starrymessenger Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: This is the thing that blows my mind....if you are a team drafting a QB this year....I don't understand how you can like Allen and not like Jackson and vice versa. You either marvel at the physical attributes and don't worry about the completion pct, or decision making or you worry about the completion pct and don't care they are physical specimens. ....to like one and not the other makes no sense..they have similar concerns. Yeah, to me Allen and Jackson have the highest ceiling from amongst this year's QB class. They are both through the roof. All depends on your drafting philosophy. Do you hedge your bets or do you have the stones to swing for the fences knowing that you could be out of a job in two or three years (if you are GM). As between the two, Allen has the advantage of size and arm strength. I would be fine with either one at 12, but I don't see (absent a smokescreen) any interest in Lamar at OBD. I think they could take Allen though (except he will likely be off the board by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: That’s what I think too. I was far from a Tyrod fan but I will give him credit. Tyrod Taylor was probably the 3rd best running QB I have ever seen. If we were looking to get a QB in here with Jackson’s rushing ability, why did we trade Tyrod? If nothing else it would have made sense to keep Tyrod, draft Jackson and build an offense around a QBs ability to move. Then we would have 2 guys capable of running it and injury wouldn’t be a huge concern. I have never for a second thought we have any interest in Jackson. That seems pretty obvious to me. Right on I agree very good post. IMO if they are waiting at 12 to get what is left then a pocket QB is who they will pick because it is what we have heard them say. IMO if one of the top 3 are gone I think Rudolph or sadly even Allen(I like Rudolph more then Allen and IMO so does this staff) could be the pick at 12 just to make sure we do not lose out on one. A little bit of a reach for Rudolph but it will let us keep all of our draft picks while also having a decent QB prospect. Just for the record I want them to move up for Darnold,Rosen or Mayfield but would be fine with staying put and taking Rudolph at 12, waiting for 22 for him is a huge risk IMO. I also think if Jackson, Allen and Rudolph are all available around pick 20 other teams will go crazy to trade up to jump the Bills to steal the one they think the Bills will pick. Either move up more from 12 for your QB or just take the one you want that is left at 12 decreasing the risk of the big lose out completely waiting game at 22. IMO Jackson is not the guy for the Bills to pick anymore unless they kept Tyrod because the two of them would be a package to bridge a new era. If Cleveland was smarter since they have Tyrod they should trade down and then take Jackson mid first round to compliment the Tyrod trade while loading up on other positions to really make them a young powerhouse. Edit. If both Rudolph and Jackson are left at 12 and they decide to wait to take one by taking a top LB at 12 they could always trade up from 22 to grab one of them as well giving us pick 12 and maybe pick 15 or 14. Edited April 21, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Yeah, to me Allen and Jackson have the highest ceiling from amongst this year's QB class. They are both through the roof. All depends on your drafting philosophy. Do you hedge your bets or do you have the stones to swing for the fences knowing that you could be out of a job in two or three years (if you are GM). As between the two, Allen has the advantage of size and arm strength. I would be fine with either one at 12, but I don't see (absent a smokescreen) any interest in Lamar at OBD. I think they could take Allen though (except he will likely be off the board by then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 For the people who think he is run first Jackson has the second most throws to his second and third reads out of the top ten qbs in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: For the people who think he is run first Jackson has the second most throws to his second and third reads out of the top ten qbs in this draft. Yeah and this is why I think a Lamar smokescreen is still a possibility (though remote). Like Cam he has given indications that he can learn to execute from the pocket. He has shown improvement year over year. And if he is to develop as a pocket passer he would be better off doing that behind AJ rather than Tyrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Mango said: Serious question. Would you trade Darby, Glenn, and DeShaun Watson for Lamar Jackson, because that’s basically what we did if this happens The thought of that made me puke a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 8 hours ago, PIZ said: I'm worried that's Elway blowing smoke so a team like Buffalo doesn't go to 2 or 4 and take his QB. They all blow smoke this time of year. There is very little that you can take them at their word for currently. As to the topic I can see the Bills being shut out of the bidding for the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 8 hours ago, PIZ said: I'm worried that's Elway blowing smoke so a team like Buffalo doesn't go to 2 or 4 and take his QB. Yep. If Allen is there at 5 I have a hard time seeing Elway passing on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: For the people who think he is run first Jackson has the second most throws to his second and third reads out of the top ten qbs in this draft. Go look at Lamar in 2016 and you will see him running all over the place. 2017 they forced him stay in the pocket(lots of reports on this) to be more of a QB and teams playing him in 2017 had to respect his running because of 2016 so IMO they had a edge over teams thinking the kid will bail out and run in 2017 because of 2016. IMO he will revert back to running in the NFL when the heat is on and could easily get injuried by the big fast NFL players with that skrony lower half of Jacksons body. He also had a horrible WLscore that could prove he is going to be a problem when it comes to having a more complex system run by a OC again pushing another Tyrod comparison. Add in he has accuracy and footwork he needs to work on and he is Tyrod 2.0 coming out of college, like it or not the two are dominate runners that need a special Taylor made system that is not too complex for that low WL test score. IMO Cleveland should really consider drafting him since they will already have a simplified Taylor made running system being run with Tyrod so all QBs are on the same type of system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 10 hours ago, BigDingus said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-browns-start-qb-run-with-josh-allen-bills-take-lamar-jackson/amp/ All the top 4 QB's go in the first 5 picks, with only the Browns at #4 picking a non-QB with their 2nd selection. Then we're left at #12, and are probably desperate enough to grab a QB anyway, likely hoping he ends up pulling a DeShaun Watson. 12. Buffalo Bills (from Bengals) Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. After trading up from No. 21 to No. 12, the Bills stay put for their quarterback and take Jackson. There's no rush to get him on the field immediately; AJ McCarron will have a chance to earn the job in 2018, but if he flops, Jackson would get his opportunity to be the next face of the franchise. This would be worse than the Broncos taking Tebow at 25. Hell, it would be worse than the Bills drafting Maybin at 11. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Go look at Lamar in 2016 and you will see him running all over the place. 2017 they forced him stay in the pocket(lots of reports on this) to be more of a QB and teams playing him in 2017 had to respect his running because of 2016 so IMO they had a edge over teams thinking the kid will bail out and run in 2017 because of 2016. IMO he will revert back to running in the NFL when the heat is on and could easily get injuried by the big fast NFL players with that skrony lower half of Jacksons body. He also had a horrible WLscore that could prove he is going to be a problem when it comes to having a more complex system run by a OC again pushing another Tyrod comparison. Add in he has accuracy and footwork he needs to work on and he is Tyrod 2.0 coming out of college, like it or not the two are dominate runners that need a special Taylor made system that is not too complex for that low WL test score. IMO Cleveland should really consider drafting him since they will already have a simplified Taylor made running system being run with Tyrod so all QBs are on the same type of system. Hes a better prospect than Vick was and to compare him to tyrod is just dumb. Not even in the same universe. If a coach can use him correctly the kid can be a star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Mango said: Serious question. Would you trade Darby, Glenn, and DeShaun Watson for Lamar Jackson, because that’s basically what we did if this happens Jackson AND Tre' White if we're being honest, right? We DID get a 1st rounder in return for ours last year... Having said that, I'd grab a top MLB and get Rudolph later. Still like this better than trading the farm for one of a bunch of equally unknown prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Maybe the Giants take a QB Maybe the Broncos take a QB But i'd be surprised if they both did. Especially with how much noise Elway's making about trading down. Unfortunately, the Broncos did a kind of a Trumpy walk back on that one, putting out info (disinformation?) that they are still considering a QB if their guy is available, whoever that may be. About the only thing we're pretty sure of: they have shown no inclination to trade UP to get their guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Mango said: Serious question. Would you trade Darby, Glenn, and DeShaun Watson for Lamar Jackson, because that’s basically what we did if this happens Im not crazy about Jackson but you cant take this approach with any player. All youll do is cut off your nose to spite your face with that mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ublaw said: Assuming we don't move up, if Jackson and Rudolph are the only viable qbs still available at 12, I'm going D and hoping one is available at 22. I sure hope Beane's draft strategy of getting a QB does not consist of "hoping". If the QB is worthy of #22 then just take him at #12. Is anyone really going to fuss about overpaying by 12 picks if we end up with a franchise QB. If Beane thinks neither is worthy of being a first round pick then that is fine too. Edited April 21, 2018 by Sammy Watkins' Rib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Go look at Lamar in 2016 and you will see him running all over the place. 2017 they forced him stay in the pocket(lots of reports on this) to be more of a QB and teams playing him in 2017 had to respect his running because of 2016 so IMO they had a edge over teams thinking the kid will bail out and run in 2017 because of 2016. IMO he will revert back to running in the NFL when the heat is on and could easily get injuried by the big fast NFL players with that skrony lower half of Jacksons body. He also had a horrible WLscore that could prove he is going to be a problem when it comes to having a more complex system run by a OC again pushing another Tyrod comparison. Add in he has accuracy and footwork he needs to work on and he is Tyrod 2.0 coming out of college, like it or not the two are dominate runners that need a special Taylor made system that is not too complex for that low WL test score. IMO Cleveland should really consider drafting him since they will already have a simplified Taylor made running system being run with Tyrod so all QBs are on the same type of system. Holy christ. Comparing Lamar Jackson as a prospect to Tyrod Taylor in college. Lamar jackson won the !@#$ing heisman trophy and is 10x the prospect Tyrod was at this point. I know its hard to differentiate between two black athletes in that tiny little brain of yours. But please make an effort for the mental health of the rest of us. Realistically, Jackson’s floor is probably Tyrod’s current ceiling. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'd rather wait until round 2 and take Lauletta if this scenario plays out. 13 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Holy christ. Comparing Lamar Jackson as a prospect to Tyrod Taylor in college. Lamar jackson won the !@#$ing heisman trophy and is 10x the prospect Tyrod was at this point. I know its hard to differentiate between two black athletes in that tiny little brain of yours. But please make an effort for the mental health of the rest of us. Realistically, Jackson’s floor is probably Tyrod’s current ceiling. You are apart of the crowd that makes it impossible to criticize Jackson because you immediately label them a racist. Grow up and let freedom of opinion exist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I'd rather wait until round 2 and take Lauletta if this scenario plays out. You are apart of the crowd that makes it impossible to criticize Jackson because you immediately label them a racist. Grow up and let freedom of opinion exist. Im not calling him a racist. Dont put words in my mouth. Im calling him lazy. Compare Tyrod the prospect to Lamar Jackson the prospect. Its not close. Michae Vick, who was selected #1 overall would be a more appropriate comparison. Not Tyrody freaking Taylor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just remember - if the Pats jump up and take Lamar Jackson, he will be a star. If the Bills take him anywhere - he’s a bust. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Im not calling him a racist. Dont put words in my mouth. Im calling him lazy. Compare Tyrod the prospect to Lamar Jackson the prospect. Its not close. Michae Vick, who was selected #1 overall would be a more appropriate comparison. Not Tyrody freaking Taylor. Why did you compare him to another black QB? Kinda hypocritical. I would probably omit the black comment from your previous statement. Lamar is a FAST running QB. Please tell us what non-black fast running QB he should be compared to? Maybe Alex Smith... but that’s a stretch. I hate how some people try to find racism where there is none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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