not think the Bills want Jackson, but if that is who they ultimately choose, I will fully support him and trust that they believe he has the skills to be successful.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

 

Yeah, I think you are probably right.  I am not a Jackson fan which is why I would hate to see them take him that high, I am firmly in the Rosen camp.  I do not think the Bills want Jackson, but if that is who they ultimately choose, I will fully support him and trust that they believe he has the skills to be successful.

 

I'm right there with you on Rosen.  I don't believe they are aiming for Jackson, but I see him as a nice fallback option if they can't get up high enough. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Rubes]

Pretty fascinating responses, thanks everyone. I'm not alone, I see! But the range of opinions is really interesting. Some say they'd only be happy with one of the top 4, but their top 4 is different than other people's. Some say they would despair with one particular guy, others say that's the guy they would target. Crazy!

 

I will push back against those suggesting what I'm saying is that I'd be "happy to have someone". Never did I say I'd be happy with anyone. Just any of those top 6. They all appear to have significant upside to me, and I'd be excited to see any of them in a Bills uni. There are plenty of other QBs in this draft besides those 6, and it's not like I'd be happy with any of them.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Rubes said:

Pretty fascinating responses, thanks everyone. I'm not alone, I see! But the range of opinions is really interesting. Some say they'd only be happy with one of the top 4, but their top 4 is different than other people's. Some say they would despair with one particular guy, others say that's the guy they would target. Crazy!

 

I will push back against those suggesting what I'm saying is that I'd be "happy to have someone". Never did I say I'd be happy with anyone. Just any of those top 6. They all appear to have significant upside to me, and I'd be excited to see any of them in a Bills uni. There are plenty of other QBs in this draft besides those 6, and it's not like I'd be happy with any of them.

 

 

I don't see much upside in Rudolph.  

[TheBrownBear]

I don't like Rudolph's arm.  I think he could be an okay mid-to-bottom-tier starter down the line, but I don't see him being a "franchise" guy.  Allen scares me too.  I could see him flopping badly, but I thought the same thing about Carson Wentz.  I like the other four guys though and would be happy to stay put and grab Jackson at 12.

[maryland-bills-fan]

I think there are 6 guys out there but I'm not going to consider 3 of them.

 

Darnold.................he will not be available except at #1 or #2 and we can not afford to trade up and take a franchise QB away from somebody who also wants him.

 

Allen..................played 2 years at Reedely Junior College, 2 years at a team in the 7th best conference.  QB rating of 6 against Colorado, and 30 against Iowa.  Smoked Gardner Webb 27-0.     Best victory last year was against #83 ranked Colorado State.   Did NOT play against top competition and had a low % completion rate.  Too much of a risk for the Bills.   Also, lets be real..  The coaching staff is NOT going to risk their careers on his "potential".

 

Mayfield..............He is six foot tall.  The only 6' QB's in the last ? 20 years that were franchise type were Russel (runs about 4.5, where Mayfield runs a DE type 4.8) and Breese  (very accurate, holds 5 of the 9 alltime 5000yard passing records).    Not accurate or fast enough to measure up to other 6' QB. I'll pass.

 

That leaves Rudoph,  Jackson and Rosen to go for in the #6? to #18 range.   It is a deep draft.  Use those first 3 round picks wisely.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

You are definitely entitled to that opinion, but I really can't understand how anyone could actually think this way. They are both so-so passers, Rudolph probably a bit better. They have terrible footwork. Jackson is a ridiculous athlete with great size. Rudolph has great size, but has small hands and limited arm strength. Both need lots of work, but the upside of Jackson, if you can develop him is exponentially higher than Rudolph. Rudolph's floor is something like Bryce Petty and his ceiling is probably something like Drew Stanton. Jackson's floor is "switch to another position," and his upside is a better Mike Vick. 

 

That is what I see. 

I just don't see Rudolph as that bad when I watch him.  You may be right, as I am not a professional scout.  However, I see a guy who looks like he could be a good starting NFL QB, without top arm strength.  Now, at least in my view, a lot of very good NFL QBs don't have rocket launchers.  I see Rudolph as having "adequate" arm strength not "weak".

 

I guess we'll find out over the next 2-3 years.

[LABILLBACKER]

most pundits feel half these 6 will bust. It's the job of our scouts and player personnel dept to weed out the bigger risk guys.  there is no doubt that all 6 qbs have their issues and strengths.  I still think Darnold and Mayfield are the strongest of the 6. Rosen in the middle with durability concerns and the other three I think have the strongest possibility of being busts. At this point, before all our heads explode, we have to just trust McDermott & Beane and the scouting Dept. that they will choose the right guy??????

[section122]

 

1 hour ago, eball said:

I'm going to trust that Beane/McD are getting the guy they believe in, who could be had for the best "price" in draft capital.  I'll wait and see before making any final judgment.

 

But you know all too well that many fans have already dug in their heels with respect to why one or another of these guys is "can't miss" or "guaranteed bust."  I'll never understand it, but it keeps things entertaining around here.

 

There are many people here who already have their minds made up before the draftees have even taken a practice snap.  Entertaining is certainly one word for it... 

 

To the op point I think all 6 of the top guys are easy to talk yourself into being the right one.  They all have positives and negatives.  I have favorites but will be happy and hopeful with whomever is drafted.

 

46 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I have felt this way all along.  I would prefer one of the top 4 but I think Lamar Jackson is going to be special.  I'm just too scared to take him.  

 

I was thinking about this last night.  Lamar Jackson is probably the scariest prospect both for your team to draft and for a team in your division to draft.  He could be a game changing mega star or he could be a huge bust.  If he continues to improve as a passer he will be electric.  If he doesn't he won't last in the league.  He did run the offense Dabol likes in college so this could be a great situation for him.  He should be there at 12 too and not cost any capital.

 

My doesn't matter ranking is Mayfield, Rosen, Jackson as my top 3 favorite guys for the Bills.  I'd like them the most but as op stated I can talk myself into liking any one of the top 6.